Progressive Rock Music Forum : Why DO women like prog? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Progressive Rock Music Forum : Prog Music Lounge : Why DO women like prog? Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 20 May 2013 01:02:30 +0000 Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:29:23 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.69 360 www.progarchives.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=28789 Progressive Rock Music Forum http://www.progarchives.com/forum/css_styles/mac-prog/PAlogo_v2.gif http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by DellingerI'm... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484955#4484955 Author: rogerthat
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 20:29

Originally posted by Dellinger


I'm not sure I understand it myself very well, but there are songs that at first just don't tell me anything (emotionally), and they are just plain boring, or whatever. However, after repeated listenings, I start finding this and that, and suddenly I really like it, even find deep emotion in it... like perhaps "Starless", first I didn't understand it, now that violin intro (I'm talking about the live version, obviously) is so nostalgic and sad, that I can't think about it as anything but emotional (and beautiful)... of course, all the wacky part after the vocal part isn't quiet so emotional... but then comes the reprise of the main theme, with so much power, that I just can't understand how it could be anything but emotional.


Starless is an excellent example of blending emotions with 'musicality'.  But I have not found that kind of emotional resonance in many more long pieces.  The reprise, as you said, sounds powerful on Starless but it frequently ends up sounding cliched, as if that is some obligatory way to conclude a track.   Maybe the preponderance of k synthesizers has/had something to do with this.  Fripp uses lovely mellotron in the Starless climax.


Edited by rogerthat - April 12 2012 at 21:00]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:29:23 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484955#4484955 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by infandous And... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484954#4484954 Author: rogerthat
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 20:26

Originally posted by infandous



And women don't love to stereotype men just as much, if not more?  Of course they do.  Same with your comments about males admiring females and females admiring males.  I think generally, men do this one a bit more than women, but I've seen plenty of it from both. 

But you are right, people are all different, and the differences with men and women are probably a combination of socialization and biology.  As you say though, I don't think we have any definitive proof of one over the other.


The difference I have seen is men are not above saying it to their face, spouting these stereotyped notions in groups where women are in the discussion.  Women probably keep it to their all-women groups, because I haven't noticed it so much from their side (but maybe things are different in Europe/USA as opposed to Asia).   That makes sense as well; men know they are the dominant sex and make it a point to impose themselves.  Another thing I have noticed if you tell a woman that she likes only emotional music, she will shrug and say that's how she is while a man will at least attempt to justify his preferences as being 'very proper'.  It could be argued that even the feminist position is just an extension of this power struggle because breaking glass ceilings and matching prize money in sporting events seem to have somewhere become more important to women than nipping female infanticide in the bud, a far more indefensible act imo. 
]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:26:37 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484954#4484954 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by rogerthat Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484928#4484928 Author: Dellinger
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:29

Originally posted by rogerthat


Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by rogerthat


Originally posted by ProgWytch

I should probably add also that while Prog has intellectual depth, much of it lacks emotional depth found in other genres, but that would just serve to stereotype women, and there's enough of that in the music community as it is. :p
It does not have to be.  I am a guy and I agree to a large extent with that.  I don't think men should feel too proud about the stereotype that they like only technical music or dumb and decadent rock and roll and are unresponsive to sensitivity or fragility in music.  None of which is true, of course, but it would have to be if the tired old stereotype of women being 'emo' is.


I don't necessarily agree with the stereotype that prog music has no emotion. It's just that perhaps prog songs don't necessarily rely in emotion to impact it's public, or, as the music is more complex than pop, it is more difficult to understand it, and so it is more difficult to "find" the emotions it trys to portray. Or, simply, it is capable of portraying a wider range of emotions than pop, and if it doesn't make you feel melancholy or pain over a lost or uncorresponded love, then people will say it isn't emotional... while perhaps the song is actually transmiting happiness.
Well, that is at least how I understand emotions.  Emotional resonance has to be direct, it must reach out to the listener. If the listener has to understand first how it could be emotional, it is not emotional, it is analytical.  There is some prog that is emotionally resonant, I don't think I have said it isn't, but a lot of it isn't.  Which is fine, the stereotype that music has to necessarily be emotional is...just another stereotype.  Most academic music is meant to be listened to for the technicalities and complexities, not so much for the emotions (though those are a bonus where they are evident).


I'm not sure I understand it myself very well, but there are songs that at first just don't tell me anything (emotionally), and they are just plain boring, or whatever. However, after repeated listenings, I start finding this and that, and suddenly I really like it, even find deep emotion in it... like perhaps "Starless", first I didn't understand it, now that violin intro (I'm talking about the live version, obviously) is so nostalgic and sad, that I can't think about it as anything but emotional (and beautiful)... of course, all the wacky part after the vocal part isn't quiet so emotional... but then comes the reprise of the main theme, with so much power, that I just can't understand how it could be anything but emotional.]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:29:52 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484928#4484928 Why DO women like prog? : This thread still smells sociobological... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484773#4484773 Author: CPicard
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 15:58

This thread still smells sociobological theories poo. ]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:58:35 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484773#4484773 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by rogerthat Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484593#4484593 Author: infandous
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 13:56

Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by infandous

Men and womens brains do, in fact, operate differently.  This probably has something to do with it.  So it's not a stereotype that men are more intellectual while women are more emotional.  It's how we are wired.  Of course, there are always exceptions that prove the rule.  I have personally know women who seemed almost emotionless and were incredibly intelligent and analytical.  I've known men who were very emotional and not interested at all in intellectual pursuits (and were not gay).  I've actually encountered more of the former than the latter (probably because my father was a scientist, and I met most of these type of women at work event of his when I was younger), but that's just me, not really something to base a theory on or anything. 


How much these differences are cultural and how much they are biological I don't know and I don't know if anybody really knows.  Because not all men are the same anyway as you have more or less said yourself.  Every individual is different.  We men just love to stereotype women and find something to comment about in every aspect of their behaviour.  I think THAT trait might possibly have a bit of biology/instinct in it.  Because man feels threatened with giving the woman too much freedom, so he perpetrates sexist stereotypes to mould them such that it suits him.  It is obviously getting more difficult with education...and that's how it should be.  Men can't watch a female musician or or for that matter any kind of female performer without passing - often lewd - comments about their looks or, er, endowments and yet they mock women for admiring male musicians or sportsmen who look handsome.  In what way are the two things different..I have never understood. 






And women don't love to stereotype men just as much, if not more?  Of course they do.  Same with your comments about males admiring females and females admiring males.  I think generally, men do this one a bit more than women, but I've seen plenty of it from both. 

But you are right, people are all different, and the differences with men and women are probably a combination of socialization and biology.  As you say though, I don't think we have any definitive proof of one over the other.
]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:56:37 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484593#4484593 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by infandous Men... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484436#4484436 Author: rogerthat
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 11:16

Originally posted by infandous

Men and womens brains do, in fact, operate differently.  This probably has something to do with it.  So it's not a stereotype that men are more intellectual while women are more emotional.  It's how we are wired.  Of course, there are always exceptions that prove the rule.  I have personally know women who seemed almost emotionless and were incredibly intelligent and analytical.  I've known men who were very emotional and not interested at all in intellectual pursuits (and were not gay).  I've actually encountered more of the former than the latter (probably because my father was a scientist, and I met most of these type of women at work event of his when I was younger), but that's just me, not really something to base a theory on or anything. 


How much these differences are cultural and how much they are biological I don't know and I don't know if anybody really knows.  Because not all men are the same anyway as you have more or less said yourself.  Every individual is different.  We men just love to stereotype women and find something to comment about in every aspect of their behaviour.  I think THAT trait might possibly have a bit of biology/instinct in it.  Because man feels threatened with giving the woman too much freedom, so he perpetrates sexist stereotypes to mould them such that it suits him.  It is obviously getting more difficult with education...and that's how it should be.  Men can't watch a female musician or or for that matter any kind of female performer without passing - often lewd - comments about their looks or, er, endowments and yet they mock women for admiring male musicians or sportsmen who look handsome.  In what way are the two things different..I have never understood. 



]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:16:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484436#4484436 Why DO women like prog? : Men and womens brains do, in... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484371#4484371 Author: infandous
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 09:21

Men and womens brains do, in fact, operate differently.  This probably has something to do with it.  So it's not a stereotype that men are more intellectual while women are more emotional.  It's how we are wired.  Of course, there are always exceptions that prove the rule.  I have personally know women who seemed almost emotionless and were incredibly intelligent and analytical.  I've known men who were very emotional and not interested at all in intellectual pursuits (and were not gay).  I've actually encountered more of the former than the latter (probably because my father was a scientist, and I met most of these type of women at work event of his when I was younger), but that's just me, not really something to base a theory on or anything.

I also agree with the notion that prog is less emotionally focused than other types of music, in general.  Obviously, there are emotions in prog, but I've never felt they were central to most prog bands approach.  I think musical skill, and compositional skill, have always been paramount.  This would account for some of the fact that women are not as drawn to it.  Though again, I've met a couple of women who were musicians themselves, that enjoyed a lot of prog for precisely those aspects.


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Posted: April 12 2012 at 08:00

Women just love dissonance, abrasive noises, poly rhythms and the whole Rock-In-Opposition movement. I am generalizing here, but I once met a girl who liked Samla Mammas Manna's Måltid. Mjyeah, well maybe she wasn't actually a woman - only (s)he had long hair..?

 
]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:00:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484330#4484330 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by FassbinderI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484311#4484311 Author: awaken77
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 07:21

Originally posted by Fassbinder

I permanently fail to understand the fact that the percentage of men liking Prog is higher than that of women. Personally, I just don't see the difference between men and women in this aspect.


prog is 'nerdy' music, and most nerds are men :-)

there is no specific reason why women not are into prog.. they are just not aware of it's existence
people usually found music through radio and tv communications, friend recommendations , etc.  prog is neither radio-friendly or MTV-friendly, so a lot of people only know about it from close friends or family member
for example, my sister got some prog exposure, because I listened it all the time at home
or, my friend(girl) have a boyfriend, who is musician in local prog band



Edited by awaken77 - April 12 2012 at 07:29]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:21:30 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484311#4484311 Why DO women like prog? : There are nostereotypeshere... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484286#4484286 Author: PyramidMeetsTheEye
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Posted: April 12 2012 at 06:07

There are no stereotypes here i know a lot a lot a lot of girls of my age and further 14----> and all of them listen to pop,rap,bieber, and other neo sh*t. You must be lucky to meet such an woman that listens to rock,jazz,.... 

the only option you have is that you "teach" your girlfriend to listen to good music. 

And you know girls they always want to "fit in" and they would do anything to fit in their "girl club" so they will listen to such music every one does and wear such closes like every one else. 

Freaking conformists 


Edited by PyramidMeetsTheEye - April 12 2012 at 06:09]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:07:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484286#4484286 Why DO women like prog? : Ya really great post, it's... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484196#4484196 Author: ProgWytch
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 23:03

Ya really great post, it's a very similar question to "why aren't there more women in the videogames industry, or comics"? The simple fact that up until recently, women weren't accepted as even being welcome in rock music, and oftentimes even now still aren't treated with respect. So really it's going to take THIS generation raising their young girls right before we see a massive female influx because the majority of the current population has already been alienated by those who have made them feel unwelcome pieces of meat *COUGHTimeAndAWordCOUGH*Unhappy

The problem is too many men seem to have plenty of opinions and theories, but rarely actually listen to the women they theorize about. Meanwhile a small, but vocal contingent of women are jumping up and down trying to tell men the obvious and are often overlooked because the men are to busy trying to figure out the answer for themselves that they're too stubborn to actually take women at our word that we may actually have the answer as a result of direct experience.


Edited by ProgWytch - April 11 2012 at 23:42]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:03:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484196#4484196 Why DO women like prog? : Thx for the welcome. I skipped... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484190#4484190 Author: ProgWytch
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 22:50

Thx for the welcome. I skipped many pages so will have to look back at you other post.]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:50:40 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484190#4484190 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by ProgWytch... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484170#4484170 Author: dennismoore
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 22:13

Originally posted by ProgWytch if there were a of guy totally in touch with his emotions and listened to Michael Bolton (without being gay) would it be called a syndrome, an abnormality? [/QUOTE



It would be called an "impossibility".   LOL

Hi ProgWytch,

Nice


It would be called an "impossibility".   LOL

Hi ProgWytch,

Nice to meet you. Tongue

@everybody else:  I poured out my soul a few pages back and got no love, so I couldn't resist knocking out of the park that softball that ProgWytch offered up. Wink

Ok,, nobody bought my prior explanation(which I actually put some thought into), so how bout this one which nobody should ever seriously contemplate saying...

Uh, who cares? Woman should stay in the kitchen and cook diner and help mow the lawn and give their husbands back rubs and stuff.

Ok, you guys & girls should all know by now I live for satire. Wink

Though it is nice to have some women around here.  The absolute worst part of prog is going to a concert and looking to your left, right or behind you and realizing you are part of about the biggest sausage-fest there could ever be.Confused 

Going to see Greg Lake in a few weeks, that should be a little more of a "balanced" crowd.
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:13:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484170#4484170 Why DO women like prog? : Girls like music that tries... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484142#4484142 Author: RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 21:32

Girls like music that tries to get their attention. Prog music is male oriented music. You'd have to be a traitor to your gender to be a female prog fan. LOL

I don't know how smart women's interests are distributed. There are smart women in every field. But I don't where the female interest in involved music goes to. Maybe J-pop? Alternative? Not Prog.





Edited by RoyFairbank - April 14 2012 at 19:49]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:32:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484142#4484142 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by ProgWytch Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484130#4484130 Author: Dellinger
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 21:05

Originally posted by ProgWytch


Originally posted by Dellinger

 
I don't necessarily agree with the stereotype that prog music has no emotion. It's just that perhaps prog songs don't necessarily rely in emotion to impact it's public, or, as the music is more complex than pop, it is more difficult to understand it, and so it is more difficult to "find" the emotions it trys to portray. Or, simply, it is capable of portraying a wider range of emotions than pop, and if it doesn't make you feel melancholy or pain over a lost or uncorresponded love, then people will say it isn't emotional... while perhaps the song is actually transmiting happiness.

Yeah good call on that. For instance, there are some tracks on Scenes From A Memory that bring tears to my eyes.


Funny how Dream Theater is one of the favourite examples people like to use for un-emotional music. Still, I do have found some very emotional examples within their music. Within Scenes from a Memory, specially the track "Finally Free", I feel it reaches different emotions, from happiness, to sadness, to desperation. Other examples of emotional songs from DT for me are "Space Dye Vest", "Disappear", "Stream of Conciousness", "The Count of Tuscany". Perhaps also "Octavarium". I guess there must be others, but this ones are the ones that come to mind.]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:05:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484130#4484130 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by ProgWytchThough... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484118#4484118 Author: rogerthat
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 20:43

Originally posted by ProgWytch

Though it does seem a bit silly, if there were a specific type of guy who were terrible with machines,but totally in touch with his emotions and listened to Michael Bolton (without being gay) would it be called a syndrome, an abnormality?


I don't think Beatles would have been able to write songs like In My Life, Because or Something if they were not emotionally cognitive.  Relating to the emotions on the other side is just as important, if not more, than being this whizkid of numbers and graphs.  And by the way, I am a numbers man.


Edited by rogerthat - April 11 2012 at 20:43]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:43:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484118#4484118 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Dellinger Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484112#4484112 Author: rogerthat
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 20:38

Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by rogerthat


Originally posted by ProgWytch

I should probably add also that while Prog has intellectual depth, much of it lacks emotional depth found in other genres, but that would just serve to stereotype women, and there's enough of that in the music community as it is. :p
It does not have to be.  I am a guy and I agree to a large extent with that.  I don't think men should feel too proud about the stereotype that they like only technical music or dumb and decadent rock and roll and are unresponsive to sensitivity or fragility in music.  None of which is true, of course, but it would have to be if the tired old stereotype of women being 'emo' is.


I don't necessarily agree with the stereotype that prog music has no emotion. It's just that perhaps prog songs don't necessarily rely in emotion to impact it's public, or, as the music is more complex than pop, it is more difficult to understand it, and so it is more difficult to "find" the emotions it trys to portray. Or, simply, it is capable of portraying a wider range of emotions than pop, and if it doesn't make you feel melancholy or pain over a lost or uncorresponded love, then people will say it isn't emotional... while perhaps the song is actually transmiting happiness.


Well, that is at least how I understand emotions.  Emotional resonance has to be direct, it must reach out to the listener. If the listener has to understand first how it could be emotional, it is not emotional, it is analytical.  There is some prog that is emotionally resonant, I don't think I have said it isn't, but a lot of it isn't.  Which is fine, the stereotype that music has to necessarily be emotional is...just another stereotype.  Most academic music is meant to be listened to for the technicalities and complexities, not so much for the emotions (though those are a bonus where they are evident).
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:38:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484112#4484112 Why DO women like prog? : Another possibility (that I am... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484101#4484101 Author: ProgWytch
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 20:09

Another possibility (that I am loathe to explore but can't overlook) is that there is some validity to the male brain/female brain arguments of technical vs social, and that women who are completely into Prog are, like myself, are individuals more likely to be diagnosed with aspergers syndrome. Though it does seem a bit silly, if there were a specific type of guy who were terrible with machines,but totally in touch with his emotions and listened to Michael Bolton (without being gay) would it be called a syndrome, an abnormality? Discussion for another forum maybe lol!]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:09:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484101#4484101 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Dellinger I... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484099#4484099 Author: ProgWytch
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 20:03

Originally posted by Dellinger

 

I don't necessarily agree with the stereotype that prog music has no emotion. It's just that perhaps prog songs don't necessarily rely in emotion to impact it's public, or, as the music is more complex than pop, it is more difficult to understand it, and so it is more difficult to "find" the emotions it trys to portray. Or, simply, it is capable of portraying a wider range of emotions than pop, and if it doesn't make you feel melancholy or pain over a lost or uncorresponded love, then people will say it isn't emotional... while perhaps the song is actually transmiting happiness.

Yeah good call on that. For instance, there are some tracks on Scenes From A Memory that bring tears to my eyes.
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:03:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484099#4484099 Why DO women like prog? : I think the reason Women are... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484092#4484092 Author: RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 19:49

I think the reason Women are less likely to enjoy Prog is the male oriented nature of the music. Prog doesn't address female problems, in female terms. At least generic love songs are something females can relate to.

I can't help thinking of the female alienating lyrics/themes of: I'm counting out time, got the whole thing down by numbers, all those numbers..... just a rock and roll refugee, hey baby set me free.....

(counting out time, Genesis, young lust, Pink Floyd).


Also, who wants to support a bunch of geezers sweating over guitars and drums and stuff? Does that really seem cool to a girl? Wouldn't she rather see a young woman or a guy she likes in front of fireworks and spandex dancers?


Edited by RoyFairbank - April 11 2012 at 19:52]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:49:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484092#4484092 Why DO women like prog? : Maybe a parallel with... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484080#4484080 Author: zwordser
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 19:29

[QUOTE=Dirk]Maybe a parallel with chess can be drawn? It's well known that there are much more male than female chessplayers, the reason that is usually given to explain this phenomenon is that men are more interested in focusing in depth on one specific  topic (such as chess) than women who generally have a broader field of interest.

I've noticed that fewer women are into chess than men, but I've never heard your explanation--usually I've heard (actually mostly read) that women are not as logical and more emotional, not as competitive, and/or that there's not as much chess educational opportunities for women. I believe (as Jennifer Shahade writes in her book, Chess Bitch) that women are just as capable.

As for women's interest in prog rock, as far as I can see, there tends to be generally less interest for women than men, but I'm not sure why. It's complicated though because there's so much variety in prog rock, women may be more drawn to some bands or subgenres of prog than others.


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Posted: April 11 2012 at 18:39

Originally posted by rogerthat


Originally posted by ProgWytch

I should probably add also that while Prog has intellectual depth, much of it lacks emotional depth found in other genres, but that would just serve to stereotype women, and there's enough of that in the music community as it is. :p
It does not have to be.  I am a guy and I agree to a large extent with that.  I don't think men should feel too proud about the stereotype that they like only technical music or dumb and decadent rock and roll and are unresponsive to sensitivity or fragility in music.  None of which is true, of course, but it would have to be if the tired old stereotype of women being 'emo' is.


I don't necessarily agree with the stereotype that prog music has no emotion. It's just that perhaps prog songs don't necessarily rely in emotion to impact it's public, or, as the music is more complex than pop, it is more difficult to understand it, and so it is more difficult to "find" the emotions it trys to portray. Or, simply, it is capable of portraying a wider range of emotions than pop, and if it doesn't make you feel melancholy or pain over a lost or uncorresponded love, then people will say it isn't emotional... while perhaps the song is actually transmiting happiness.]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:39:52 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4484056#4484056 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by ProgWytchI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483672#4483672 Author: rogerthat
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 11:29

Originally posted by ProgWytch

I should probably add also that while Prog has intellectual depth, much of it lacks emotional depth found in other genres, but that would just serve to stereotype women, and there's enough of that in the music community as it is. :p


It does not have to be.  I am a guy and I agree to a large extent with that.  I don't think men should feel too proud about the stereotype that they like only technical music or dumb and decadent rock and roll and are unresponsive to sensitivity or fragility in music.  None of which is true, of course, but it would have to be if the tired old stereotype of women being 'emo' is.
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:29:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483672#4483672 Why DO women like prog? : I too thought progwytch's... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483660#4483660 Author: infandous
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 11:08

I too thought progwytch's post was a good one, but don't really agree with the content.  However, I'm male and had no sisters so I don't really know how true this is or not (it certainly wasn't for my mother, who was born in 1941).

Anyway, my experience with women is that some have enjoyed listening to prog, but for the most part want stuff they can dance to and sing along with.  My current partner has a pretty good appreciation of most of what I listen to, yet still I'll come home to "Greatest Power Ballads of the 80's" or something similar.  Of course, she grew up in the 80's, and unlike me, has fond memories of that music.  She did take my copy of Zappa's Roxy and Elsewhere to work though, which made me so very happy, even though she did it mostly to irritate her coworkers (who are all female).

Anyway, most of the women I have known have been able to enjoy at least some prog, though they never seem to become as obsessed with it as the males (with one notable exception......who still loved to listen to 80's power ballads as well).
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:08:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483660#4483660 Why DO women like prog? : I should probably add also that... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483594#4483594 Author: ProgWytch
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 09:43

I should probably add also that while Prog has intellectual depth, much of it lacks emotional depth found in other genres, but that would just serve to stereotype women, and there's enough of that in the music community as it is. :p]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:43:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483594#4483594 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Snow... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483589#4483589 Author: ProgWytch
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 09:37

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by ProgWytch

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Good post yes. Can't say I really agree though.

Agree or not, that's your perogative

Of course it is. Does everyone who disagrees with you get this reply?

Nope, but considering I have a wrist injury and I typed more than I should have in my first post... Dead
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:37:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483589#4483589 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by ProgWytch Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483584#4483584 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 09:28

Originally posted by ProgWytch

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Good post yes. Can't say I really agree though.

Agree or not, that's your perogative

Of course it is. Does everyone who disagrees with you get this reply?


Edited by Snow Dog - April 11 2012 at 09:35]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:28:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483584#4483584 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Jim Garten...and... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483582#4483582 Author: ProgWytch
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 09:24

Originally posted by Jim Garten

...and the winner of the 'best first post on a music forum' award 2012 goes to...

Welcome to the forum ProgWytch

Thanks, nice to be here! :)
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:24:30 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483582#4483582 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Snow... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483579#4483579 Author: ProgWytch
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 09:20

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Good post yes. Can't say I really agree though.

Agree or not, that's your perogative, I only offered a bit of female perspective. Make of it what you will ^_^
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:20:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483579#4483579 Why DO women like prog? : All the women I knew when I was... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483523#4483523 Author: spknoevl
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 07:36

All the women I knew when I was younger who liked prog either dated or hung out with guys that liked prog.  None of the women I've been married to liked it at all, although my current wife did recognize a couple of Fragile era Yes tunes when we watched the Live at Montreux DVD.  When I took her to concerts by  Rush and Peter Gabriel I think she barely tolerated being there.  To make it up to her, I had to go with her to see Celtic Women.]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:36:47 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483523#4483523 Why DO women like prog? : Good post yes. Can't say... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483519#4483519 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 07:27

Good post yes. Can't say I really agree though.]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:27:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483519#4483519 Why DO women like prog? : ...and the winner of the 'best... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483500#4483500 Author: Jim Garten
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 06:15

...and the winner of the 'best first post on a music forum' award 2012 goes to...

Welcome to the forum ProgWytch ]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:15:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483500#4483500 Why DO women like prog? : The answer is a pretty obvious... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483495#4483495 Author: ProgWytch
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 11 2012 at 05:38

The answer is a pretty obvious one to me, if a bit multifaceted. Girls and women are very capable of intellectual challenge, but the problem is largely a sociological one, in that most girls are discouraged from intellectual pursuits at a young age, either by parents or by peers. There is still an incredibly sexist peer pressure at the heart of most young womens' lives. Girls are told by their parents and by society that their prime interest needs to be finding a mate and having a baby. One must not underestimate the power of parental and peer pressure, it's very much a brainwashing indoctrination and is not easy to overcome once one has succumbed.

Secondly one must consider the public perception of the genre in the laypeople. The popular view is that Prog fans are elitist (not conducive to those who are brainwashed and therefore easily intimidated) and self indulgent, and that there is some blurring of the line in the general public perception between prog rock and classic rock bands. This combined with the appearance of mindless self-indulgence paints an (albeit very mistaken) image that Prog is the domain of the ego-driven "c*ck-rock" front-man, even though this couldn't be further from the truth.

While the second point is certainly a factor, really it all comes down to social conditioning and indoctrination. Much of society doesn't want young women to think for themselves, even though they may deny this, it still comes through in how young women are raised, and that can have a very powerful impact. We need to introduce our daughters to these concepts when they are incredibly young and encourage their neede to ask questions and explore their intellectual sides. Only then will this situation truly change. Handshake
]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:38:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4483495#4483495 Why DO women like prog? : My mom always tolerated prog far... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4482908#4482908 Author: herojoe
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 10 2012 at 07:00

My mom always tolerated prog far more than anything else I listened to.]]> Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:00:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4482908#4482908 Why DO women like prog? : I almost got my mum to like... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4480680#4480680 Author: diecast.malta
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 07 2012 at 05:32

I almost got my mum to like DT by making her listen to the charlston-ish piece in the middle of Dance of Eternity. How's that for an achievement :D]]> Sat, 07 Apr 2012 05:32:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4480680#4480680 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Snow... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478954#4478954 Author: trackstoni
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 04 2012 at 22:03

Cry
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Originally posted by Snow Dog

So we not only offend women but now we offend homosexuals too. We got it all covered. Do black people like prog?

Look, I'm trying really hard to cover all the bases.

LOL
   

           LOL  Cry  Clap  LOL
]]> Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:03:42 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478954#4478954 Why DO women like prog? : I definitely believe you http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478934#4478934 Author: progbaby
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 04 2012 at 21:37

I definitely believe you  Big smile]]> Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:37:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478934#4478934 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by progbabyWith... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478856#4478856 Author: rogerthat
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 04 2012 at 19:17

Originally posted by progbaby


With prog music, there's not much to be found in the lyrics that talk about "woman loves man, man falls for woman.  Man and woman kiss and get married and have a family"...




It is not only about relationships.  A lot of prog IS technical, left brained stuff.  And therefore it appeals only to a very specific demographic, not even all men. 
]]> Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:17:31 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478856#4478856 Why DO women like prog? : Now, apply all of that to instrumental... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478829#4478829 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 04 2012 at 18:29

Now, apply all of that to instrumental prog. Big smile]]> Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:29:31 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478829#4478829 Why DO women like prog? : A female friend of mine who... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478729#4478729 Author: progbaby
Subject: 28789
Posted: April 04 2012 at 16:49

A female friend of mine who is in the business of pyschology (she has a degree) mentioned that women are more "relationship" oriented and men are more "task" oriented.     ON the whole from studies, men tend to base their self esteem on their jobs/work and women tend to base their self esteem on their relationships rather than on their jobs.

With prog music, there's not much to be found in the lyrics that talk about "woman loves man, man falls for woman.  Man and woman kiss and get married and have a family"...

With your AOR American pop music on the radio, the lyrics tend to be of a relationship nature (even if it's twisted in terms of sexual immorality or with sexual conquest overtones, etc...) and women tend to prefer more that type of stuff based on the studies.

I hope I did not offend anyone.  No offense meant.   Thinking about relationships and being married and having a family are at the top and forefront of most women.   Those same women would much rather hear a Whitney Houston song (singing about dancing and dating men) rather than "The Battle of Epping Forest"...

Also, women tend to multitask much better than men (they've done studies on that) so as such, the attention of span of many women is divided and they switch task their minds much more than men (I don't like to multitask)...   As a result, I feel many women (who multitask a lot) don't have the patience or desire to sit down and concentrate and feel a 20-minute "Close to the Edge" flowing thru your brains.  They'd much rather have a 3-minute 2 chord progression  Bon Jovi song on in the background or some song that produces a constant repititous drum/dance beat (ie, maybe it gets them thinking about dancing which somehow involves a relationship again???)

But it is known that well known and studied that women switch-task much better than men and that they are more relationship-oriented than men.     I know there are exceptions but the brain chemistry/makeup between men and women are different.   Much in the way that  you hear the stereotype that most men love sports and women don't and most women love to shop and most men don't.

Not meaning to say this in a demeaning way but if a 20-minute song is delving into complex instrumental solos and sung in a foreign language or if the lyrics are not about relationship-sort of things, many of the women will not be interested.

I feel much of prog relates to a "task oriented" nature..  I mean when I hear a really cool keyboard solo or guitar solo or melody, my mind turns to "task mode" and I'm like, "how'd they do that?" or "what's going on there with that chord progression, etc...".


I do think the element of "lack of relationship-oriented nature in the topics of many prog songs" to be turn offs for many of the female persuation who look for those elements in their music (and they will find it on American idol)..

Plus with their extensive multitasking nature, I feel many don't want to go thru the effort of listening to a song that lasts more than 3-4 minutes long as they have a bunch of other things on their mind that they need to attend to and do.   The american-idol music fits that bill for them.  Maybe???


I really hope this did not offend anyone...   I meant no offense to any man or woman reading the thread.





Edited by progbaby - April 04 2012 at 16:51]]> Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:49:47 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4478729#4478729 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by NotAProghead Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4430771#4430771 Author: rogerthat
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:38

Originally posted by NotAProghead

Originally posted by rogerthat

...the usual stupid things about women going because David Gilmour is cute and all that. 
Not that stupid at all I think. Nobody cancelled the rule: don't even dream about success if girls don't like you.  Smile


You are only quoting a part of my post and the not the next and more important part of it.

And by the way, it's not true that men are so religiously devoted to music alone that they won't attend the gig of an attractive female musician mainly for her looks and not the music.  When Iron Maiden performed here 5 years back, people were more forgiving of Lauryn Harris than a local nu metal band though both were equally bad. If men didn't salivate at the sight of attractive women, a fair few female TV presenters would have to find another job.  One sided stereotyping, imo.


Edited by rogerthat - February 09 2012 at 18:41]]> Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:38:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4430771#4430771 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by rogerthat...the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4430664#4430664 Author: NotAProghead
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 09 2012 at 16:36

Originally posted by rogerthat

...the usual stupid things about women going because David Gilmour is cute and all that. 
Not that stupid at all I think. Nobody cancelled the rule: don't even dream about success if girls don't like you.  Smile
]]> Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:36:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4430664#4430664 Why DO women like prog? : The irony is that Raff made this... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4430067#4430067 Author: rogerthat
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 08 2012 at 22:10

The irony is that Raff made this thread to talk about what drew other women like her to prog and thereby beat the stereotype. But you just had to have all the men say the usual stupid things about women going because David Gilmour is cute and all that. 

Let us suppose that is true.  So what?  Are there not men who watch women's tennis only when Sharapova or Ivanovic play and who don't really care about better players like Davenport (ok, she's retired but anyway..) or Clijsters just because they are unattractive?  In my experience, 90% of male tennis lovers I have met are like that.  Why should it be so hard for some men to understand that if they can feel drawn to attractive members of the other sex, it can very well hold good for the other side and is not just about this whole business of "women being women".
]]> Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:10:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4430067#4430067 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by sm sm There... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4429625#4429625 Author: dennismoore
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 08 2012 at 12:10

Originally posted by sm sm

There are probably similar sexist stereotypes about men who can't get into dance music (because their too neandrathal, etc), except its also promoted through taxpayer assisted women's (read - Feminist) programs or venues that would not allow simialr sexism against women. 
 
 
Hi sm sm, if you are still around....if I read your post right, I now realize that it is "I" who have been victimized.  As a man who delights in a listening session of YES- CTTE but is a pariah on the dance floor.  I have missed out and could not cash-in on all the fame and social goodies that went to the majority that can trip the light fantastic to the latest Madonna drivel.  I Missed out on so many late night romances, to that "pop", happenin kinda guy who can talk "Beyonce".  Plus, the $$$ I could have made from hangin with the "in crowd".  Hmm, maybe Gloria Alred will represent me.  Where are MY social programs(for guys who love Gentle Giant but can't disco dance)???
 
Ok seriously...   I am new here and I just saw that this thread is active  so I read it.  Boy, do I feel like a fool thinking this was a nice mellow little place!  I thought all the insult tossing, judgemental peeps were all over at Alt. Music.Yes!
Silly me. Confused   Seriously, the original question was kinda silly. The are virtually no girls who are into prog!  A better question is why is that?
 
The monkey-dance mating ritual theory was covered already so I will humbly point out 2 other reassons why I think we have this phenomenon.
 
1. Simple exposure
2. Woman have been left out of all boys club of music.
 
Exposure I - As an Alice Cooper, Elton John loving 13 year old, I had a music appreciation class freshman year HS.  The teacher played on a decent stereo.... Rick Wakeman (after Jackson Brown) then ELP... and I was hooked!  I went out and bought Rick Wakeman LPs then Yes, etc.... 
 
Exposure II - I recall going to a party in 8th grade and a girl had an ELP - Brain Salad Surgery record.  Well at that time New York's WPLJ had ELP muisic in their TV commercial!  See the connection?Wink
Prog is not promoted via radio or the media so it is hard for anybody to be exposed to it.
 
Exposure III - Before I met my wife she was into dance - pop rock - whatever pop de jour.  After seeing YES ONE TIME
(with Benoit David, thank you very much!) she LOVES YES.  It was Steve Howe's playing that actually got to her.  She herself decided that we would travel to see them the next night as well... She loves ELP as well & Glass Hammer...
 
===========================================================
 
Music was largely a men's only club.  In the 70's (my generation) women were not in prog or rock bands(Heart was the only band I think....) Women were very much stereotyped.  Women should be models,actresses, teachers, maybe doctors but NOT rock musicians.  This all slowly changed so today, girls in bands are no big thing. Back then, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead, The Who, Stones, AND all the prog bands were ALL men.  These bands were the heroes of men.  Most guys wanted to play like them and BE like them.  What did that music offer a girl?  Oh, yeah,to be that folk singer Joan Baez... That was pretty much it.
 
Cheers!
 
Ok, just my $.02.


Edited by dennismoore - February 08 2012 at 12:21]]> Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:10:48 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4429625#4429625 Why DO women like prog? : Hi, new to this forum and this... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4429535#4429535 Author: LirazelsOdyssey
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 08 2012 at 09:50

Hi, new to this forum and this thread grabbed me because this is one of the things that has stumped me as well. I am a woman BTW who has been very into prog since my high school days in the 80s. Someone in this thread mentioned maybe it was lack of exposure? Maybe. I can only speak for myself, but here is why I got hooked on prog: < ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">

First of all (I also wrote this story on my intro post), my first "baptism", if you will, into prog was when I took my sister to the Yes- 90125 concert in 1984. In all actuality, the thing that motivated  me to get tickets to go to that concert was  that Berlin was the opening band and I was very into them. Well, Berlin cancelled and we were left with only Yes. My sister (who is 9 years older than I) said not to worry; I would find that I knew a lot more of Yes songs than I thought I did. 

Well, she sure was right. The whole concert I was like, "Oh yeah! I know this song!" That concert just blew me away and I have never encountered its equal all of these years, and I've been to a lot of concerts. After that concert I went and found and 8 track (yes, an 8 track) of Fragile and just was captivated. Thus was my initiation into prog. 

But my interest was then nurtured by a group of guys I began hanging around with. I was quite the rebel back then and kind of a party animal and there was this house called "The Zoo" we all used to hang out at and drink crappy 3.2 beer. The gender proportion there was always about 4/1 guys over girls, but there I was. Many of those guys were into prog and a couple were serious audiophiles. So I got introduced to a lot of prog type bands such as: Rush, ELP, more Yes, Jethro Tull, Asia, Pink Floyd, Styx and my huge fav.. Alan Parsons Project. 

Later I met my husband who really loved Yes and prog in general and he was amazed and thrilled that I was interested in it. During the 90s I got caught up in contemporary Christian music which became pretty boring pretty fast until I heard Iona, which is an outstanding Celtic Christian prog band from the UK. I was being reeled into prog once again. 

But why do I keep searching for new prog artists to enjoy and keep being captivated to all of those I have found through the years? I guess its just that I have a fierce and deep love of music in general. It is "in my blood" so to speak. I come from very musical parents and have owned my own music since I was a toddler, literally. I knew how to operate a turntable with respect at the age of 4 and began building my collection of vinyl at that age (which I still have BTW).  I am hard pressed to find a genre of music that I just can't stand at all. 

And now that the internet and broadband has come around the music world has opened up to me big time! In the last few years, I've discovered a lot of prog bands through emusic while I had a good job as I had a subscription there. Now I don't have that and so have started lurking around here to discover more. 

Glad to be one of the few women here! 

Lirazel
]]> Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:50:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4429535#4429535 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by Alitare^You... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424785#4424785 Author: brainstormer
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 01 2012 at 18:21

Originally posted by Alitare

^You haven't read enough of what I say to determine whether or not I'm being sarcastic. I have nothing against spirituality or religious individuals. 


OK, that's fair....(listening to to the Hallelujah section of Magma's Ka, lol).
]]> Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:21:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424785#4424785 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by NotAProgheadSurpisingly... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424685#4424685 Author: CPicard
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 01 2012 at 16:18

Originally posted by NotAProghead

Surpisingly this thread is less popular than this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82415 LOL


Note that these two threads have at least two common points:
 - they are discussing matter concerning women - but without any woman involved in these discussions;
 - they are made for trolling;
 - they will go waaaaaay out of hand in less than one week.
]]> Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:18:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424685#4424685 Why DO women like prog? : Surpisingly this thread is less... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424595#4424595 Author: NotAProghead
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 01 2012 at 14:40

Surpisingly this thread is less popular than this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82415 LOL]]> Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:40:52 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424595#4424595 Why DO women like prog? : Originally posted by stonebeardIf... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424563#4424563 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 01 2012 at 14:05

Originally posted by stonebeard

If ti were physically possible to burn this thread, I would.

Why on earth would you want ti to burn this thread physically? Tongue
]]> Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:05:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424563#4424563 Why DO women like prog? : ^You haven&#039;t read enough... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424551#4424551 Author: Alitare
Subject: 28789
Posted: February 01 2012 at 13:53

^You haven't read enough of what I say to determine whether or not I'm being sarcastic. I have nothing against spirituality or religious individuals. ]]> Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:53:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28789&PID=4424551#4424551