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Posted: November 03 2008 at 13:24

Logan: John Zorn all the way!!!!Wink]]> Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:24:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3023996#3023996 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Originally posted by el böthy Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3023456#3023456 Author: Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 22:15

Originally posted by el böthy

Originally posted by Henry Plainview

As much as I like Kayo Dot (MOTW I can't seem to get into), Masada alone blows it away, not even counting everything else he's done.
 
Apparently Zorn rarely talks to the media because he gets annoyed when they emphasize his anti-semitism card. And anyone in his position would be a little egotistical.

What? Zorn is anti-semit? Really?Confused
No, I heard that he blames his lack of success on anti-semitism. I didn't see him say that, but I did see him say that he's one of the "freaks" that the "normal" people occasionally let play at the jazz festival--but he's at peace with that!
 
I can deal with a little ego.
]]> Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:15:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3023456#3023456 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Originally posted by Henry... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3021388#3021388 Author: el böthy
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 13:40

Originally posted by Henry Plainview

As much as I like Kayo Dot (MOTW I can't seem to get into), Masada alone blows it away, not even counting everything else he's done.
 
Apparently Zorn rarely talks to the media because he gets annoyed when they emphasize his anti-semitism card. And anyone in his position would be a little egotistical.

What? Zorn is anti-semit? Really?Confused
]]> Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:40:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3021388#3021388 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : I need to listen to more Zorn...... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3021385#3021385 Author: el böthy
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 13:39

I need to listen to more Zorn... but from what I have heard from him I think I like Driver more]]> Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:39:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3021385#3021385 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : As much as I like Kayo Dot (MOTW... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3021071#3021071 Author: Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 01 2008 at 00:34

As much as I like Kayo Dot (MOTW I can't seem to get into), Masada alone blows it away, not even counting everything else he's done.
 
Apparently Zorn rarely talks to the media because he gets annoyed when they emphasize his anti-semitism card. And anyone in his position would be a little egotistical.
]]> Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:34:15 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3021071#3021071 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Originally posted by GhostWorksZorn... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3020181#3020181 Author: Rocktopus
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Posted: October 31 2008 at 07:07

Originally posted by GhostWorks



Zorn is a poncey douchebag of the highestorder, musically and personally (and for any who disagree, I'll ask now- how many of you have met the man and/or seen him live - empiricaldata is the best bellwether)


I'm glad I don't have to take take his personality into consideration. Musically he ain't no douchebag.

There's some albums by him I really treasure: Mysterium and Magick are both stunning. I also love many of of the albums from his Book of Angels project: Masada String Trio's Azazel, Secret Chiefs 3 Xaphan, Bar Kokhba Lucifer etc...

TobyDriver is a lot younger and gets better and better, so although there'smore albums I love by Zorn's 1000 releases, I won't choose.




]]> Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:07:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3020181#3020181 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Zorn by far http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019962#3019962 Author: BroSpence
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 23:45

Zorn by far]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:45:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019962#3019962 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Well. I didn't vote.Zorn... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019960#3019960 Author: GhostWorks
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 23:42

Well.

I didn't vote.

Zorn is a poncey douchebag of the highest order, musically and personally (and for any who disagree, I'll ask now - how many of you have met the man and/or seen him live - empirical data is the best bellwether)

...and I've never heard of Driver.

So my vote would purely be protest.]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:42:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019960#3019960 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : John Zorn now, probably Toby Driver... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019953#3019953 Author: Equality 7-2521
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 23:27

John Zorn now, probably Toby Driver 10 years from now.]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:27:35 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019953#3019953 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Nico, I'd probably ask... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019586#3019586 Author: Logan
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 19:14

Nico, I'd probably ask you for a lift if Miles Davis lost.  I could put him up against Frank Zappa, but I'd rather save Zappa for later and put Miles Davis up against Andy Tillison of The Tangent, or someone in Retro Prog.

Edited by Logan - October 30 2008 at 19:15]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:14:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019586#3019586 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : I feel strange being the fist... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019583#3019583 Author: AlexUC
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 19:08

I feel strange being the fist one voting by Driver at 10-0. Very difficult to me (like choosing between Yoshi and Vander) but seeing Driver very lonely here, I'll give him a drop... I love the Zorn material I have (oh, Six Litanies is awesome) but MotW and KD are my real thing
]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:08:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019583#3019583 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : I like Choirs of the Eye more... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019582#3019582 Author: Sckxyss
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 19:08

I like Choirs of the Eye more than anything by Zorn, but Zorn wins out of shear volume of great material.]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:08:04 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019582#3019582 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Really? Then scratch the "might... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019569#3019569 Author: Anderson III
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 18:57

Really? Then scratch the "might just" from my previous post. Smile]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:57:08 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019569#3019569 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Better start packing, I'm... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019545#3019545 Author: Logan
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 18:36

Better start packing, I'm thinking about putting him up against Neal Morse. Wink]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:36:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019545#3019545 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : If Miles Davis doesn't win... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019499#3019499 Author: Anderson III
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:52

If Miles Davis doesn't win the next battle I might just have to leave PA for good.]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:52:37 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019499#3019499 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : I thought it could be fun ongoing... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019447#3019447 Author: Logan
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:18

I thought it could be fun ongoing contest even.  Like others, I voted for Zorn,  I might make this a series of "innovative" battles of artists, similar to The Battle of Stardom polls, and then have  a massive showdown.  My next one will involve Miles Davis).

Results thus far: MAGMA's Vander or DEATH's Shuldiner?
Who is the greater innovator in your opinion?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
29 [61.70%]
9 [19.15%]



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Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:13

ShockedShockedShocked You did it Greg!! ClapClapClap I knew you will after reading your previous comments... Well, you really strike me, I need to think it a little bit more... Coming back later
]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:13:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019440#3019440 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Aw hell no. Zorn. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019387#3019387 Author: ProgBagel
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:58

Aw hell no. Zorn.]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:58:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019387#3019387 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : I'm a big John Zorn fan so... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019327#3019327 Author: Astrodomine
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:31

I'm a big John Zorn fan so my vote goes to him!]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:31:39 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019327#3019327 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : Hmm.Zorn has 43874598745 albums... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019322#3019322 Author: Visitor13
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:28

Hmm.

Zorn has 43874598745 albums out, Driver has what, eight?

I guess it's probably Zorn, but mostly because of his early output. If anyone here thinks his music is crazy now, you should listen to the early '80s stuff.

Driver seems to have better focus, though. Zorn does too many things at once, and it shows in his music.

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Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:28

The answer to this poll is "AAAALLALAAARRRRAHGGAHAHHHAAALLLLLAAIIIIIIIIIIIAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:28:11 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019321#3019321 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : I really need to hear more material... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019312#3019312 Author: horsewithteeth11
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:22

I really need to hear more material from both of them. I have all of Kayo Dot's material but I've only listened to Choirs and the only Zorn I have is Naked City. No vote from me.]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:22:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019312#3019312 John Zorn vs. Toby Driver : ... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52990&PID=3019302#3019302 Author: Logan
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:19

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