Progressive Rock Music Forum : Pinning down your personal taste!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Yeah, I've been thinking...

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:41:44 +0000

Author: PetrucciPal
Subject: 49509
Posted: August 09 2008 at 14:41

Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about musical tastes to lately...and it sucks! Because like, it used to be a lot of classic rock, Rush and Dream Theater. Now, it's been narrowed down to Rush and Dream Theater. Classic rock (to me, Cream, AC/DC, Journey, and sh*t like that) just got old to me, fast. And now...as much as I hate to admit it...I think I like Dream Theater a little more than Rush. But I used to be totally in love with Rush! So idk. It sucks. I'm just all for the big instrumentals, the random beats, the prodigious effort that every member of the band put into every song. Musical tastes are GAY!!! lol XD

Pinning down your personal taste! : Well I like a lot of different...

Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:11:30 +0000

Author: BroSpence
Subject: 49509
Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:11

Well I like a lot of different music styles that don't always have a connection with one another. To give a simple summarization though I guess I like:

"edgy, non-conventional, exotic, dynamic interaction fantasies"

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:20:55 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 26 2008 at 10:20

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Well, I'm rather introverted myself, but when I usually talk to someone, it can be hard not to start talking about music. The odd thing is that when I mention music first it is in an attempt to bring up conversation and somehow relate to the person... most of the time it doesn't work.

Yes, I'm absolutely the same. Also, I'm notorious for having a song lyric quotation for every occasion.

I thought I was the only one!!

My last somewhat musical conversation at work started out being about the maintenance people's failure to communicate, but somehow I dragged it around to The Residents and their Theory of Obscurity.

Haha, I bet that was great!

Ah, good point, haha. But I'm such a huge Magma fanboy that I'd say all of their albums (well, excluding Merci) are at least genius, and nearly all are masterpieces. So the presence of Vander alone is enough for me, but I'll definitely take both if I could.

I think I'm still somewhat shellshocked by my apparently limitless capacity for adoring Magma.

I'm not.

I found Attahk as their weakest (hadn't heard Merci) when I first got into Magma, but now I really dig it. Still not my favorite or anything, but it's pretty good.

I love how it's kind of 'the CV Entertainment Special'. Also seems to have a hint of: "Finally, the drums are loud enough in the mix!" ...

Haha, yeah. I always see every Magma album as being pretty unique though; it's quite a feat to see MDK and then have something like Kohntarksoz follow right after it. I mean, they're both Magma, but they're stylistically pretty different. So it's always really hard for me to say the "best" CD (or second best or whatever).

I always love listening to samples that people give me when they're enthusiastic about music as well (and not into prog). I can usually predict exactly what the song will do for its entire duration just from the first 10 seconds. Every once in a while I'll hear something that isn't bad, but I may be a bit notorious for being a blunt person.

I'm easily approachable and helpful, but if someone wants my actual opinion (especially on a song) I'll be fully honest about it.

I'm a bit wary of damning something just because I don't like/am unfamiliar with that genre (as I certainly am with industrial type stuff!!). If you're not sure what is being aimed at, it's hard to know if it's a success or not...

I always give any music that I can tell goes beyond the regular structure at least several listens (and even then, sometimes I might have to put something away and then dig it out a month later)... if I didn't, I probably wouldn't be here.

Well I'm wondering if there might be a better venue for this conversation, if it continues. Any ideas??

I always use AIM when talking to my friends or just about anyone, as that is most convenient. I also regularly visit two other websites, but I don't know how that would help the conversation as much.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07Well,...

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:44:15 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 26 2008 at 05:44

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Well, I'm rather introverted myself, but when I usually talk to someone, it can be hard not to start talking about music. The odd thing is that when I mention music first it is in an attempt to bring up conversation and somehow relate to the person... most of the time it doesn't work.

Yes, I'm absolutely the same. Also, I'm notorious for having a song lyric quotation for every occasion.

My last somewhat musical conversation at work started out being about the maintenance people's failure to communicate, but somehow I dragged it around to The Residents and their Theory of Obscurity.

Ah, good point, haha. But I'm such a huge Magma fanboy that I'd say all of their albums (well, excluding Merci) are at least genius, and nearly all are masterpieces. So the presence of Vander alone is enough for me, but I'll definitely take both if I could.

I think I'm still somewhat shellshocked by my apparently limitless capacity for adoring Magma.

I found Attahk as their weakest (hadn't heard Merci) when I first got into Magma, but now I really dig it. Still not my favorite or anything, but it's pretty good.

I love how it's kind of 'the CV Entertainment Special'. Also seems to have a hint of: "Finally, the drums are loud enough in the mix!" ...

I always love listening to samples that people give me when they're enthusiastic about music as well (and not into prog). I can usually predict exactly what the song will do for its entire duration just from the first 10 seconds. Every once in a while I'll hear something that isn't bad, but I may be a bit notorious for being a blunt person.

I'm easily approachable and helpful, but if someone wants my actual opinion (especially on a song) I'll be fully honest about it.

I'm a bit wary of damning something just because I don't like/am unfamiliar with that genre (as I certainly am with industrial type stuff!!). If you're not sure what is being aimed at, it's hard to know if it's a success or not...

I got into them a few weeks ago and I'm extremely liking it. I have Nivraym and 2 (Ni); I also JUST got Angherr Shisspa, but I haven't heard it yet. My favorite of the two that I've owned for a while is definitely Nivraym. I love them both so it doesn't matter, but that's my personal favorite. My friend prefers Ni, so... either one would be good. Haha.

I'll surely be checking them out further in the near future...

Alright. I should be on and off tomorrow until the evening, but that doesn't really make a difference for communication here, haha. I absolutely love the internet for the simple fact that you can talk to people around the globe, and it's always really interesting talking to people from Europe or Asia simply for the time changes. As of my post it's 19:18 here.

Oh yes. Fun and interesting.

Well I'm wondering if there might be a better venue for this conversation, if it continues. Any ideas??

And don't worry, when it comes to music or anything that I ramble about, I could do it for quite a while.

Moi aussi.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:18:29 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 19:18

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

I think I need to be more 'outward' with these things! That is actually my mission for 2008...

Well, I'm rather introverted myself, but when I usually talk to someone, it can be hard not to start talking about music. The odd thing is that when I mention music first it is in an attempt to bring up conversation and somehow relate to the person... most of the time it doesn't work.

Maybe if you cultivate a basilisk stare and say 'Slaoss!!' they'll give it you for free...

That'd be awesome. If I seriously could do that, I would.

You need both! The chemistry!

Ah, good point, haha. But I'm such a huge Magma fanboy that I'd say all of their albums (well, excluding Merci) are at least genius, and nearly all are masterpieces. So the presence of Vander alone is enough for me, but I'll definitely take both if I could.

I had to rewrite my 'Attahk' review to tone down my original sneering. Didn't like it at all at first. But I often find things that are supposedly 'easier to get into'... harder to get into!

I found Attahk as their weakest (hadn't heard Merci) when I first got into Magma, but now I really dig it. Still not my favorite or anything, but it's pretty good.

If Iwas a DJ, I'd totally sneak some 'Attahk' into my set. It'd bestrangely delightful to see people dancing to Magma. Er, people otherthan me, that is!

That'd be awesome. I'm not the biggest dancer, but I'd definitely go just to see that.

I just had on something completely random - and not to my taste at all! Not sure what you'd call it - industrial goth techno??!! (Had to listen to it as a favour for someone - now see me try and come up with something to say... )

I always love listening to samples that people give me when they're enthusiastic about music as well (and not into prog). I can usually predict exactly what the song will do for its entire duration just from the first 10 seconds. Every once in a while I'll hear something that isn't bad, but I may be a bit notorious for being a blunt person.

I'm easily approachable and helpful, but if someone wants my actual opinion (especially on a song) I'll be fully honest about it.

What do you reckon to Koenjihyakkei? I'm very fond of 'Angherr Shisspa', don't have anything else yet though.

I got into them a few weeks ago and I'm extremely liking it. I have Nivraym and 2 (Ni); I also JUST got Angherr Shisspa, but I haven't heard it yet. My favorite of the two that I've owned for a while is definitely Nivraym. I love them both so it doesn't matter, but that's my personal favorite. My friend prefers Ni, so... either one would be good. Haha.

It's ok, we are too civilised to provoke anyone's wrath.

Indeed we are.

On which note, sadly, I must go to bed now. Doubtless I shall be around tomorrow though, if you can think of anything else to ramble about!

Alright. I should be on and off tomorrow until the evening, but that doesn't really make a difference for communication here, haha. I absolutely love the internet for the simple fact that you can talk to people around the globe, and it's always really interesting talking to people from Europe or Asia simply for the time changes. As of my post it's 19:18 here.

And don't worry, when it comes to music or anything that I ramble about, I could do it for quite a while.

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 25 2008 at 19:20

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Usually...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:08:20 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 18:08

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Usually though people are at least curious about what type of music I listen to... (well, I am extremely outward about letting people know that it's my passion )

I think I need to be more 'outward' with these things! That is actually my mission for 2008...

Dang though, earth dollars? Looks like I'll have to go research the Kobaian-Earth exchange rate AGAIN!

Maybe if you cultivate a basilisk stare and say 'Slaoss!!' they'll give it you for free...

I have all of Univers Zero albums. Speaking of which.... I'll need to dig those out again either today or tomorrow. Great stuff!! I should listen to them more often. I can't right now though, I'm heavily immersed in the Hhai/Live version of Kohntarkosz (Kohntark). I have it cranked.

Go Paganotti!

It's variety all the way here. This Heat followed by Todd Rundgren!

Paganotti is the man. (But not as awesome as Vander... but I'm biased)

You need both! The chemistry!

I'm still on Magma... this time it's Attahk (which is heavily underrated, IMO), but I was listening to Gentle Giant earlier today. I'm going to be on a Rush phase here soon too, I'd imagine, since I'm seeing them live in 5 days. Besides that, I have no clue what's after Magma. Maybe Koenjihyakkei or Univers Zero? Not sure yet. But as to the variety, that can happen very often with me. I'll go from listening to Porcupine Tree and then to Samla Mammas Manna.

I had to rewrite my 'Attahk' review to tone down my original sneering. Didn't like it at all at first. But I often find things that are supposedly 'easier to get into'... harder to get into! If I was a DJ, I'd totally sneak some 'Attahk' into my set. It'd be strangely delightful to see people dancing to Magma. Er, people other than me, that is!

I just had on something completely random - and not to my taste at all! Not sure what you'd call it - industrial goth techno??!! (Had to listen to it as a favour for someone - now see me try and come up with something to say... )

What do you reckon to Koenjihyakkei? I'm very fond of 'Angherr Shisspa', don't have anything else yet though.

I am enjoying it as well. Screw the forum conventions! Since when was I conventional? Ha.

*makes sure he has his armor on just in case an admin's wrath is provoked*

It's ok, we are too civilised to provoke anyone's wrath.

On which note, sadly, I must go to bed now. Doubtless I shall be around tomorrow though, if you can think of anything else to ramble about!

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Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:33:38 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 17:33

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Wow, I bet that's a good thing. Though... just knowing the way I am, I would have at least liked to see some peoples' faces.

Oh totally. Sometimes people come in and say, "Oh, that's nice, you've got music on!", but other than that...

It's odd, they are quite tolerant and not very curious!

That does seem really odd. My parents and brother know my interesting tastes... my father is the only one who also loves Rush, Kansas, Yes, and other things like that... but when it comes to Magma or Gentle Giant...

Usually though people are at least curious about what type of music I listen to... (well, I am extremely outward about letting people know that it's my passion )

Awesome! It sounds cool to me; I'm definitely adding them to my "to hear" list. However, with the loads of stuff that I have (easily over 1000 CDs), I think it might be a week or two. Since I want to hear them really badly now though, it'd be that much maximum (I hope). Too bad I just went on an acquiring spree. Dammit.

According to NaturalScience (see the 'RIO Drop-In Centre' thread...) it can be had for five of yer measly earth-dollars... but that might be 2nd-hand, I don't know...

There are lots of samples at the Present website.

Awesome!! Thanks.

Dang though, earth dollars? Looks like I'll have to go research the Kobaian-Earth exchange rate AGAIN!

I have all of Univers Zero albums. Speaking of which.... I'll need to dig those out again either today or tomorrow. Great stuff!! I should listen to them more often. I can't right now though, I'm heavily immersed in the Hhai/Live version of Kohntarkosz (Kohntark). I have it cranked.

Go Paganotti!

It's variety all the way here. This Heat followed by Todd Rundgren!

Paganotti is the man. (But not as awesome as Vander... but I'm biased)

I'm still on Magma... this time it's Attahk (which is heavily underrated, IMO), but I was listening to Gentle Giant earlier today. I'm going to be on a Rush phase here soon too, I'd imagine, since I'm seeing them live in 5 days. Besides that, I have no clue what's after Magma. Maybe Koenjihyakkei or Univers Zero? Not sure yet. But as to the variety, that can happen very often with me. I'll go from listening to Porcupine Tree and then to Samla Mammas Manna.

As for Univers Zero... all of the albums are really good. But I would go chronologically, personally (if you can).

Thanks for the tip - I expect that's what I'll do.

No problem.

Well, if I have your permission then...

Aargh, the offtopickness becomes steadily more epic... this is probably contrary to forum conventions... But I'm enjoying the conversation muchly!

I am enjoying it as well. Screw the forum conventions! Since when was I conventional? Ha.

*makes sure he has his armor on just in case an admin's wrath is provoked*

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 25 2008 at 17:37

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07Wow,...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:08:04 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 17:08

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Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:55:10 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 15:55

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

I'm doing a silversmithing course in the summer. It might be rather fun (although somewhat silly) to make one...

Woah... that would be even more wicked. Not only could you go around with a freaking awesome Magma medallion, but you could then be even more proud that you made it! If I were taking that course (which sounds really cool... now I wish I could ), I definitely would do it.

Well, if I do, you can be sure I'll be posting pictures somewhere around here!

YES! Let me know if/when you post them.

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Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:52:22 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 15:52

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Check, and check! Playlist mainstays, both.

Yay! I bet you at least get some comments on those two, I would imagine.

Not so far, although it's an old building with thick walls... very little scope for noise pollution!

Wow, I bet that's a good thing. Though... just knowing the way I am, I would have at least liked to see some peoples' faces.

Currently listening to Present, 'Triskaidekaphobie'.

Present keeps popping up to me in my daily activities. I should probably take this as a sign and start getting some of their stuff.

What do you recommend?

I'm new to them myself, just got hold of the two-albums-on-one-CD edition of 'Triskaidekaphobie' and 'Le Poison Qui Rend Fou'. I'm really liking it - it's very modern sounding for 1980s music, and although many people seem to tag it as 'sinister' and 'dark', it's not a difficult listen - more kind of sarcastic than dark, I think! And it's got a nice amount of complexity going on, without being overly-intellectual sounding. I'd imagine anyone who likes Zappa and Magma might well like it. I'll probably pick up more at some point but I want to check out Univers Zero first.

Awesome! It sounds cool to me; I'm definitely adding them to my "to hear" list. However, with the loads of stuff that I have (easily over 1000 CDs), I think it might be a week or two. Since I want to hear them really badly now though, it'd be that much maximum (I hope). Too bad I just went on an acquiring spree. Dammit.

I have all of Univers Zero albums. Speaking of which.... I'll need to dig those out again either today or tomorrow. Great stuff!! I should listen to them more often. I can't right now though, I'm heavily immersed in the Hhai/Live version of Kohntarkosz (Kohntark). I have it cranked.

As for Univers Zero... all of the albums are really good. But I would go chronologically, personally (if you can).

I love how I've pretty much strayed off topic in several different directions in this thread now.

And why not indeed?! I'm not complaining...

Well, if I have your permission then...

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 25 2008 at 15:53

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Originally...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:38:14 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 14:38

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Well, if I do, you can be sure I'll be posting pictures somewhere around here!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Man, that...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:51:01 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 13:51

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Man,that makes me wish I was working at that same place you were; we couldhave music wars (whoever notices our music the most and gets pissed atit the most... that's always fun). I would love bringing thingslike Magma- "Kohntarkosz", Gentle Giant- "Interview", Soft Machine-"Third", Captain Beefheart- "Trout Mask Replica", King Crimson-"Discipline", and many other favorites of mine to work.

Check, and check! Playlist mainstays, both.

Yay! I bet you at least get some comments on those two, I would imagine.

Not so far, although it's an old building with thick walls... very little scope for noise pollution!

Currently listening to Present, 'Triskaidekaphobie'.

Present keeps popping up to me in my daily activities. I should probably take this as a sign and start getting some of their stuff.

What do you recommend?

I'm new to them myself, just got hold of the two-albums-on-one-CD edition of 'Triskaidekaphobie' and 'Le Poison Qui Rend Fou'. I'm really liking it - it's very modern sounding for 1980s music, and although many people seem to tag it as 'sinister' and 'dark', it's not a difficult listen - more kind of sarcastic than dark, I think! And it's got a nice amount of complexity going on, without being overly-intellectual sounding. I'd imagine anyone who likes Zappa and Magma might well like it. I'll probably pick up more at some point but I want to check out Univers Zero first.

I love how I've pretty much strayed off topic in several different directions in this thread now.

And why not indeed?! I'm not complaining...

Edited by song_of_copper - June 25 2008 at 13:52

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:26:41 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 11:26

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Oooh... I love how colorful these posts are getting.

Getting a migraine yet??

No, but my eyes are not thanking me.

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Yes!!That is also deserving of some sort of commemoration, haha. Just thefact that you can play that album while you're working... I'd neverleave that job! (Well, it depends)

It's a pretty ok place. My work's quite dull, hence my ability to concentrate on it whilst music is playing (not to mention post messages on here...), but the people are... eccentric. (Who am I to talk - I'm one of 'em...)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I listen to music very often though, and most of the time I'm able to concentrate on something while listening to music (it may depend on what it is).

If I had an environment like that, I would definitelybring in different music every day... I'd probably spend 30 minutes athome a day just deciding which kickass CD to bring the next day.

Man,that makes me wish I was working at that same place you were; we couldhave music wars (whoever notices our music the most and gets pissed atit the most... that's always fun). I would love bringing thingslike Magma- "Kohntarkosz", Gentle Giant- "Interview", Soft Machine-"Third", Captain Beefheart- "Trout Mask Replica", King Crimson-"Discipline", and many other favorites of mine to work.

Check, and check! Playlist mainstays, both.

Yay! I bet you at least get some comments on those two, I would imagine.

Currently listening to Present, 'Triskaidekaphobie'.

Present keeps popping up to me in my daily activities. I should probably take this as a sign and start getting some of their stuff.

What do you recommend?

I love how I've pretty much strayed off topic in several different directions in this thread now.

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 25 2008 at 11:28

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Oooh......

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:58:08 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 10:58

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Oooh... I love how colorful these posts are getting.

Getting a migraine yet??

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

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The joy of having an office to yourself is that you can play whatever music you like, so the playlist is just as awesome as the pictures. The other day I put on 'Weasels Ripped My Flesh' - and nobody noticed!

Yes!!That is also deserving of some sort of commemoration, haha. Just thefact that you can play that album while you're working... I'd neverleave that job! (Well, it depends)

It's a pretty ok place. My work's quite dull, hence my ability to concentrate on it whilst music is playing (not to mention post messages on here...), but the people are... eccentric. (Who am I to talk - I'm one of 'em...)

If I had an environment like that, I would definitelybring in different music every day... I'd probably spend 30 minutes athome a day just deciding which kickass CD to bring the next day.

Man,that makes me wish I was working at that same place you were; we couldhave music wars (whoever notices our music the most and gets pissed atit the most... that's always fun). I would love bringing thingslike Magma- "Kohntarkosz", Gentle Giant- "Interview", Soft Machine-"Third", Captain Beefheart- "Trout Mask Replica", King Crimson-"Discipline", and many other favorites of mine to work.

Check, and check! Playlist mainstays, both.

Currently listening to Present, 'Triskaidekaphobie'.

Thatsounds incredibly epic. Though I'm probably the only person I know whowould think that (except two of my friends, and of course the finepeople here on PA ).

Epic indeed! Epic is good!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Oooh... I love how colorful...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:34:25 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 10:34

Oooh... I love how colorful these posts are getting.

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Haha,I haven't detected a pinch of idiocy in any of your posts; they seemwell-thought out and they're always very interesting to read.

Thanks! 'Mutant appreciation' heading your way of course...

No problem.

OMG! That's really awesome! *bows to you since that's one of the most awesome things I've ever heard* I'll need to do something like that.

And now I'm being bowed to!! Heavens! It is awesome, of course, that you find that awesome... Most people would probably be wondering why I have a rogues' gallery of *bad 1970s hair* on my wall...

Haha, no, I'm one of those extremely few people who thinks that's just about one of the coolest possible thing ever. I would definitely hang pictures of Vander, Peart, Bruford, and many other completely awesome people, haha.

The joy of having an office to yourself is that you can play whatever music you like, so the playlist is just as awesome as the pictures. The other day I put on 'Weasels Ripped My Flesh' - and nobody noticed!

Yes!!That is also deserving of some sort of commemoration, haha. Just thefact that you can play that album while you're working... I'd neverleave that job! (Well, it depends)

If I had an environment like that, I would definitelybring in different music every day... I'd probably spend 30 minutes athome a day just deciding which kickass CD to bring the next day.

Man,that makes me wish I was working at that same place you were; we couldhave music wars (whoever notices our music the most and gets pissed atit the most... that's always fun). I would love bringing thingslike Magma- "Kohntarkosz", Gentle Giant- "Interview", Soft Machine-"Third", Captain Beefheart- "Trout Mask Replica", King Crimson-"Discipline", and many other favorites of mine to work.

Thatsounds incredibly epic. Though I'm probably the only person I know whowould think that (except two of my friends, and of course the finepeople here on PA ).

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 25 2008 at 10:35

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copperThe...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:24:48 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 10:24

Originally posted by song_of_copper

The Seventh website has 'em (along with various other bric-�-brac and sundries!): here

Yay, thanks!! Now I know they exist. I will get something... somehow...

I so want the MDK score.

I'm doing a silversmithing course in the summer. It might be rather fun (although somewhat silly) to make one...

Woah... that would be even more wicked. Not only could you go around with a freaking awesome Magma medallion, but you could then be even more proud that you made it! If I were taking that course (which sounds really cool... now I wish I could ), I definitely would do it.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Originally...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:05:21 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 10:05

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

I'm starting to like it here too. Of course, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about most of the time, I'm only just dipping my toe into all this music... and I have the suspicion that I confirm my general idiocy in every post... but it's fun nonetheless!

Haha,I haven't detected a pinch of idiocy in any of your posts; they seemwell-thought out and they're always very interesting to read.

Thanks! 'Mutant appreciation' heading your way of course...

[Snippety snip]

[General Descent into Fanaticism update: I now have a picture of Magma on my pinboard at work. Vander's eyes really do follow you around the room... I hope the cleaner won't die of fright. ]

OMG! That's really awesome! *bows to you since that's one of the most awesome things I've ever heard* I'll need to do something like that.

And now I'm being bowed to!! Heavens! It is awesome, of course, that you find that awesome... Most people would probably be wondering why I have a rogues' gallery of *bad 1970s hair* on my wall...

The joy of having an office to yourself is that you can play whatever music you like, so the playlist is just as awesome as the pictures. The other day I put on 'Weasels Ripped My Flesh' - and nobody noticed!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by M27BarneyGood...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:41:34 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 09:41

Originally posted by M27Barney

Good post Miss M, can't place your taste with mine because I have never lent an ear to Zappa nor Magma, which is unfortunate, but I have such a big CD collection, that I possibly have over a hundred that I have only listened to once, and another century of listened two twice amd I reckon I must have two dozen waiting for me to listen to ONCE!

I probably won't be happy till my entire house is stacked from floor to ceiling with prog CD's....

But in essence my taste is for Excellent Muscianship and EXTENDED theme and multiple repetition of themes, thus SYMPHONIC PROG usually hits the mark, and I'll let you guess my three favourite bands.......

Ciao.

Thanks, glad you liked it!

I'm not the best person to make a guess, because I'm pretty clueless about most prog really... but I suppose Yes is always a safe bet?!

I've heard of people having to move house to accommodate their collections of stuff (not necessarily CDs), so you're not alone on the out-of-control collection...

Mine is relatively free of things I've not listened to yet/only heard once or twice, but that's because I'm a very sceptical customer...!

Edited by song_of_copper - June 25 2008 at 09:53

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Man,...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:45:39 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 05:45

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Man, that reminds me of just how badly I want a Zeuhl medallion.

Oh well, at least I have the shirt.

(Seriously though--to any hardcore Zeuhlhead who might be happening to look at this thread or anyone else who would know---if someone finds somewhere where I can get one, that'd be wicked as hell... I haven't had any luck, haha)

The Seventh website has 'em (along with various other bric-�-brac and sundries!): here

I so want the MDK score.

I'm doing a silversmithing course in the summer. It might be rather fun (although somewhat silly) to make one...

Pinning down your personal taste! : Good post Miss M, can't place...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:09:26 +0000

Author: M27Barney
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 25 2008 at 05:09

Good post Miss M, can't place your taste with mine because I have never lent an ear to Zappa nor Magma, which is unfortunate, but I have such a big CD collection, that I possibly have over a hundred that I have only listened to once, and another century of listened two twice amd I reckon I must have two dozen waiting for me to listen to ONCE!

I probably won't be happy till my entire house is stacked from floor to ceiling with prog CD's....

Ciao.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:54:31 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:54

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by darqDean

...and just hope they're dumb enough to aim for the vest

'Salright, I'll just round up a bunch of really mean Magma fanatics to act as my bodyguards.

Ooooh!! Me first!! Anything for the Almighty Vander!!

Ok, but you must bring your own leather overcoat and Zeuhl medallion.

Man, that reminds me of just how badly I want a Zeuhl medallion.

Oh well, at least I have the shirt.

(Seriously though--to any hardcore Zeuhlhead who might be happening to look at this thread or anyone else who would know---if someone finds somewhere where I can get one, that'd be wicked as hell... I haven't had any luck, haha)

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 24 2008 at 17:55

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copperI'm...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:52:59 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:52

Originally posted by song_of_copper

I'm starting to like it here too. Of course, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about most of the time, I'm only just dipping my toe into all this music... and I have the suspicion that I confirm my general idiocy in every post... but it's fun nonetheless!

Haha,I haven't detected a pinch of idiocy in any of your posts; they seemwell-thought out and they're always very interesting to read.

I'vebeen on this site unofficially for 2 or 3 years now, easily, and Istill know there are grounds I haven't discovered--But I love it thatway. I grew to like some more sub-genres since then for sure too--Iused to be heavily into Symphonic Prog, but now I have about equalknowledge of alot of them. I never was much of a metalhead eitherbefore I found this site... but ironically, I'm listening to Opethright now, and loving it.

I'm happy you hijacked the thread... it's turning into a conversation!

Well, thanks! It's about time my music-rambling skills came in handy.

[General Descent into Fanaticism update: I now have a picture of Magma on my pinboard at work. Vander's eyes really do follow you around the room... I hope the cleaner won't die of fright. ]

OMG! That's really awesome! *bows to you since that's one of the most awesome things I've ever heard* I'll need to do something like that.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by darqDean^...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:00:39 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:00

Originally posted by darqDean

^ I guess I'm one of those rare people who has never fallen out of love... If I've loved something (or someone) at sometime in my life then I still do in someway or other.

Sort of the same for me, I think. There are things that I don't listen to as often nowadays as I used to, perhaps - but that doesn't mean I don't still rate them very highly. (And some of 'em are so ingrained on my brain from repeated listening that it's almost easier to remember than actually listen again... )

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:48:45 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:48

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by darqDean

...and just hope they're dumb enough to aim for the vest

'Salright, I'll just round up a bunch of really mean Magma fanatics to act as my bodyguards.

Ooooh!! Me first!! Anything for the Almighty Vander!!

Ok, but you must bring your own leather overcoat and Zeuhl medallion.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:47:07 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:47

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Er, maybe a suit of armour...

(That thing you didn't say... of course I couldn't possibly comment... )

*runs up to attic storage* Now where did I put that armor...?

I love ProgArchives. A place where people actually understand when I make music jokes or references, and especially those who understand the consequence of my "heresies"; it's so wonderful. It's even better when I find someone who agrees with me on them.

(Like how I don't like Pink Floyd, think Magma is the greatest thing ever--yes, better than Yes or Genesis, *gasp*--, or absolutely love Rush's and King Crimson's 1980s stuff to death )

EDIT: Maybe I should stop hijacking your thread now.

I'm starting to like it here too. Of course, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about most of the time, I'm only just dipping my toe into all this music... and I have the suspicion that I confirm my general idiocy in every post... but it's fun nonetheless!

I'm happy you hijacked the thread... it's turning into a conversation!

[General Descent into Fanaticism update: I now have a picture of Magma on my pinboard at work. Vander's eyes really do follow you around the room... I hope the cleaner won't die of fright. ]

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:39:13 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:39

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by darqDean

...and just hope they're dumb enough to aim for the vest

'Salright, I'll just round up a bunch of really mean Magma fanatics to act as my bodyguards.

Ooooh!! Me first!! Anything for the Almighty Vander!!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by darqDean...and...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:37:30 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:37

Originally posted by darqDean

...and just hope they're dumb enough to aim for the vest

'Salright, I'll just round up a bunch of really mean Magma fanatics to act as my bodyguards.

it's okay not to like Floyd, or any band - all tastes are different.

Good thing too. Never having to defend one's opinion... it'd be dull!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:32:41 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:32

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Haha, well, I shall have to make sure to wear my bullet proof vest in future!

I already do. I would wear like 10 though if I also didn't like Genesis or Porcupine Tree.

(*cough*Magma > Genesis*cough*)

....I didn't say that!!

Er, maybe a suit of armour...

(That thing you didn't say... of course I couldn't possibly comment... )

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:27:49 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:27

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Haha, well, I shall have to make sure to wear my bullet proof vest in future!

I already do. I would wear like 10 though if I also didn't like Genesis or Porcupine Tree.

(*cough*Magma > Genesis*cough*)

....I didn't say that!!

Er, maybe a suit of armour...

(That thing you didn't say... of course I couldn't possibly comment... )

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by darqDean^...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:27:36 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:27

Originally posted by darqDean

^ I guess I'm one of those rare people who has never fallen out of love... If I've loved something (or someone) at sometime in my life then I still do in someway or other.

I hardly ever "grow out" of something, but in the case of some music, my tastes have rapidly developed in the last 4 years. Because of that, there will be artists I like more or less than I used to, but I'll still love them.

However, I do have that occasional band that I liked but then after a certain time just don't hit me the same. I suppose I never did truly "love" their music, or else it would have stayed with me. That's my theory anyway.

Pinning down your personal taste! : ^ I guess I'm one of those...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:00:07 +0000

Author: Dean
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 16:00

^ I guess I'm one of those rare people who has never fallen out of love... If I've loved something (or someone) at sometime in my life then I still do in someway or other.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:45:05 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 15:45

Originally posted by darqDean

it's okay not to like Floyd, or any band - all tastes are different.

Haha, never were there more true words, but I sometimes wonder if people realize that...

I'm generally pretty open-minded to any type/sub-genre of progressive music, but PF doesn't do it for me anymore. I had the same thing happen with The Moody Blues... And also, when I first heard Spock's Beard I liked them alot too, but that wore off pretty quickly. The Flower Kings are more my type for that kind of stuff, but I always recognize the impact and position of the bands, despite that they just aren't as much to my taste.

But being a huge Porcupine Tree fan, whenever I find someone else who is as well, they'll ask me if I like Pink Floyd. I'll say that "I used to, but don't really listen to them anymore", and they'll give me the most bizarre looks. It's great.

EDIT: Typo. I'm way too perfectionist about these things.

Edited by MovingPictures07 - June 24 2008 at 15:54

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:42:32 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 15:42

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Y'know, I should probably keep my mouth shut on this, but I really don't like Pink Floyd. Not that I think their music is bad, exactly - but it makes me feel creepy. I can't stand to hear it, physically or psychologically... Unfortunately, it's my boyfriend's favourite band. Meanwhile, he loathes Magma - for exactly the same reason! It's a happy home...

Well, I'm glad I found someone else. I liked them 3 or 4 years ago, but I don't like them at all anymore. Saying that out loud on here though is like going in the middle of a really rough neighbourhood and purposefully picking out fights. You might just get shot.

Haha, well, I shall have to make sure to wear my bullet proof vest in future!

I already do. I would wear like 10 though if I also didn't like Genesis or Porcupine Tree.

(*cough*Magma > Genesis*cough*)

....I didn't say that!!

Pinning down your personal taste! : ...and just hope they'redumb...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:02:34 +0000

Author: Dean
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 15:02

...and just hope they're dumb enough to aim for the vest

it's okay not to like Floyd, or any band - all tastes are different.

Edited by darqDean - June 24 2008 at 15:12

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07 Originally...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:43:56 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:43

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Haha, well, I shall have to make sure to wear my bullet proof vest in future!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:48:20 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 23 2008 at 23:48

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Very interesting thread. I think it's about time I weighed in my 2 cents.

Thanks, your cents (both of 'em) are much appreciated!

No problem.

My father showed me Rush roughly four years ago; before that I always liked music but wasn't heavily involved with it. After I got into Rush (through their 80s albums and 2112, actually), it's been quite a roller coaster ever since, and music is definitely my passion. Over time I've increasingly become more and more open to different kinds of music, but I'd say music has to have some sort of recognizable substance (many others here would agree), or else I won't enjoy it.

'Substance': that's an interesting word. And quite open to interpretation. But I guess you mean that 'disposable' music - half-hearted music, indeed - is not for you. I have to say I agree.

Yes, entirely. I will not listen to music that I think was half-hearted or music that simply copies what has been done before... that being said, I'm really open to anything.

More specifically, my top 5 include: Rush, Magma, Frank Zappa, Ozric Tentacles, and King Crimson. So I'd say my all-time favorites are open to quite a spectrum, but the music has to be dynamic. The only two prog bands I've really grown out of (that I used to love) have been Pink Floyd and The Moody Blues, so I'd say once I really did find my taste I like music that is incredibly unique, dynamic, and has some degree of at least substantial musicianship. Other bands I love though range from Meshuggah to 3 to Return to Forever to Kansas to Henry Cow, so I'd say when it comes to an actual "sub-genre" I'm not really biased.

Well, we have two of our top five in common. And they are probably the top two for me. And the two who most strike a very personal chord with me...

Dynamic is a good word also. Range and drama in music attracts me greatly too.

Y'know, I should probably keep my mouth shut on this, but I really don't like Pink Floyd. Not that I think their music is bad, exactly - but it makes me feel creepy. I can't stand to hear it, physically or psychologically... Unfortunately, it's my boyfriend's favourite band. Meanwhile, he loathes Magma - for exactly the same reason! It's a happy home...

Well, I'm glad I found someone else. I liked them 3 or 4 years ago, but I don't like them at all anymore. Saying that out loud on here though is like going in the middle of a really rough neighbourhood and purposefully picking out fights. You might just get shot.

To me, listening to music is like undergoing a completely innovative, pre-constructed "journey" that the composer(s) constructed with certain emotions, thoughts, and structures in mind. It's almost like a process of transposing your current reality and trying to completely immerse yourself in the art. If music is truly worth my time, it will make me feel and think outside of a box that I have before. The more that music strikes me personally, the more that I'll enjoy it.

That's a pretty good description. I don't think it's possible to truly enjoy music without some kind of empathy - you have to care about the 'journey' you're being taken on I suppose - and the best moments in music, for me, are the ones when you feel like the composer read your mind.

(nothing to add, perfectly stated)

A great example of this is Frank Zappa, of whom I'm definitely an infinitely large fanboy. I love how he put all of his constant soul, thoughts, and emotions into his music and really stretched the pre-conceived idea of what music has to be "contained" in. I love expressing new boundaries of musical expression, and Frank never lets me down. He takes everything in his life incredibly seriously, but he also knew when to have fun, use wonderful satire, and his music is the absolute perfect blend of a great, humorous, yet simultaneously serious and thought-provoking look on life. In summary, the music has to be intellectually stimulating, fresh, and full of emotions and what I call the "soul" of the artist. I'll only enjoy music if I believe I can almost have a conversation with whoever is playing the instruments and created the music. Thankfully, since I came across this site about three years ago, I've found that there are seemingly endless loads of music that can fulfill that.

Nuff said. Frank Zappa made the impossible look easy, whilst never obscuring the sheer effort he put into everything. And I love that combination of imaginative flights of fancy with practical common sense. I'm probably a little spoiled by having FZ as my musical yardstick... yet another reason for 'quality over quantity' on my CD and LP shelves! [Edit... duh... NOT 'quantity over quality'... ]

Again I like what you say about 'having a conversation' with the musicians - oh yes, you've got to feel the uniqueness, and the genuineness, coming across! Absolutely.

In fact, I forgot to put in my original post that PERSONALITY is a big deal for me in music. Not that I can't listen to music made by boring people, but I only ever really get absorbed in music which is made by people who intrigue me. It helps to have that tangible humanity there, as you say. And really, nothing bores me more than people taking a kind of pride in their own 'averageness'. Give me a vain, flamboyant genius any day! In fact, give me at least two, so I can feel really spoiled!

Personality is a huge factor for me too (what the hell, it's almost like you read my freaking mind ), and I love experiencing the wide array of different personalities that I call my favorites. Being a drummer, the fact that my idols are Neil Peart, Christian Vander, and Bill Bruford says that I'm pretty open-minded, but it's also an indication that they all have vibrant personalities when they're playing (for me, anyway, I feel like I can fully connect with them when they're playing their music). If an artist can't "connect" to me with a personal touch in the music, it's not bound to reach my favorites.

Well, enough of my rambling; someone make sense of that.

I enjoyed your rambling sir! Well rambled indeed!

Thank you. It's what I do.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by NaturalScienceTechnical...

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:14:40 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:14

Originally posted by NaturalScience

Technical - with qualifiers
Weird and quirky - with qualifiers
Atmosphere -with qualifiers

My personal tastes, of course, trend towards those artists who display excellent musicianship, and I'm drawn to the usual prog metrics of odd time signatures and such, but I also have trouble with bands that don't inject some...humanity into the mix, for lack of a better term. My tastes of late are trending towards artists that even many prog fans might find a bit "out there" - but I know I have a limit for this, an artist that is too noisy will most likely not be one that I can necessarily appreciate. I like plenty of atmosphere, of the kind that prog will often times institute with keyboard work (i.e. one of my favorites Rick Wakeman's work on Tales from Topographic Oceans), but again too much in that direction (Schulze or TD)...I'm not familiar enough with the work in the genre to be definitive, but I'm not sure it'll really be my thing. One concrete thing I've noticed is that I really, really love music with a jazzy feel (if it's not just jazz or JR/fusion, of course)

Haha, 'out there' is good. Try as I might, I can't get away from odd music. There's plenty of stuff that's more 'difficult' than my favourites, but most of what I like is eccentric in some way...

Yep, too much noise isn't great for me either. And I think that's one of the things that comes under the heading of 'discipline' for me. I like music that's controlled - has boundaries. Can't stand flabby, unfocused, airy-fairy type stuff - I like an all-powerful (evil?) genius in charge, with everything so tight that the music could turn on a dime... Psychedelic noodling: no thanks!! And just blaring out an ungrammatical noise... well, anything can be music, if someone thinks it is, but... hmm...

I think your three prerequisites go pretty well together to balance everything out: you don't want precision without any idiosyncracies/personality, or without any feeling; you don't want unfocused/impersonal weirdness for its own sake alone; and you don't want just 'atmosphere' (emotional manipulation; or thinking about it another way, style/mood) without substance and structure.

I've also begun to wonder about my 'darkness' threshold. (Thinking about 'atmosphere' again...) I hate horror movies/books etc., and I'm pretty sunny of disposition (just call me Pollyanna!), but all the things I've become drawn to musically of late (well, almost all) seem to have a slightly sinister aroma. No idea where that's come from.

Haha, next thing you know I'm going to start wearing a corset!*

[*Most unlikely.]

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MovingPictures07Very...

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:47:32 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 23 2008 at 16:47

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

Very interesting thread. I think it's about time I weighed in my 2 cents.

Thanks, your cents (both of 'em) are much appreciated!

My father showed me Rush roughly four years ago; before that I always liked music but wasn't heavily involved with it. After I got into Rush (through their 80s albums and 2112, actually), it's been quite a roller coaster ever since, and music is definitely my passion. Over time I've increasingly become more and more open to different kinds of music, but I'd say music has to have some sort of recognizable substance (many others here would agree), or else I won't enjoy it.

'Substance': that's an interesting word. And quite open to interpretation. But I guess you mean that 'disposable' music - half-hearted music, indeed - is not for you. I have to say I agree.

More specifically, my top 5 include: Rush, Magma, Frank Zappa, Ozric Tentacles, and King Crimson. So I'd say my all-time favorites are open to quite a spectrum, but the music has to be dynamic. The only two prog bands I've really grown out of (that I used to love) have been Pink Floyd and The Moody Blues, so I'd say once I really did find my taste I like music that is incredibly unique, dynamic, and has some degree of at least substantial musicianship. Other bands I love though range from Meshuggah to 3 to Return to Forever to Kansas to Henry Cow, so I'd say when it comes to an actual "sub-genre" I'm not really biased.

Well, we have two of our top five in common. And they are probably the top two for me. And the two who most strike a very personal chord with me...

Dynamic is a good word also. Range and drama in music attracts me greatly too.

Y'know, I should probably keep my mouth shut on this, but I really don't like Pink Floyd. Not that I think their music is bad, exactly - but it makes me feel creepy. I can't stand to hear it, physically or psychologically... Unfortunately, it's my boyfriend's favourite band. Meanwhile, he loathes Magma - for exactly the same reason! It's a happy home...

To me, listening to music is like undergoing a completely innovative, pre-constructed "journey" that the composer(s) constructed with certain emotions, thoughts, and structures in mind. It's almost like a process of transposing your current reality and trying to completely immerse yourself in the art. If music is truly worth my time, it will make me feel and think outside of a box that I have before. The more that music strikes me personally, the more that I'll enjoy it.

That's a pretty good description. I don't think it's possible to truly enjoy music without some kind of empathy - you have to care about the 'journey' you're being taken on I suppose - and the best moments in music, for me, are the ones when you feel like the composer read your mind.

A great example of this is Frank Zappa, of whom I'm definitely an infinitely large fanboy. I love how he put all of his constant soul, thoughts, and emotions into his music and really stretched the pre-conceived idea of what music has to be "contained" in. I love expressing new boundaries of musical expression, and Frank never lets me down. He takes everything in his life incredibly seriously, but he also knew when to have fun, use wonderful satire, and his music is the absolute perfect blend of a great, humorous, yet simultaneously serious and thought-provoking look on life. In summary, the music has to be intellectually stimulating, fresh, and full of emotions and what I call the "soul" of the artist. I'll only enjoy music if I believe I can almost have a conversation with whoever is playing the instruments and created the music. Thankfully, since I came across this site about three years ago, I've found that there are seemingly endless loads of music that can fulfill that.

Nuff said. Frank Zappa made the impossible look easy, whilst never obscuring the sheer effort he put into everything. And I love that combination of imaginative flights of fancy with practical common sense. I'm probably a little spoiled by having FZ as my musical yardstick... yet another reason for 'quality over quantity' on my CD and LP shelves! [Edit... duh... NOT 'quantity over quality'... ]

Again I like what you say about 'having a conversation' with the musicians - oh yes, you've got to feel the uniqueness, and the genuineness, coming across! Absolutely.

In fact, I forgot to put in my original post that PERSONALITY is a big deal for me in music. Not that I can't listen to music made by boring people, but I only ever really get absorbed in music which is made by people who intrigue me. It helps to have that tangible humanity there, as you say. And really, nothing bores me more than people taking a kind of pride in their own 'averageness'. Give me a vain, flamboyant genius any day! In fact, give me at least two, so I can feel really spoiled!

Well, enough of my rambling; someone make sense of that.

I enjoyed your rambling sir! Well rambled indeed!

Edited by song_of_copper - June 23 2008 at 17:22

Pinning down your personal taste! : Technical - with qualifiersWeird...

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:50:58 +0000

Author: Padraic
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 23 2008 at 13:50

Technical - with qualifiers
Weird and quirky - with qualifiers
Atmosphere -with qualifiers

My personal tastes, of course, trend towards those artists who display excellent musicianship, and I'm drawn to the usual prog metrics of odd time signatures and such, but I also have trouble with bands that don't inject some...humanity into the mix, for lack of a better term. My tastes of late are trending towards artists that even many prog fans might find a bit "out there" - but I know I have a limit for this, an artist that is too noisy will most likely not be one that I can necessarily appreciate. I like plenty of atmosphere, of the kind that prog will often times institute with keyboard work (i.e. one of my favorites Rick Wakeman's work on Tales from Topographic Oceans), but again too much in that direction (Schulze or TD)...I'm not familiar enough with the work in the genre to be definitive, but I'm not sure it'll really be my thing. One concrete thing I've noticed is that I really, really love music with a jazzy feel (if it's not just jazz or JR/fusion, of course)

Pinning down your personal taste! : Very interesting thread. I think...

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:27:50 +0000

Author: MovingPictures07
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 23 2008 at 13:27

Very interesting thread. I think it's about time I weighed in my 2 cents.

My father showed me Rush roughly four years ago; before that I always liked music but wasn't heavily involved with it. After I got into Rush (through their 80s albums and 2112, actually), it's been quite a roller coaster ever since, and music is definitely my passion. Over time I've increasingly become more and more open to different kinds of music, but I'd say music has to have some sort of recognizable substance (many others here would agree), or else I won't enjoy it.

More specifically, my top 5 include: Rush, Magma, Frank Zappa, Ozric Tentacles, and King Crimson. So I'd say my all-time favorites are open to quite a spectrum, but the music has to be dynamic. The only two prog bands I've really grown out of (that I used to love) have been Pink Floyd and The Moody Blues, so I'd say once I really did find my taste I like music that is incredibly unique, dynamic, and has some degree of at least substantial musicianship. Other bands I love though range from Meshuggah to 3 to Return to Forever to Kansas to Henry Cow, so I'd say when it comes to an actual "sub-genre" I'm not really biased.

To me, listening to music is like undergoing a completely innovative, pre-constructed "journey" that the composer(s) constructed with certain emotions, thoughts, and structures in mind. It's almost like a process of transposing your current reality and trying to completely immerse yourself in the art. If music is truly worth my time, it will make me feel and think outside of a box that I have before. The more that music strikes me personally, the more that I'll enjoy it.

A great example of this is Frank Zappa, of whom I'm definitely an infinitely large fanboy. I love how he put all of his constant soul, thoughts, and emotions into his music and really stretched the pre-conceived idea of what music has to be "contained" in. I love expressing new boundaries of musical expression, and Frank never lets me down. He takes everything in his life incredibly seriously, but he also knew when to have fun, use wonderful satire, and his music is the absolute perfect blend of a great, humorous, yet simultaneously serious and thought-provoking look on life. In summary, the music has to be intellectually stimulating, fresh, and full of emotions and what I call the "soul" of the artist. I'll only enjoy music if I believe I can almost have a conversation with whoever is playing the instruments and created the music. Thankfully, since I came across this site about three years ago, I've found that there are seemingly endless loads of music that can fulfill that.

Well, enough of my rambling; someone make sense of that.

Pinning down your personal taste! : I think I like music that no one...

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:12:14 +0000

Author: Fuzzy OneThree
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 19 2008 at 00:12

I think I like music that no one else can make the same. It is really present in my prog (Tool, Radiohead, ELP, etc.) and even my non-prog (Incubus, APC, even Enimem).

Pinning down your personal taste! : Interesting.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:53:17 +0000

Author: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 18 2008 at 07:53

Interesting.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by ShakespeareYeah,...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:43:44 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 18 2008 at 06:43

Originally posted by Shakespeare

Yeah, aloof is a good word 'cause it can mean a lot.

Another good word for me is otherworldly.

Yes indeed, another excellent one! Music (or any ideas-stuff) that brings into sharp relief a totally alternative perspective on things often leaves the deepest marks, I suppose. Alongside 'otherworldliness' I think 'bigger-than-the-world-ness' (forgive the clumsy coinage!) works pretty well too - something that takes the spotlight away from the petty everyday concerns of some whiner's romance problems (for example), and pulls the focus out onto the bigger picture...

And again I'm reminded of that interesting moment that you get with music (etc.) sometimes, where all of a sudden, some private idea, thought or feeling that you assumed put you in a minority of one, is being perfectly expressed - better than you could ever do it - in someone else's creative work.

Eep, yikes, don't get me started. I could begin to be very longwinded and whimsical here!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by Bluesaga Originally...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:30:25 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 18 2008 at 06:30

Originally posted by Bluesaga

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MikeDupont

How could I have forgoten? Perhaps the most diciplined band of them all.. CAN!

Another very perceptive suggestion... I have to say that I've rather avoided Krautrock up till now - there seems to be so much of it, and I get weary thinking about the vastness of it... Still, at least now I know where to start, if the urge takes me!

Can are fantastic indeed. I started with Tago Mago, which may or may not be a good choice. Now that I am more experienced, I think that Soundtracks might be the best starting place. It demonstrates the styles of Malcom Mooney and Damo Suzuki Can, which are very different. It's also relatively accessible compared to the rest of their discography, Future Days would be good if you want something more mellowed out and electric. Tago Mago is one of my favorite albums ever though, so many musical horizons packed in the double LP, I believe they could have expanded any one of those songs and made it into an entire album in itself. From the ominous chanting on Augmn, the psychedelic landscapes of Paperhouse, the pure weirdness of Peking O, etc.... don't want to ramble.

Helpful detail - thank you! I must say that where 'musical entry points' are concerned, I'm steadfastly of the 'plunge right in to the most outrageous/representative/best stuff first' school... 'easing in gently' doesn't work too well for me, somehow. Still not sure whether I'm going to like this, though... we'll see!

Neu! and Amon Duul II are other obvious recommendations. Neu! is more electronic sounding, Amon Duul II is more psychedelic. Avoid Neu! 2 at first, since the debut and 75 are much better. For Amon Duul, I find Phallus Dei to be their best work, Yeti and Tanz der Lemminge contained a bit too much improv jamming for my liking at first, plus as double albums they took longer to digest. Wolf City is accessible, catchy at times in fact, that might be a good place to start although Phallus Dei is a better idea of Krautrock.

Coincidentally, I downloaded Neu! just the other day. My first impression was something like, "hmm, this is quite pleasant... now, what's with all these water-gurgling noises..." - note to self: next time, concentrate, don't try to read, think and listen to unfamiliar music at the same time!

[snip!]

Anyway, that's enough typing for now, I don't think I've typed that much in a single post in ages. :P
Thanks again, it was an interesting read!

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:03:29 +0000

Author: Shakespeare
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:03

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by Shakespeare

I like music that is aloof.

Now that's an interesting one. Aloof... that could mean, I suppose, something that rewards perseverance, that many people will remain nonplussed by even after a reasonable exposure to it. Something that doesn't openly display its fantasticness to all-comers. Or just something that's apart from everything else - not necessarily elitist/exclusive (but perhaps that too!)... something unique.

I think I like things that strike a chord with my own personal eccentricities. 'Being aloof together', so to speak...

Yeah, aloof is a good word 'cause it can mean a lot.

Another good word for me is otherworldly.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Still thinking...for now let's...

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:02:41 +0000

Author: Padraic
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 17 2008 at 21:02

Still thinking...for now let's just say my taste is whatever James and Dylan tell me to listen to.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by ShakespeareI...

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:39:42 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 17 2008 at 19:39

Originally posted by Shakespeare

I like music that is aloof.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by song_of_copper Originally...

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:14:38 +0000

Author: Mikerinos
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 17 2008 at 19:14

Originally posted by song_of_copper

Originally posted by MikeDupont

How could I have forgoten? Perhaps the most diciplined band of them all.. CAN!

Can are fantastic indeed. I started with Tago Mago, which may or may not be a good choice. Now that I am more experienced, I think that Soundtracks might be the best starting place. It demonstrates the styles of Malcom Mooney and Damo Suzuki Can, which are very different. It's also relatively accessible compared to the rest of their discography, Future Days would be good if you want something more mellowed out and electric. Tago Mago is one of my favorite albums ever though, so many musical horizons packed in the double LP, I believe they could have expanded any one of those songs and made it into an entire album in itself. From the ominous chanting on Augmn, the psychedelic landscapes of Paperhouse, the pure weirdness of Peking O, etc.... don't want to ramble.

Neu! and Amon Duul II are other obvious recommendations. Neu! is more electronic sounding, Amon Duul II is more psychedelic. Avoid Neu! 2 at first, since the debut and 75 are much better. For Amon Duul, I find Phallus Dei to be their best work, Yeti and Tanz der Lemminge contained a bit too much improv jamming for my liking at first, plus as double albums they took longer to digest. Wolf City is accessible, catchy at times in fact, that might be a good place to start although Phallus Dei is a better idea of Krautrock.

If you like more electronic, check out Popol Vuh's first two albums or Tangerine Dream. If you want more psychedelic, look into Ash Ra Temple or Agitation Free. I LOVE Faust's debut, but it's one of the weirdest things I've heard, check out the sample "Why Don't We Eat Carrots". So Far is still weird but not nearly as much, the sample represented on PA is sort of Velvet Underground-esque and catchy (to me, but I find weird things catchy and pop stuff easy to forget about mostly).

A.R. and the Machines are another one of my favorites, but they're a bit more obscure. I reviewed their first two albums if you want to check them out (I don't review much - my earlier ones are embarassing), I actually have Die Gruene Reise on vinyl which costed around $35 but was well worth it. Echo is my favorite kraut album along with Tago Mago. I think Die Gruene Reise is their only album with a legit CD issue, you'll probably have to download them illegally (unless you buy a non-legit CD copy or the LPs, which isn't likely since they go from $50-$250 (Echo).

Discovering Krautrock was one of my favorite periods in musical exploration, and I've had quite a few. But like a lot of smalelr music genres, once you reach a certain point, there becomes little to find besides obscure bands, which generally are obscure for a reason (some pleasant exceptions arise, of course). Interestingly enough, there are quite a few modern "kraut revival" type bands that I plan on looking into soon.

Anyway, that's enough typing for now, I don't think I've typed that much in a single post in ages. :P

Edited by Bluesaga - June 17 2008 at 19:16

Pinning down your personal taste! : I like music that is aloof.

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:56:24 +0000

Author: Shakespeare
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 17 2008 at 18:56

I like music that is aloof.

Pinning down your personal taste! : Originally posted by MikeDupontAfter...

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:29:41 +0000

Author: song_of_copper
Subject: 49509
Posted: June 17 2008 at 18:29

Originally posted by MikeDupont

After giving it some serious thought....I have come back now to describe why it is that I truly like what I listen to. I've come up with the theory that people base their music tastes mainly on how the music reflects upon ourselves......let me explain...

When you listen to music...I come up with a few different things that people think about while listening to it

1: to picture the band playing, with their instruments, perhaps live, simply visualizing the guys...

2: Imagining yourself perhaps performing the peace,....playing the instrumets, singing, whatever, and imagining what the audience's reaction would be to you....

3: picturing an image or scene that has nothing to do with say a live performance or the musicians at all...this is were people let the music make them have a "cosmic" experiance or whatever....

Something I totally forgot to mention is that if something doesn't make me want to sing, then forget it - it's not for me - and that doesn't mean that I only like music with singing already in it, or straightforwardly-tuneful things... So I sometimes daydream a little bit as in your second description!

Basically though..music is a translation for people to express their own feelings where words simply can't. This is why people like to share their music with other people, they hope that people will understand them better...which often works.

One of my favorite film directors, Stanely Kubrick, once said that words were a terrible straitjacket. By this he means it is extremely difficult to ever say something you REALLY mean...some emotions simply can't be turned into vocabulary. However...he did also say that some things can express emotion to another dimension that words can't, and one of these was music.

I firmly believe that 'language' is not restricted to words alone... the mind ascribes meaning to all sorts of things-which-are-not-words, and those units of meaning form part of the endless ocean of *relevance* that we are floating about in... music is a huge component of that... yes, I'm aware that I am rambling... pay no attention... lalalala...

So when I don't feel like trying to explain something with everything coming out as a mumbly mess, I use the music to help sort my thaughts...for myself and others.

And than of course some poeple listen to music cause it sounds good and they want to dance :P

Oh, yes! Dancing. Absolutely! Just try and stop me. And that goes for wedding reception cheese as much as it does for epic 'suites' in oddball time signatures...

Share your thaughts.....forgive me for any bad spelling :P