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Posted: August 27 2008 at 19:22

Originally posted by ~Rael~

Sorry if I greatly offended anyone. I wasn't trying to be a troll, just sharing an opinion. And hearing that they are nice guys to the fans kind of changes my mind a little bit.
 
And, I was going to stick around on these boards rather than make a topic and leave when it was dead, but after all this, I doubt I will ever make a new thread. If you can't express an opinion without people being total dickheads to you, forget it.


You are behaving like a troll.

You claim you were a "huge DT fan"

A "huge DT fan" even one who no longer felt the same about the band would never say the things about DT that you did.


Thread moved. Closed and warning sent.


]]> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:22:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2950589#2950589 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by ~Rael~Its... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2950581#2950581 Author: heyitsthatguy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 27 2008 at 19:12

Originally posted by ~Rael~

Its cool MisterProg. I apologize for the comments I made also.

And I figured that is why there was no solo, because they didn't play a huge set, but a one minute thing would have been cool. And that is why I don't am weary of concerts with more than three bands. I would have loved to hear 3 play a bit more, and BTBAM. They played two songs, haha. And an hour of Opeth wasn't nearly enough. Can't wait to see them again.
 
I can't remember where the Myung solo was, but I don't think it was in The Dance of Eternity (or that section of thier medley) because I remember it taking my by surprise. Of course, they played some songs I haven't heard (don't have all thier CDs.)

that's one of the reasons I didn't like the idea of Prognation as much as  I originally did
I'd much rather see the bands play their own concerts for longer
]]> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:12:11 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2950581#2950581 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by ~Rael~ Its... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2950168#2950168 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 27 2008 at 11:39

Originally posted by ~Rael~

Its cool MisterProg. I apologize for the comments I made also.

And I figured that is why there was no solo, because they didn't play a huge set, but a one minute thing would have been cool. And that is why I don't am weary of concerts with more than three bands. I would have loved to hear 3 play a bit more, and BTBAM. They played two songs, haha. And an hour of Opeth wasn't nearly enough. Can't wait to see them again.
 
I can't remember where the Myung solo was, but I don't think it was in The Dance of Eternity (or that section of thier medley) because I remember it taking my by surprise. Of course, they played some songs I haven't heard (don't have all thier CDs.)
 
Hmm, Myung certainly doesn't solo much and I have all their albums.. Maybe it was on the Images and Words track Metropolis Pt. 1. Do you own that album?
]]> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:39:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2950168#2950168 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Its cool MisterProg. I apologize... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949641#2949641 Author: ~Rael~
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 27 2008 at 00:29

Its cool MisterProg. I apologize for the comments I made also.

And I figured that is why there was no solo, because they didn't play a huge set, but a one minute thing would have been cool. And that is why I don't am weary of concerts with more than three bands. I would have loved to hear 3 play a bit more, and BTBAM. They played two songs, haha. And an hour of Opeth wasn't nearly enough. Can't wait to see them again.
 
I can't remember where the Myung solo was, but I don't think it was in The Dance of Eternity (or that section of thier medley) because I remember it taking my by surprise. Of course, they played some songs I haven't heard (don't have all thier CDs.)


Edited by ~Rael~ - August 27 2008 at 00:31]]> Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:29:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949641#2949641 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Zoso-they... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949592#2949592 Author: BroSpence
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:46

Originally posted by Zoso-

they are all about musical pretentious w**k and you put brilliant musicans together and you get that technically amazing sound and hardcore solos


Not true.

Edited by BroSpence - August 26 2008 at 23:47]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:46:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949592#2949592 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MantraYou... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949587#2949587 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:40

Originally posted by Mantra

You mistook what I meant. I didn't mean that Roadrunner was DIRECTLY encouraging them to be more metal, but possibly the thought of playing on Roadrunner could encourage such a direction.
 
But like you said, its merely the evolutionary process their music has taken. And not even to say theyve even been getting more metal. TOT was a metal turn, but they really brought back alot of the more mellowed out moments on Octavarium, and Systematic Chaos was a healthy middle man.
 
And besides, did Portnoy not ALSO state they would not be working with producers or outside writers anymore? Their was no producers for Systematic Chaos other then the credited ones- Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci. They had engineers and mixers and whatnot, but no producers.
 
My fault, yes Paul (something that starts with an N LOL)..was just the sound engineer and helped with the mixing..but he did work as a producer on Rush's "Moving Pictures"
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:40:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949587#2949587 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by el böthy Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949581#2949581 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:38

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^
I apologize for my friend, I am over his house and he got a hold of my laptop while we were watching Score.

The strange part is that I already knew what to expect, I have the Score dvd and really really like it... so, what was so different? Maybe the material they played? I mean the only song I really, really like from the new album was not played (Prophets of war) but instate I ended up with an encore of In presence of enemies 1 and 2... which quite frankly I find to be Dream Theaters worst material ever written, specially the second part. The whole "Dark master within" part was a bit shameful, I remember being with a friend at the concert and some people we had convinced to come with and we both feld a bit ashamed of this type of things. I guess LaBRIE´s name really makes sense... cheeeesyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

oh I´m just beyond hilarious
 
Prophets of War has yet to be played any show I'm pretty sure.
 
Also, like I said to Rael: Maybe "An Evening With" show would be more suiting for you, more variety..a better chance at you getting to hear some of your favorite songs.
 
Also, ITPOE part 1 + 2 are some of the best material they've put out in their entire career IMO.
 
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:38:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949581#2949581 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Mantra Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949578#2949578 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:35

Originally posted by Mantra

Originally posted by ~Rael~

First, let me say thank you to rushfan4 for putting it all in perspective. I can understand someone coming to thier beloved band's defense.

As to not liking DT only because of the live performance, that is just not wholly true. I always had a mixed feeling about DT. It took me a long time to get into them, and most of that time was spent training myself to ignore LaBrie's voice. I can't get into his voice or singing style, and never will be able it, just personal taste. Though, the music overshadows his voice enough to make it enjoyable listening. The concert was just a nail in the coffin, as it were. Maybe even saying "I don't like them" is a bit harsh. I am not going to trade in my DT CDs, but since the concert, I have had no desire to listen to them. I doubt I will go the rest of my life without ever listening to them again.

My main reason for going to Chicago was for Opeth, because I didn't know how much they toured in the US. Of course, they are coming to St. Louis, which I already have tickets for (I didn't know they would be here in October at the time, I don't think it was scheduled). 3 was amazing also. Dream Theater was almost a bit to perfect. Like I said, it sounded like the CDs. . . the solos were identical. And, you have to admit, Patrucci's and Rudess's soloes are pretty much the same. They got boring for me after the 10th one. Portnoy didn't even do a solo. I thought a kickass drum solo was implied with a Dt concert. Maybe that is why I didn't like him much. I may have been able to overlook his stage persona if he had wowed me, but he didn't. I was expecting something to blow me away like one of Jordinson's solos, but he just played the songs as they were recorded. And Myung had one 10 second solo (if that long) and it kicked ass. He could have done more.

 

 
What was that Myung solo in? Did they play part of the instrumental section of Metropolis Pt. 1 at the ending medley?
 
As for Petrucci and Rudess, like I said, they are very precise. Some dont like it like you, as you'd probably like to see more jamming, others appreciate the fact that they CAN play whats on the record, unlike ridiculous bands like Dragonforce or something.
 
Although I have to disagree, often times Rudess will mash up his solos and make them sound much different, save a few like Dance of Eternity and the keyboard melodies. But a lot of solos like the short one in Under a Glass Moon, he does change them up.
 
Also, Rael...another reason for no drum solo was because of curfews. Since there was 4 bands they were assigned strict time slots:
 
3 - 30 Minutes
BTBAM - 30 Minutes
Opeth - 60 Minutes
Dream Theater - 90 Minutes
 
Maybe, "An Evening With" show would've been more suitable for you, a much longer set..which allows them to play with some more variety..and add a few extra things in.
 
Another thing, I forgot to appologize to you directly about my comments earlier this week. Sorry again, no hard feelings hopefully.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:35:31 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949578#2949578 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : You mistook what I meant. I didn't... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949577#2949577 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:35

You mistook what I meant. I didn't mean that Roadrunner was DIRECTLY encouraging them to be more metal, but possibly the thought of playing on Roadrunner could encourage such a direction.
 
But like you said, its merely the evolutionary process their music has taken. And not even to say theyve even been getting more metal. TOT was a metal turn, but they really brought back alot of the more mellowed out moments on Octavarium, and Systematic Chaos was a healthy middle man.
 
And besides, did Portnoy not ALSO state they would not be working with producers or outside writers anymore? Their was no producers for Systematic Chaos other then the credited ones- Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci. They had engineers and mixers and whatnot, but no producers.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:35:24 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949577#2949577 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Mantra Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949572#2949572 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:29

Originally posted by Mantra

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy

I actually thought SC was a step in the right direction
and in the wrong direction at the same time
it seems they took a mulligan for lyrics for a whole album so hopefully next album they get serious with them again

anyway
hopefully the new album has them not trying so hard to be 'metal', they found the perfect balance on Scenes and Six Degrees but then lost it with Train of Thought
 
Agreed on some degree, possibly too much time spent on heaveyness and metal riffing, but I deffinitely dont hate it. Infact I love Train of Thought, and despite the harsh critism I think Systematic Chaos is a quality album. Not their best but certainly not their worst. I dont have a huge problem with the metal elements because I'm sure they'll never stray away from their prog backround.
 
Maybe they'll surprise us with something more like Scenes, but maybe Roadrunner Records is encouraging them to be more 'metal' like most of their other artists.
 
Regardless though, I'll be there at the store buying the album on day 1 anyway >_>.
 
Roadrunner Records is encouraging nothing of the sort, the producer they worked with on SC was the same who worked with Rush on "Moving Pictures", and the label itself didn't suggest him, the band requested he be. 
 
"If this band is going to say together, the label has to stay the f**k out of our music, no outside writers. The label will hear the album when it's finished. If this band is going to stay together, if this band is going to survive, everybody get out of our way, book the studio time and let us make our f**king record."
-Mike Portnoy around 1997/1998 
 
If they stuck to the same formula every album they wouldn't be as great of a band as they are.
 
They're getting heavier because their music is evolving, and that is the kind of direction they're taking as a band.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:29:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949572#2949572 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by ~Rael~ First,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949570#2949570 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:26

Originally posted by ~Rael~

First, let me say thank you to rushfan4 for putting it all in perspective. I can understand someone coming to thier beloved band's defense.

As to not liking DT only because of the live performance, that is just not wholly true. I always had a mixed feeling about DT. It took me a long time to get into them, and most of that time was spent training myself to ignore LaBrie's voice. I can't get into his voice or singing style, and never will be able it, just personal taste. Though, the music overshadows his voice enough to make it enjoyable listening. The concert was just a nail in the coffin, as it were. Maybe even saying "I don't like them" is a bit harsh. I am not going to trade in my DT CDs, but since the concert, I have had no desire to listen to them. I doubt I will go the rest of my life without ever listening to them again.

My main reason for going to Chicago was for Opeth, because I didn't know how much they toured in the US. Of course, they are coming to St. Louis, which I already have tickets for (I didn't know they would be here in October at the time, I don't think it was scheduled). 3 was amazing also. Dream Theater was almost a bit to perfect. Like I said, it sounded like the CDs. . . the solos were identical. And, you have to admit, Patrucci's and Rudess's soloes are pretty much the same. They got boring for me after the 10th one. Portnoy didn't even do a solo. I thought a kickass drum solo was implied with a Dt concert. Maybe that is why I didn't like him much. I may have been able to overlook his stage persona if he had wowed me, but he didn't. I was expecting something to blow me away like one of Jordinson's solos, but he just played the songs as they were recorded. And Myung had one 10 second solo (if that long) and it kicked ass. He could have done more.

 

 
What was that Myung solo in? Did they play part of the instrumental section of Metropolis Pt. 1 at the ending medley?
 
As for Petrucci and Rudess, like I said, they are very precise. Some dont like it like you, as you'd probably like to see more jamming, others appreciate the fact that they CAN play whats on the record, unlike ridiculous bands like Dragonforce or something.
 
Although I have to disagree, often times Rudess will mash up his solos and make them sound much different, save a few like Dance of Eternity and the keyboard melodies. But a lot of solos like the short one in Under a Glass Moon, he does change them up.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:26:23 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949570#2949570 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : First, let me say thank you to... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949561#2949561 Author: ~Rael~
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 23:14

First, let me say thank you to rushfan4 for putting it all in perspective. I can understand someone coming to thier beloved band's defense.

As to not liking DT only because of the live performance, that is just not wholly true. I always had a mixed feeling about DT. It took me a long time to get into them, and most of that time was spent training myself to ignore LaBrie's voice. I can't get into his voice or singing style, and never will be able it, just personal taste. Though, the music overshadows his voice enough to make it enjoyable listening. The concert was just a nail in the coffin, as it were. Maybe even saying "I don't like them" is a bit harsh. I am not going to trade in my DT CDs, but since the concert, I have had no desire to listen to them. I doubt I will go the rest of my life without ever listening to them again.

My main reason for going to Chicago was for Opeth, because I didn't know how much they toured in the US. Of course, they are coming to St. Louis, which I already have tickets for (I didn't know they would be here in October at the time, I don't think it was scheduled). 3 was amazing also. Dream Theater was almost a bit to perfect. Like I said, it sounded like the CDs. . . the solos were identical. And, you have to admit, Patrucci's and Rudess's soloes are pretty much the same. They got boring for me after the 10th one. Portnoy didn't even do a solo. I thought a kickass drum solo was implied with a Dt concert. Maybe that is why I didn't like him much. I may have been able to overlook his stage persona if he had wowed me, but he didn't. I was expecting something to blow me away like one of Jordinson's solos, but he just played the songs as they were recorded. And Myung had one 10 second solo (if that long) and it kicked ass. He could have done more.

 



Edited by ~Rael~ - August 26 2008 at 23:15]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:14:13 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949561#2949561 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by el böthy Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949362#2949362 Author: Moatilliatta
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 20:14

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^
I apologize for my friend, I am over his house and he got a hold of my laptop while we were watching Score.

The strange part is that I already knew what to expect, I have the Score dvd and really really like it... so, what was so different? Maybe the material they played? I mean the only song I really, really like from the new album was not played (Prophets of war) but instate I ended up with an encore of In presence of enemies 1 and 2... which quite frankly I find to be Dream Theaters worst material ever written, specially the second part. The whole "Dark master within" part was a bit shameful, I remember being with a friend at the concert and some people we had convinced to come with and we both feld a bit ashamed of this type of things. I guess LaBRIE´s name really makes sense... cheeeesyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

oh I´m just beyond hilarious
 
That you are, but I think that musically, "In the Presence of Enemies" is a fine work. The lyrics are what make it poor, really, and they're only laughable in part two. I love just about the whole thing, but I also put minimal focus on the lyrics.
 
Originally posted by ~Rael~

Sorry if I greatly offended anyone. I wasn't trying to be a troll, just sharing an opinion. And hearing that they are nice guys to the fans kind of changes my mind a little bit.
 
And, I was going to stick around on these boards rather than make a topic and leave when it was dead, but after all this, I doubt I will ever make a new thread. If you can't express an opinion without people being total dickheads to you, forget it.
 
Well, didn't you at all expect it? This is the internet, after all, and your comments were pretty harsh and mean-spirited to begin with, so of course people are going to get all fussy.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:14:35 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949362#2949362 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : I agree that DT live is nothing... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949244#2949244 Author: Equality 7-2521
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:54

I agree that DT live is nothing special. I agree that Mike Portnoyneeds to be punched because he's so full of himself. I agree he's notthe best drummer in the world.

However, you needn't dislike a band's music because you disagree withthe character of the band members, you're just ruining something foryourself there. Also, mediocre is pretty harsh for describing Portnoy.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:54:37 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949244#2949244 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : I'm thinking that if I ever... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949238#2949238 Author: explodingjosh
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:49

I'm thinking that if I ever get to experience Dream Theater live, I might just close my eyes and only listen. Because watching them perform makes me appreciate the music less.]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:49:10 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949238#2949238 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by heyitsthatguyI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949198#2949198 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:13

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy

I actually thought SC was a step in the right direction
and in the wrong direction at the same time
it seems they took a mulligan for lyrics for a whole album so hopefully next album they get serious with them again

anyway
hopefully the new album has them not trying so hard to be 'metal', they found the perfect balance on Scenes and Six Degrees but then lost it with Train of Thought
 
Agreed on some degree, possibly too much time spent on heaveyness and metal riffing, but I deffinitely dont hate it. Infact I love Train of Thought, and despite the harsh critism I think Systematic Chaos is a quality album. Not their best but certainly not their worst. I dont have a huge problem with the metal elements because I'm sure they'll never stray away from their prog backround.
 
Maybe they'll surprise us with something more like Scenes, but maybe Roadrunner Records is encouraging them to be more 'metal' like most of their other artists.
 
Regardless though, I'll be there at the store buying the album on day 1 anyway >_>.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:13:15 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949198#2949198 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : I actually thought SC was a step... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949110#2949110 Author: heyitsthatguy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 16:03

I actually thought SC was a step in the right direction
and in the wrong direction at the same time
it seems they took a mulligan for lyrics for a whole album so hopefully next album they get serious with them again

anyway
hopefully the new album has them not trying so hard to be 'metal', they found the perfect balance on Scenes and Six Degrees but then lost it with Train of Thought
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:03:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949110#2949110 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : ^ If you hang around the forums... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949052#2949052 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 14:53

^ If you hang around the forums any amount of time you will see that Dream Theater is easily the band that gets put down and bashed the most by posters on the forum.  You'll also find that their fans within the forum are quite passionate about supporting them and defending them, but after doing it thread after thread after thread it does get old and the defending responses become as "trollish" as your original post was perceived, correctly or incorrectly. 
 
That being said there is no reason for you to stop creating new threads or expressing your opinions.  As a general rule most posters are quite friendly, but threads that start out with negative opinions are unfortunately bound to bring out the equally negative "positive" responses. 
 
I do find it interesting that a band that you professed to have really liked before seeing them live, you now no longer like after seeing them live.  I think that I have been quite fortunate in that seeing bands live has almost always had a positive effect on my opinion of the band.  But it certainly is possible.  My co-worker was a big fan of Van Morrison.  She went to see him play live a month or so ago, and she said that the show was horrible.  He came on stage without saying anything to the crowd and just started performing the first song, he spent most of the show with his back to the crowd, he maybe said 10 words to the crowd, he didn't perform Brown Eyed Girl, and he walked off the stage without saying good night after he finished singing the final song, while the band completed the song.  He didn't come back for any encores.  I suppose that I might still like his music, but I certainly would be hardpressed to want to go see him again.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:53:45 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949052#2949052 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MikeEnRegaliaPortnoy... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949049#2949049 Author: Visitor13
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 14:48

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia



Portnoy mediocre? I wonder how he wins all those polls in drummer magazines ...




Yeah, I wonder about that, too.

~Rael~, make sure you catch the reformed Cynic live, if you get the chance. I did about a month ago, and loved every second of it. No excessive fireworks here, though the music is quite technical. 
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:48:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949049#2949049 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Sorry if I greatly offended anyone.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949031#2949031 Author: ~Rael~
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 14:20

Sorry if I greatly offended anyone. I wasn't trying to be a troll, just sharing an opinion. And hearing that they are nice guys to the fans kind of changes my mind a little bit.
 
And, I was going to stick around on these boards rather than make a topic and leave when it was dead, but after all this, I doubt I will ever make a new thread. If you can't express an opinion without people being total dickheads to you, forget it.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:20:24 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2949031#2949031 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Mantra Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948962#2948962 Author: JLocke
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 13:10

Originally posted by Mantra

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

It´s the strangest thing. And I still think they are great guys, I for one don´t have a problem with Portnoy, I think he is a very nice guy and you can really see he loves what he does, and if anything positive came out I like Rudess more now than before, I even got some of his solo stuff... but Dream Theater as a band... no longer holds any interest for me. Maybe some day I will listen to them again and like it, but I know it´s not a band I would go to see again...
 
I've experienced similar things with bands I used to like or love. What it came down to for me was the dryness of the material I had and the fact that there was nothing new. I dont feel that way for Dream Theater at all but you may. Maybe give their new album a listen when it comes out next year, or check out clips from their DVD online when it comes out in Sepetember, perhaps it would re-kindle your interest for them
 
Another album already? All I have to say is: Make it better than Systematic was, Mike!
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:10:45 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948962#2948962 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by ~Rael~I... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948922#2948922 Author: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 12:12

Originally posted by ~Rael~

I saw DT in Chicago with 3, Between the Buried and me, and Opeth. It was a very dissapointing show (DT I mean, all the other bands were amazing). Don't get me wrong, DT sounded great, like listening to one of thier albums, but the arrogance ondisplay was astounding. Never, NEVER, have I seen such a self-absorbed band. John Myung was the only guy who came off as being cool, and big surprise, he had the least amount of solos. Rudess and Patrucci were alright, butthe constant close ups of thier soloes got really old really fast. You can play good, we get it, so could you stop showing off for 5 seconds and just play? Patrucci looked totally bored. He looked like he would rather be having a root canal. LaBrie was annoying as hell. He kept throwing the mic stand in there air like it was really a show o strength. It was just idiotic.Though the worst BY FAR was Mike Portnoy. What a DOUCHE. He kept standing up and nodding his head like he was hot sh*t. He would point to his little camera that was on his drum set, and when the stage hand was late with his mic, he bitched him out so everyone could hear in the middle of the song. It was shameful. Portnoy isn't that good. . . in fact, I would go so far as to say he may be the most overrated drummer of all time. There are so many greater drummers. Portnoy is mediocre at best.
 
You might be wondering (or you might not) why I haven't written this until now. Well, I decided to when I had my iTunes on shuffle and a DT song came on, and I hit skip right away. It was then I realized since the concert I have not listened to one DT song, and have no desire to.
 
I was a huge DT fan. Then I saw them live. It is something I greatly regret.


Portnoy mediocre? I wonder how he wins all those polls in drummer magazines ...

I've seen them live 3 times and own 3 DVDs ... I love their performances. The cameras / hand closeups don't bother me at all ... rather the reverse. DT is a band which you want to watch playing. Nobody's forcing you to look at the screens though. As a guitarist, I love it.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:12:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948922#2948922 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MisterProg2112^ I... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948863#2948863 Author: el böthy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 11:12

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^
I apologize for my friend, I am over his house and he got a hold of my laptop while we were watching Score.

The strange part is that I already knew what to expect, I have the Score dvd and really really like it... so, what was so different? Maybe the material they played? I mean the only song I really, really like from the new album was not played (Prophets of war) but instate I ended up with an encore of In presence of enemies 1 and 2... which quite frankly I find to be Dream Theaters worst material ever written, specially the second part. The whole "Dark master within" part was a bit shameful, I remember being with a friend at the concert and some people we had convinced to come with and we both feld a bit ashamed of this type of things. I guess LaBRIE´s name really makes sense... cheeeesyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

oh I´m just beyond hilarious
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:12:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948863#2948863 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Strangely enough, exactly the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948593#2948593 Author: npjnpj
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:35

Strangely enough, exactly the same happened to me last year during a Dream theater concert: DT were great, as always, but the supporting set by Symphony X was abysmal and I've not been able to listen to them since. Can't get that out of my head. I know it's wrong but that was a complete turn-off.]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:35:10 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948593#2948593 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Mantra Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948585#2948585 Author: Plankowner
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:03

Originally posted by Mantra

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

It´s the strangest thing. And I still think they are great guys, I for one don´t have a problem with Portnoy, I think he is a very nice guy and you can really see he loves what he does, and if anything positive came out I like Rudess more now than before, I even got some of his solo stuff... but Dream Theater as a band... no longer holds any interest for me. Maybe some day I will listen to them again and like it, but I know it´s not a band I would go to see again...
 
I've experienced similar things with bands I used to like or love. What it came down to for me was the dryness of the material I had and the fact that there was nothing new. I dont feel that way for Dream Theater at all but you may. Maybe give their new album a listen when it comes out next year, or check out clips from their DVD online when it comes out in Sepetember, perhaps it would re-kindle your interest for them
 
I'm always fearful of seeing a band live that I really like and then coming away from the show disappointed or turned off by their live performance.  I really hate it when that happens. 
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:03:01 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948585#2948585 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : ^ I apologize for my friend,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948556#2948556 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 03:14

^
I apologize for my friend, I am over his house and he got a hold of my laptop while we were watching Score.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:14:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948556#2948556 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : lol i watches DT dvd right now... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948497#2948497 Author: MisterProg3333
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:04

lol i watches DT dvd right now with mister2112 he fails at life]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:04:07 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948497#2948497 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : MisterProg2112 is a n000000000b... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948495#2948495 Author: MisterProg3333
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:03

MisterProg2112 is a n000000000b]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:03:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948495#2948495 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Mantra Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948358#2948358 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 00:04

Originally posted by Mantra

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

It´s the strangest thing. And I still think they are great guys, I for one don´t have a problem with Portnoy, I think he is a very nice guy and you can really see he loves what he does, and if anything positive came out I like Rudess more now than before, I even got some of his solo stuff... but Dream Theater as a band... no longer holds any interest for me. Maybe some day I will listen to them again and like it, but I know it´s not a band I would go to see again...
 
I've experienced similar things with bands I used to like or love. What it came down to for me was the dryness of the material I had and the fact that there was nothing new. I dont feel that way for Dream Theater at all but you may. Maybe give their new album a listen when it comes out next year, or check out clips from their DVD online when it comes out in Sepetember, perhaps it would re-kindle your interest for them
 
The new DVD looks amazing.
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:04:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948358#2948358 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by el böthy Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948352#2948352 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 26 2008 at 00:00

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

It´s the strangest thing. And I still think they are great guys, I for one don´t have a problem with Portnoy, I think he is a very nice guy and you can really see he loves what he does, and if anything positive came out I like Rudess more now than before, I even got some of his solo stuff... but Dream Theater as a band... no longer holds any interest for me. Maybe some day I will listen to them again and like it, but I know it´s not a band I would go to see again...
 
I've experienced similar things with bands I used to like or love. What it came down to for me was the dryness of the material I had and the fact that there was nothing new. I dont feel that way for Dream Theater at all but you may. Maybe give their new album a listen when it comes out next year, or check out clips from their DVD online when it comes out in Sepetember, perhaps it would re-kindle your interest for them
]]> Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:00:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948352#2948352 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by el böthy Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948351#2948351 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:59

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

It´s the strangest thing. And I still think they are great guys, I for one don´t have a problem with Portnoy, I think he is a very nice guy and you can really see he loves what he does, and if anything positive came out I like Rudess more now than before, I even got some of his solo stuff... but Dream Theater as a band... no longer holds any interest for me. Maybe some day I will listen to them again and like it, but I know it´s not a band I would go to see again...
 
My friend is the same way, he wouldn't like to see them again, but he likes them a bit. His favorite band is Collective Soul though LOL, not saying that Collective Soul is bad, but it's not really from a "Prog Fan's" point of view. 
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:59:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948351#2948351 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MisterProg2112^... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948349#2948349 Author: el böthy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:57

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

It´s the strangest thing. And I still think they are great guys, I for one don´t have a problem with Portnoy, I think he is a very nice guy and you can really see he loves what he does, and if anything positive came out I like Rudess more now than before, I even got some of his solo stuff... but Dream Theater as a band... no longer holds any interest for me. Maybe some day I will listen to them again and like it, but I know it´s not a band I would go to see again...
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:57:05 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948349#2948349 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MantraThe... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948342#2948342 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:49

Originally posted by Mantra

The entire show was superb xD.
 
They seem to get even better each tour in terms of precision.
 
They seem to just get better every tour Tongue
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:49:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948342#2948342 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : The entire show was superb xD. They... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948335#2948335 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:46

The entire show was superb xD.
 
They seem to get even better each tour in terms of precision.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:46:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948335#2948335 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by Mantra Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948333#2948333 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:44

Originally posted by Mantra

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ Listened to Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version.
 
Along with the Medleys at the end which are always fun to see what they will consist of.
 
True, both medleys from ProgNation were superb
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:44:56 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948333#2948333 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MisterProg2112^... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948332#2948332 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:44

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

^ Listened to Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version.
 
Along with the Medleys at the end which are always fun to see what they will consist of.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:44:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948332#2948332 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : ^ They must've not played... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948329#2948329 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:42

^ They must've not played Surrounded '07, deffinitley altered from the album version, sounds very good too. But like you said, not exactly the reason you stopped liking them.

Edited by MisterProg2112 - August 25 2008 at 23:44]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:42:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948329#2948329 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Man the exact thing happend to... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948326#2948326 Author: el böthy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:39

Man the exact thing happend to me! But I can´t say they where arrogans, in fact they where quite cool and Labrie even sung better than in the albums. They sounded great... but... I don´t know... I stoped liking them half thrue the show... and havent listen to a single song of them since (this was in march). I honestly think I needed a concert of them to realize I dont really like them...Confused And yes, the showing off got really boring really fast, but the worst thing for me is that they pretty much played every song exactly like the studio versions... but I don´t think this was the only thing that led me to disliking them... I can´t put my finger on it, but I seriously don´t like them anymore after having seen themConfused]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:39:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948326#2948326 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Agreed, thats what I was getting... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948319#2948319 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:36

Agreed, thats what I was getting at. That track is truly hilarious backing up the point that theyre more or less regular guys that like to have fun.]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:36:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948319#2948319 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MantraThe... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948315#2948315 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:34

Originally posted by Mantra

The "Is Dream Theater just self-indulgent?" debate is age old. Dream Theater is quite simply a band that focuses on the quality of their sound performance first, and then the stage presence next. Simply put, they started with a great stage presence on their early albums, mellowed out a bit, but on their recent Chaos In Motion tour they seemed to have a bit more confidence.
 
Now is that such a crime? Some bands jump up and down like 13 year old girls seeing the Jonas Brothers for their entire set, so how is it even remotely arrogant of them to have fun [Portnoy standing up and whatnot]? Mike Portnoy is quite obviously a metal fan, so the headbanging, standing, etc. is just part of the show, lighten up.
 
As for him apparently yelling at the stage hand, Dream Theater take the precision of their live show very seriously, so if the mic wasn't swung at the right time, the performance may have suffered.
 
And if Portnoy is so arrogant and self centered, why does he put out countless demos, dvds, behind the scenes footage, bootlegs, etc, for his fans?
 
Finally, as MisterProg said, I met Mike last year and he was unbelieveably nice to each and every fan.
 
This is simply my opinion, please reply in a civilized way if you choose to reply at all.
 
I actually think they've always been fun and like to joke around a lot, especially the altering of the lyrics (See on one of the Fan Club CD's the "What Did They Just Say Track, I know I've showed that to you before though Scott LOL)
 
They're a fun band.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:34:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948315#2948315 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Not to mention the astonishing... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948297#2948297 Author: stonebeard
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:21

LOL Not to mention the astonishing admission that one can dislike a band (an entity that exists for musical entertainment foremost, not visual entertainment) that one previously liked based on a live performance, but it is ridiculous and shameful to want a players to apparently stand and deliver like statues.

Just stay at home.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:40 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948297#2948297 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : The "Is Dream Theater just... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948296#2948296 Author: Mantra
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 23:21

The "Is Dream Theater just self-indulgent?" debate is age old. Dream Theater is quite simply a band that focuses on the quality of their sound performance first, and then the stage presence next. Simply put, they started with a great stage presence on their early albums, mellowed out a bit, but on their recent Chaos In Motion tour they seemed to have a bit more confidence.
 
Now is that such a crime? Some bands jump up and down like 13 year old girls seeing the Jonas Brothers for their entire set, so how is it even remotely arrogant of them to have fun [Portnoy standing up and whatnot]? Mike Portnoy is quite obviously a metal fan, so the headbanging, standing, etc. is just part of the show, lighten up.
 
As for him apparently yelling at the stage hand, Dream Theater take the precision of their live show very seriously, so if the mic wasn't swung at the right time, the performance may have suffered.
 
And if Portnoy is so arrogant and self centered, why does he put out countless demos, dvds, behind the scenes footage, bootlegs, etc, for his fans?
 
Finally, as MisterProg said, I met Mike last year and he was unbelieveably nice to each and every fan.
 
This is simply my opinion, please reply in a civilized way if you choose to reply at all.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948296#2948296 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Sorry for acting a little immature... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948257#2948257 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 22:57

Sorry for acting a little immature over the past couple of days on this thread guys. I've edited all of my posts to show that I'm a bit more intelligent then I acted, also so nothing offends anyone, and I'm sorry if I did. I was trying to have some fun with this guy because I knew he was probably one of those people who come on for a topic, and when it's finished and pretty dead, would've moved on and not come back.
 
Sorry again everyone.
 
-Mike
 


Edited by MisterProg2112 - August 25 2008 at 22:58]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:57:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948257#2948257 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : yeah its fun and games for the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948230#2948230 Author: heyitsthatguy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 22:38

yeah its fun and games for the first few but sometimes people run at troll posts with full force and things get ugly]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:38:59 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948230#2948230 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by MisterProg2112 Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948213#2948213 Author: Man With Hat
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 22:32

Originally posted by MisterProg2112

Originally posted by stupidn00bwhocreatedtopic

I honestly don't know how I fail this much...it's beyond comprehension

 
Seriously now...is this really needed? Stern%20Smile
 
You disagree with him. We get it.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:32:06 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948213#2948213 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by NaturalScience Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948150#2948150 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 22:07

Originally posted by NaturalScience

Originally posted by ~Rael~

Portnoy is just an annoying, arrogant, overrated jerk-off.


Geoff Tate?  Is that you?  Wink
 
LOL 
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:07:23 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948150#2948150 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by heyitsthatguyit... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948130#2948130 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:59

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy

it seems you've had a pre-existing problem with Portnoy and this set it off
also this thread is kinda funny because its like bizarro PA where people are rushing to defend DT rather than sh*t on them as per usual
notice they're more or less the only band that's allowed to have that happen
but
tradition is tradition

I also agree Portnoy can be a bit pompous but I judge by music and keep personal lives seperate. From my understanding Robert Fripp was a prick but he was a f**king amazing guitarist
 
Just like Maynard, great singer, huge jerk..from what I hear.
 
I met Portnoy last year, and I can honestly say that he is one of the nicest people I've ever met, that goes for the entire band actually, they love their fans. Also, I find him funny when he performs live, if he just sat there with a blank face for the entire show, it wouldn't be as fun to watch them.
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:59:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948130#2948130 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Originally posted by ~Rael~Portnoy... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948119#2948119 Author: Padraic
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:54

Originally posted by ~Rael~

Portnoy is just an annoying, arrogant, overrated jerk-off.


Geoff Tate?  Is that you?  Wink


Edited by NaturalScience - August 25 2008 at 21:55]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:54:59 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948119#2948119 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : Can a mod move this too the Live... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948112#2948112 Author: Statutory-Mike
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:52

Can a mod move this too the Live Performance reviews please?



Edited by MisterProg2112 - August 25 2008 at 22:53]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:52:05 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948112#2948112 Saw Dream Theater live, and now I don't like them. : it seems you've had a pre-existing... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948006#2948006 Author: heyitsthatguy
Subject: 51227
Posted: August 25 2008 at 20:33

it seems you've had a pre-existing problem with Portnoy and this set it off
also this thread is kinda funny because its like bizarro PA where people are rushing to defend DT rather than sh*t on them as per usual
notice they're more or less the only band that's allowed to have that happen
but
tradition is tradition

I also agree Portnoy can be a bit pompous but I judge by music and keep personal lives seperate. From my understanding Robert Fripp was a prick but he was a f**king amazing guitarist
]]> Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:33:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51227&PID=2948006#2948006