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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by infandousYeah,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 23 2013 at 23:14<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br />Yeah, I forgot to mention that I saw Bela Fleck and the Flecktones about 10 years ago, and it was an incredible show.&nbsp; For some reason, I've never gotten a hold of any of their albums.&nbsp; May have to do that, I don't know.<br><br>Zuma, when I was in college, my vision for my prog band was of a prog/jam hybrid.&nbsp; Most of my epics had "holes" in them, there specifically for free form improvisation (well, not totally free form, there was usually a riff or melody or chord progression that got things going).&nbsp; What I discovered was that the people I played with either like prog and not improv, or improv and not prog.&nbsp; My drummer was the exception, as he was into everything music wise.<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>right, that's the kind of stuff i used to write. &nbsp;lots of composed stuff, but also specific jammy parts. &nbsp;it got a bit ridiculous. &nbsp;we also loved segueing from one song to another and then back. &nbsp;one time, early on, we were in a battle of the bands and we switched off sets. &nbsp;we ended our first set in the middle of a jam. &nbsp;after the next band played, we picked up the jam where we left off...so that other band's set was IN our song!</div><div><br></div><div>i'm with you, i never really understood the divide between jam and prog. &nbsp;phish, for example, is totally a prog band, especially the earlier fugues etc. &nbsp;i loved them and the dead several years before i got into prog. &nbsp;just seems like a logical progression&nbsp;<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></div><div><br></div><div>i really think that anyone who is into a certain rock genre is usually a total music fan and has gone through it all. &nbsp;when i first got the bug, i wanted to hear everything...and i did. &nbsp;it's just in the last few years i've kind of settled into my top favorites and not been too eclectic. &nbsp;my top artists are TFK, Dead, Neil Young, Pat Metheny, Yes, Rush. &nbsp;of course, i love blasting classic rock at any time. &nbsp;love me some joe walsh, eagles, zeppelin, foghat...ya know!</div>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread : I must say that your taste is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 23 2013 at 14:15<br /><br />I must say that your taste is quite a lot wider than mine, I can't stand Grateful Dead.....I hate the quirky parts , I am the sun part I is RUINED by that silly bit in the middle - and Echoes by pink floyd is ruined by those squaukin Crows....<DIV></DIV>Also I absolutely Love Numbers &amp; Monsters and Men....you two would like it more if they had a nun "farting and giggling"&nbsp;in a bath halfway through or the sound of a elderly aardvark being put through a mangle by an incontinent Tin Miner from Penzance......<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" height="17" width="23" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" />]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread : Yeah, I forgot to mention that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 23 2013 at 11:04<br /><br />Yeah, I forgot to mention that I saw Bela Fleck and the Flecktones about 10 years ago, and it was an incredible show.&nbsp; For some reason, I've never gotten a hold of any of their albums.&nbsp; May have to do that, I don't know.<br><br>Zuma, when I was in college, my vision for my prog band was of a prog/jam hybrid.&nbsp; Most of my epics had "holes" in them, there specifically for free form improvisation (well, not totally free form, there was usually a riff or melody or chord progression that got things going).&nbsp; What I discovered was that the people I played with either like prog and not improv, or improv and not prog.&nbsp; My drummer was the exception, as he was into everything music wise.<br>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :  Lots to respond to...In college...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 17:44<br /><br />Lots to respond to...<div><br></div><div>In college I loved jam bands. &nbsp;Grateful Dead and Phish were favorites. &nbsp;The scene got pretty big in the early to mid 90s, especially in the midwest. &nbsp;We had a local band called Ekoostik Hookah that got pretty big. &nbsp;I played keys for a jam band around that time as well. &nbsp;We actually had a little scene going in southern Ohio. &nbsp;If we'd gotten our sh*t together, we would've had festivals etc. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I still like Phish a bit, but don't listen to anything other than a few studio albums. &nbsp;Lawnboy, Rift, Story of the Ghost and Billy Breathes are three of the best albums of all time. &nbsp;Very proggy. &nbsp;I saw them live over 50 times. &nbsp;They kind of lost their way in the late 90s. &nbsp;Haven't seen them since. &nbsp;Glad they're back at it.</div><div><br></div><div>Love the Dead and love Jerry Garcia. &nbsp;Seen them countless times as well. &nbsp;They had some proggy stuff, especially Blues for Allah, as Infandous mentioned. &nbsp;Their mid to late 70s stuff is incredible.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not to into Umphrey's. &nbsp;They sound like any other generic jamband that came out in the 90s. &nbsp;I know they do some composed stuff as well as ambient beats and stuff.</div><div><br></div><div>Dennis's edit of Snow is superb. &nbsp;All should listen now!</div><div><br></div><div>Love Bela Fleck. &nbsp;Seen him several times live. &nbsp;Very enjoyable and easy to listen to. &nbsp;I was just thinking I need to catch up with them. &nbsp;Thanks for the recommendation Darkshade.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, as far as fusion goes. &nbsp;There was a time that was all I listened to. &nbsp;Like Dennis, I preferred the composed stuff like Mahavishnu and RTF. &nbsp;The jammy stuff was cool, but gets a bit boring. &nbsp;Although, I love me some Weather Report. &nbsp;Not to much into straight ahead jazz unless its guitar. &nbsp;Love Pat Metheny, Bill Frisell, John Abercrombie, Terje Rypdal. &nbsp;All proggy and listenable. &nbsp;Terje Rypdal sounds like Roine at times.</div><div><br></div><div>Damn, now what should I listen to...prog, fusion, Dead...think I'll go with Bela Fleck<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0" alt="T&#111;ngue" title="T&#111;ngue" /></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by zumacraig - May 22 2013 at 17:49</span>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by M27BarneyIve...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 14:26<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />Ive just ordered the Hecht Novel - Ishmael is unbelievably expensive for a paperback though - 15 pounds!!! <div>Intersting list - &nbsp;Ive read quite a few obviously - I may pick from that list for my next few books....</div><div>I won't be buying the Intelligent design bollocks listed though......just one dick looking for a designer when there is clearly no such pattern nor infallible designer DOH!!!</div></td></tr></table><br><br><br>Yeah, well, Gildenlow does mention at the bottom of the list that some of the books are good, some bad, but that all of them contributed to his creation of the concept for "BE".<br>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread : Ive just ordered the Hecht Novel...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 12:42<br /><br />Ive just ordered the Hecht Novel - Ishmael is unbelievably expensive for a paperback though - 15 pounds!!! <DIV>Intersting list - &nbsp;Ive read quite a few obviously - I may pick from that list for my next few books....</DIV><DIV>I won't be buying the Intelligent design bollocks listed though......just one dick looking for a designer when there is clearly no such pattern nor infallible designer DOH!!!</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by M27Barney - May 22 2013 at 12:50</span>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by dennismoore  Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 12:05<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dennismoore</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Thanks m8,<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />&nbsp;&nbsp; I will check them out.&nbsp; And to return the favor, I have 2 suggestions for you:<br><br>Sanguine Hum (2013) - The weight of the world&nbsp; - Awesome!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Diving Bell (2012) is really good as well.)<br>I just discovered these guys, yesterday<br><br>And...<br><br>Mystery - The World Is A Game (2012).&nbsp;&nbsp; Song 2, <b><i>"Pride"</i></b> is one of the coolest songs from the last 20 years!<br>You need to blast it real loud...<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif" border="0" alt="Approve" title="Approve" /><br><br><br><br>Oh, good point, I like Bela Fleck as well...<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>I am actually friends on Facebook with the guitarist and main man of Mystery.&nbsp; Yet, I've never heard a note of their music!&nbsp; I think it was because of mutual friends (he "friended" me, as I recall).&nbsp; Anyway, that album is free to listen to on progstreaming.com at the moment, so I think I'm going to have to do that as I keep hearing good things about the band.&nbsp; Also, I though Benoit sounded pretty good on Fly From Here (even though I find the album quite weak), so I'd like to hear how he does with his "main" band.<br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by dennismoore  Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 12:01<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dennismoore</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>The Grateful Dead rarely did that cliche themselves (though they did do it a lot in the early years, late 60's, beginning of the 70's).<br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>My friend: the 60's &amp; early 70's were their<b><i> peak</i></b>. Everything after that was MTV music.&nbsp; Though I love to listen to the album, American Beauty, they did write some good tunes.&nbsp; A Friend of The Devil is a friend on mine indeed.<br><br>Did you get a chance to play my Spock's Beard - Snow edit?<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Um, I think you missed out on their best stuff then.&nbsp; Live, anyway.&nbsp; There is no "MTV music" by the Dead that I ever heard........yes, they had one "hit' video, for the song Touch Of Grey.......a song they had played live for more than 10 years before it was put on an album and used for the video.&nbsp; I've never actually owned a Greatful Dead studio album, so I can't really speak to those.&nbsp; The ones I heard I mostly disliked for the most part, but the ones I really liked were Blues For Allah and Terrapin Station (there was one other, more acoustic folksy type affair, that I can't remember the name of that I also liked a bit).&nbsp; I saw them live in 1994 and it was by far the best concert I've ever seen, musically speaking.&nbsp; The 60's and early 70's live shows I've heard were not particularly good, musically, if you ask me (though there are a couple renditions of Dark Star and&nbsp; The Other One / St. Stephen that are pretty incredible).&nbsp; Though I'm sure they were quite fun to be at.<br><br>I have not gotten around to the Snow edit.&nbsp; I will try to do that in the near future.&nbsp; I haven't listened to that album in years, so maybe your edit would be a better way to do that.<br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by infandous   Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=34252" rel="nofollow">dennismoore</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 11:10<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>The Grateful Dead rarely did that cliche themselves (though they did do it a lot in the early years, late 60's, beginning of the 70's).<br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>My friend: the 60's &amp; early 70's were their<b><i> peak</i></b>. Everything after that was MTV music.&nbsp; Though I love to listen to the album, American Beauty, they did write some good tunes.&nbsp; A Friend of The Devil is a friend on mine indeed.<br><br>Did you get a chance to play my Spock's Beard - Snow edit?<br>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by darkshade^...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=34252" rel="nofollow">dennismoore</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 11:07<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Thanks m8,<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />&nbsp;&nbsp; I will check them out.&nbsp; And to return the favor, I have 2 suggestions for you:<br><br>Sanguine Hum (2013) - The weight of the world&nbsp; - Awesome!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Diving Bell (2012) is really good as well.)<br>I just discovered these guys, yesterday<br><br>And...<br><br>Mystery - The World Is A Game (2012).&nbsp;&nbsp; Song 2, <b><i>"Pride"</i></b> is one of the coolest songs from the last 20 years!<br>You need to blast it real loud...<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif" border="0" alt="Approve" title="Approve" /><br><br><br><br>Oh, good point, I like Bela Fleck as well...<br>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :    Originally posted by darkshade^...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 10:26<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>The Grateful Dead rarely did that cliche themselves (though they did do it a lot in the early years, late 60's, beginning of the 70's).<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by infandous - May 22 2013 at 10:26</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 10:24<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />New TA Title - <span><i>Malleus Maleficarum (The hammer of witches) <div></div>or maybe even <div></div>Trondheim Hammer Dance..................</i></span></td></tr></table><br><br>That reminds me I thought of something else that would belie the idea that Roine is a Christian.&nbsp; He's been living in sin for 30+ years.&nbsp; He and his "wife" have never been legally married.&nbsp; They have two children as well, born out of wedlock, obviously.&nbsp; Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br><br>I think both those would be excellent album titles for the new TA.&nbsp; I've got my money on Ezekiel 23 (if you don't know it, you really should read it, as it is right up your alley).&nbsp; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23&amp;version=NIV<br></td></tr></table> <div>Hmmm, sounds like the geezer who wrote that wasn't getting any and in his frustration he decries all those filthy women who actually like to sleep with men (but not him obviously), fancy that eh?</div><div>The whole bible is such a crock of sh*t (bronze age ignorance) - why anybody would still use it as a basis for their life frankly depresses me....Better to read "Origin of Species" and marvel at the simplicity and beauty of an idea that should really have been realised before the genius of Darwin, the fact that it wasn't is probably due to the lazyness of mind that reading holy books leads to...Religious belief is definately a mental illness......</div><div>Anyway what were the books that inspired "Be"?</div></td></tr></table><br><br><br>I've been trying to track that down, but it doesn't seem to be on the web anymore.&nbsp; All I've found are references to the list he once had posted on the POS web site (which was where I saw it).&nbsp; All I can recall is that there were a lot of books, mostly non-fiction but with some sci-fi thrown in as well.&nbsp; You'll have to forgive me for not being able to remember a single one of them...........it was almost 10 years ago, after all.<br><br><br>***EDIT***&nbsp; I found it!!!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; http://www.painofsalvation.com/be/sources.htm<br><br>Quite a huge list.&nbsp; At the bottom of the page there is a "back" link, that will take you to the "BE" main page, where there is another link to Daniel's explanation of the concept.&nbsp; Quite a lot of thinking went into that album, it seems.<br><br>Also, I was wrong in thinking I had read "most" of the books listed.&nbsp; Maybe a third, would be more accurate (some of them are not even in English, so I'm sure I didn't read those).<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by infandous - May 22 2013 at 10:32</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 10:02<br /><br />I've really come to love Bela Fleck &amp; The Flecktones in 2013, they mix the jam band esthetics with the jazz-fusion sound, to create a wonderful combination of generally fun music. Jon Anderson also pops up on their album "Outbound", which is also one of their best albums. They're also no stranger to long albums, their album "Little Worlds" is a 3-CD set of nearly 3 hours of music.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 10:00<br /><br />^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=34252" rel="nofollow">dennismoore</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 09:56<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by zumacraig</strong></em><br /><br />what jam bands and fusion do you guys like?<div><br></div></td></tr></table><br><br>I love to roll a fatty and jam with other musicians. I can't <b><i>listen</i></b> to jam bands, too much droning on in one key.<br>God Bless composition, I say! <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><br><br>For fusion, I like Al Dimeola &amp; Alan Holdsworth and Return To Forever on occasion, I'm not a big fan of all those vague<br>jazz 9th &amp; 11th chords that go nowhere except to lead to more 9th &amp; 11th chords.<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp;&nbsp; And then millions of notes in the same whole tone scales that jazz cats wander around in. <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp; Playing millions of notes has never impressed me, whether it be John Coltrane or Yngwie Malmstein....<br><br>David Gilmour for World Emperor, I say!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 06:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />New TA Title - <SPAN><I>Malleus Maleficarum (The hammer of witches) <DIV></DIV>or maybe even <DIV></DIV>Trondheim Hammer Dance..................</I></SPAN></td></tr></table><BR><BR>That reminds me I thought of something else that would belie the idea that Roine is a Christian.&nbsp; He's been living in sin for 30+ years.&nbsp; He and his "wife" have never been legally married.&nbsp; They have two children as well, born out of wedlock, obviously.&nbsp; Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><BR><BR>I think both those would be excellent album titles for the new TA.&nbsp; I've got my money on Ezekiel 23 (if you don't know it, you really should read it, as it is right up your alley).&nbsp; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23&amp;version=NIV<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>Hmmm, sounds like the geezer who wrote that wasn't getting any and in his frustration he decries all those filthy women who actually like to sleep with men (but not him obviously), fancy that eh?</DIV><DIV>The whole bible is such a crock of sh*t (bronze age ignorance) - why anybody would still use it as a basis for their life frankly depresses me....Better to read "Origin of Species" and marvel at the simplicity and beauty of an idea that should really have been realised before the genius of Darwin, the fact that it wasn't is probably due to the lazyness of mind that reading holy books leads to...Religious belief is definately a mental illness......</DIV><DIV>Anyway what were the books that inspired "Be"?</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20309" rel="nofollow">Roj</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 22 2013 at 04:34<br /><br />Ezekiel is the best book in the bible, UFOs, aliens etc. Great stuff.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 16:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />New TA Title - <span><i>Malleus Maleficarum (The hammer of witches) <div></div>or maybe even<div></div>Trondheim Hammer Dance..................</i></span></td></tr></table><br><br>That reminds me I thought of something else that would belie the idea that Roine is a Christian.&nbsp; He's been living in sin for 30+ years.&nbsp; He and his "wife" have never been legally married.&nbsp; They have two children as well, born out of wedlock, obviously.&nbsp; Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br><br>I think both those would be excellent album titles for the new TA.&nbsp; I've got my money on Ezekiel 23 (if you don't know it, you really should read it, as it is right up your alley).&nbsp; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23&amp;version=NIV<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by infandous - May 21 2013 at 16:08</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 13:50<br /><br />New TA Title - <SPAN><I>Malleus Maleficarum (The hammer of witches) <DIV></DIV>or maybe even<DIV></DIV>Trondheim Hammer Dance..................</I></SPAN>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 13:32<br /><br />^ What were the books listed that inspired "Be" - I'm interested now <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 11:02<br /><br />I've finally posted my review of Banks.........you all probably already know what to expect and won't see much of anything new in it.&nbsp; But here it is, if you want to read it:<br><br>http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=963360<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 08:30<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />I listened to "Be", My first toe dipped in the water from "Pain of Salvation" - Some excellent stuff on the first spin - but there seemed to be too much going on in some of the tracks - my ears didn't know which bit to listen to so I sortof got lost - My youngest son says that this is the best CD ever - but he's in a phase where every new CD he hears goes straight to the top of his list - I do like the anti religious slant though - everybody questioning the non-response from the eponymous sky-fairy.........I then listed to Six Degrees by Dream Theater - and that just blew me away again - I'm in a DT appreciation phase at the moment....had 20 odd minutes to kill before the Mrs soap-operas finished so listened to Count of Tuscany - superb.....The new stuff I have sampled just lately has really disappointed me.....</td></tr></table><br><br><br>I really like the "Be" album, but I would consider that a very poor choice to start with.&nbsp; Remedy Lane would by my suggestion.&nbsp; Prog metal, but with much more emotion and "feel" than any DT album ever had.<br></td></tr></table> <div></div>Hmmm "Emotion" &amp; "Feel" - I absolutely love DT - mainly for it's sheer exhilarating virtuosity - I didn't actually dislike "Be" - but the way my son had described it I was expecting a similar buzz as I get from DT. But - it sounded too cluttered and merged into one cocophany for me several times....Rock Opera it is - but better done by Ayreon I feel&nbsp;- mind you I have only listed to it the once......Mind you we can't all like the same stuff - My son doesn't like "The test that stumped them all"...I absolutely LOVE that part......He's nearly 19 and seems to be getting more into the "Feely" type of prog perhaps..............anyway his taste is different from mine prog wise&nbsp;with a few areas of overlap.......</td></tr></table><br><br>6 Degrees is my favorite DT piece ever.&nbsp; Love that whole second CD (the first one is pretty good to, but not anywhere close to the same level).<br><br>"Be" is a very involved concept album where the concept kind of takes precedence over the music.&nbsp; Personally, I like the diversity of it and the continuity that the concept has (which is not easy to understand........Daniel originally posted a reading list, featuring more than a dozen books, on the POS website when it was first released, that he said was necessary to explain the concept.......not exactly as easy to follow as something like The Whirlwind <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> )<br><br>I just love intellectual exercises like that (plus, I had read most of the books he listed......they were, I believe, all non-fiction).&nbsp; However, I can totally understand that a lot of people didn't get it and I think POS lost a lot of fans with that one.<br><br>Trust me, Remedy Lane is much easier to get your head around and features actual songs.<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by infandous - May 21 2013 at 08:37</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20309" rel="nofollow">Roj</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 08:00<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br /><br><br>Mind you we can't all like the same stuff - My son doesn't like "The test that stumped them all"...I absolutely LOVE that part......He's nearly 19 and seems to be getting more into the "Feely" type of prog perhaps..............anyway his taste is different from mine prog wise&nbsp;with a few areas of overlap.......</td></tr></table><br><br>My favourite part of 6DOIT right there <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley42.gif" border="0" alt="Handshake" title="Handshake" />.&nbsp; Tell your son he's a numpty.<br><br>For me 6DOIT starts well and builds brilliantly with TTTSTA being the peak, after that it tails off a little.<br><br>Greta news about Transatlantic, but why no release till next year?&nbsp; They usually take about 3 days to record their albums, unless it's a quadruple this time <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />.<br><br>Ah well not to worry, with TFK's new one not far away and finally a new album from Boards of Canada out on 10th June (after 7 years wait I'm hoping this delivers) to add to two 5-star classics already this year 2013 is panning out well<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif" border="0" alt="Approve" title="Approve" />.&nbsp; It's a good job the Mayans were wrong...........<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Roj - May 21 2013 at 08:01</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 06:44<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />I listened to "Be", My first toe dipped in the water from "Pain of Salvation" - Some excellent stuff on the first spin - but there seemed to be too much going on in some of the tracks - my ears didn't know which bit to listen to so I sortof got lost - My youngest son says that this is the best CD ever - but he's in a phase where every new CD he hears goes straight to the top of his list - I do like the anti religious slant though - everybody questioning the non-response from the eponymous sky-fairy.........I then listed to Six Degrees by Dream Theater - and that just blew me away again - I'm in a DT appreciation phase at the moment....had 20 odd minutes to kill before the Mrs soap-operas finished so listened to Count of Tuscany - superb.....The new stuff I have sampled just lately has really disappointed me.....</td></tr></table><BR><BR><BR>I really like the "Be" album, but I would consider that a very poor choice to start with.&nbsp; Remedy Lane would by my suggestion.&nbsp; Prog metal, but with much more emotion and "feel" than any DT album ever had.<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Hmmm "Emotion" &amp; "Feel" - I absolutely love DT - mainly for it's sheer exhilarating virtuosity - I didn't actually dislike "Be" - but the way my son had described it I was expecting a similar buzz as I get from DT. But - it sounded too cluttered and merged into one cocophany for me several times....Rock Opera it is - but better done by Ayreon I feel&nbsp;- mind you I have only listed to it the once......Mind you we can't all like the same stuff - My son doesn't like "The test that stumped them all"...I absolutely LOVE that part......He's nearly 19 and seems to be getting more into the "Feely" type of prog perhaps..............anyway his taste is different from mine prog wise&nbsp;with a few areas of overlap.......]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46884" rel="nofollow">mageestout</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 21 2013 at 06:44<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by mageestout</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ I could even see 103.3 Princeton playing it, in fact, they would probably play Numbers, as I've caught them playing long songs before, like Herbie Hancock's "Chameleon" (about 16 minutes)</td></tr></table> <br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Another great tune.</div><br /><div>Herbie is one of my favs</div><br /><div>Besides being a prog-head I'm also a jazz-head</div></td></tr></table>Same. Lately it's been more jazz/fusion, jam bands, and Zappa than prog.</td></tr></table> <br /><br /><br />With the jazz/fusion I'm always up for Herbie, Miles, Freddie Hubbard....and some others...<br /><br />Jam bands - was a big Deadhead back in my 20's so I always appreciate them and like-minded groups.<br /> <br />Love Zappa from 1965 (early mothers) to late 70's - except when he gets overly juvenile (which is why from around Joe's Garage on it loses its appeal to me.  I think HOT RATS, WAKA/JAKA, and THE GRAND WAZOO are incredible, I really enjoy the schitzo-satire of the early mothers, can do without Flo & Eddie and the groupie music (even though I do like CHUNGAS REVENGE). He kills me sometimes - like OverniteSensation & Apostrophe have some incredible stuff, then theres crap like "DinahMoHum" on it. The man was a paradox.<br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 22:12<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />Click on the link in my sig.<br><br>I'm thinking a green-dominated cover art for TA4, maybe purple.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Just listened to some Larry Coryell earlier......11th House.&nbsp; I don't listen to much fusion these days.&nbsp; Or jam bands for that matter <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0" alt="Embarrassed" title="Embarrassed" />&nbsp; Greatful Dead sometimes (also play their tunes on guitar).<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 19:46<br /><br />Click on the link in my sig.<br><br>I'm thinking a green-dominated cover art for TA4, maybe purple.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 19:17<br /><br />what jam bands and fusion do you guys like?<div><br></div><div>that TA news is great! &nbsp; TA-4 would be cool title.</div>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by mageestout Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 17:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by mageestout</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ I could even see 103.3 Princeton playing it, in fact, they would probably play Numbers, as I've caught them playing long songs before, like Herbie Hancock's "Chameleon" (about 16 minutes)</td></tr></table> <div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Another great tune.</div><div>Herbie is one of my favs</div><div>Besides being a prog-head I'm also a jazz-head</div></td></tr></table><br><br>Same. Lately it's been more jazz/fusion, jam bands, and Zappa than prog.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46884" rel="nofollow">mageestout</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 17:48<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ I could even see 103.3 Princeton playing it, in fact, they would probably play Numbers, as I've caught them playing long songs before, like Herbie Hancock's "Chameleon" (about 16 minutes)</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Another great tune.</DIV><DIV>Herbie is one of my favs</DIV><DIV>Besides being a prog-head I'm also a jazz-head</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :  Big news today on the new TransAtlantic...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 17:24<br /><br />Big news today on the new TransAtlantic album!!!<br><br><a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92458&amp;PID=4782123#4782123" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92458&amp;PID=4782123#4782123</a><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by darkshade - May 20 2013 at 17:26</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 10:35<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by darkshade</strong></em><br /><br />^ Have you heard DT's new one yet? I think it's one of their best, and apparently, their next album is going to feature an orchestra.</td></tr></table><br><br>They have a new one?&nbsp; Or are you talking about the one that came out last year?&nbsp; (when I think "new", I think released in the past month or so)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 10:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by M27Barney</strong></em><br /><br />I listened to "Be", My first toe dipped in the water from "Pain of Salvation" - Some excellent stuff on the first spin - but there seemed to be too much going on in some of the tracks - my ears didn't know which bit to listen to so I sortof got lost - My youngest son says that this is the best CD ever - but he's in a phase where every new CD he hears goes straight to the top of his list - I do like the anti religious slant though - everybody questioning the non-response from the eponymous sky-fairy.........I then listed to Six Degrees by Dream Theater - and that just blew me away again - I'm in a DT appreciation phase at the moment....had 20 odd minutes to kill before the Mrs soap-operas finished so listened to Count of Tuscany - superb.....The new stuff I have sampled just lately has really disappointed me.....</td></tr></table><br><br><br>I really like the "Be" album, but I would consider that a very poor choice to start with.&nbsp; Remedy Lane would by my suggestion.&nbsp; Prog metal, but with much more emotion and "feel" than any DT album ever had.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 07:46<br /><br />^ I could even see 103.3 Princeton playing it, in fact, they would probably play Numbers, as I've caught them playing long songs before, like Herbie Hancock's "Chameleon" (about 16 minutes)]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread : Been soaking in BANKS OF EDEN...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46884" rel="nofollow">mageestout</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 20 2013 at 07:15<br /><br />Been soaking in BANKS OF EDEN and it feels to me FOR THE LOVE OF GOLD is TFK's "Roundabout". Not that it sounds like it - although the song has many YES flourishes; but that its a nice combo of prog and (dare I say) pop. If it were 1971 and it was released (as an 3.42 edit - of course) it would share the same success as ROUNDABOUT did and become a classic rock radio staple. Ahhhhhh... but I am only dreaming here. It doesn't work like that anymore.<br /><br />In the same vein LolLines would make a great single. It would be nice it some open minded college radio station would start playing it. Where I am I imagine WXPN 88.5 would play it. I must start bugging them!<br /><br />Anyone want to weigh in with thoughts.........<br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 19 2013 at 20:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dennismoore</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dr wu23</strong></em><br /><br />Just finished listening to Stardust and Unfold by TFK (I've owned them for several years now but hadn't played them for a while..).....each on a separate day.<div>I hosestly can't recall a single melody or song on them. Maybe it's just me and something with TFK doesn't resonnate with me but I have been listening to prog snce 1969.</div><div>Maybe I need to see a prog shrink...?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></div></td></tr></table><br><br>Doc:<br><br>You are fine, TFK music is dense like no other band, even the classic prog acts of the 70's(this is not to say they are better or worse).&nbsp; There is only one person on the planet(our resident savant Infandous) who gets TFK on the first listen.&nbsp; And you have learned TFK do have a bit of filler which can put a person off.&nbsp; Select the tunes you like, ignore the rest.&nbsp; You will find hours of magic if you venture repeated listens, TFK need a while to process like no other band I have ever heard. YES-ELP-Genesis are my favs, for reference...<br><br><br><br><br><br>To the group: I have been under the weather, sorry for my absence.&nbsp; If anybody cares you can PM me for details...<br><br>Love ya all.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>To be fair, it took me about a year to get into Unfold The Future.&nbsp; I suppose there were some things I liked that kept me coming back, but my original feeling hearing it the first few times was disappointment.&nbsp; It was, I have to say, well worth the effort in the end.<br><br>Stardust took some time as well for me, but more like 6 - 8 listens or so before the gold on it won me over.&nbsp; I liked the first few songs and the title track on the first listen though.<br><br>I STILL haven't "got" Adam &amp; Eve either <img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 19 2013 at 10:55<br /><br />Dennis-<br /><br />Great point about TFK.  If there was ever a 'grower' band, it's them.  My process is to have meditative listening sessions on TFK stuff.  If a part is annoying, then I just focus on an instrument, usually Jonas.  He's got his own sound with enough Squire and Jaco to keep me excited.  Usually after some sustaind attention, the tunes become my friends and I'm able to rock out a bit.  Unfortunately, ther as re a few tunes I just don't like. Adam+Eve being one.<br /><br />On a related note, I've also been listening to that 3rd World Electric disc which sent down the Weather Report rabbit hole.  Lots of good stuff there.<br /><br />DM-glad you're feeling better.  PM on the way.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=34252" rel="nofollow">dennismoore</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 18 2013 at 20:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dr wu23</strong></em><br /><br />Just finished listening to Stardust and Unfold by TFK (I've owned them for several years now but hadn't played them for a while..).....each on a separate day.<div>I hosestly can't recall a single melody or song on them. Maybe it's just me and something with TFK doesn't resonnate with me but I have been listening to prog snce 1969.</div><div>Maybe I need to see a prog shrink...?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></div></td></tr></table><br><br>Doc:<br><br>You are fine, TFK music is dense like no other band, even the classic prog acts of the 70's(this is not to say they are better or worse).&nbsp; There is only one person on the planet(our resident savant Infandous) who gets TFK on the first listen.&nbsp; And you have learned TFK do have a bit of filler which can put a person off.&nbsp; Select the tunes you like, ignore the rest.&nbsp; You will find hours of magic if you venture repeated listens, TFK need a while to process like no other band I have ever heard. YES-ELP-Genesis are my favs, for reference...<br><br><br><br><br><br>To the group: I have been under the weather, sorry for my absence.&nbsp; If anybody cares you can PM me for details...<br><br>Love ya all.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 18 2013 at 16:20<br /><br />Yeah, the last DT is excellent.  I need to give PoS some attention soon.<br /><br />I've been listening to Bill Frisell a lot lately.  Great guitarist.]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread : ^ Have you heard DT&amp;#039;s new...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 18 2013 at 13:13<br /><br />^ Have you heard DT's new one yet? I think it's one of their best, and apparently, their next album is going to feature an orchestra.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10971" rel="nofollow">M27Barney</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 18 2013 at 12:45<br /><br />I listened to "Be", My first toe dipped in the water from "Pain of Salvation" - Some excellent stuff on the first spin - but there seemed to be too much going on in some of the tracks - my ears didn't know which bit to listen to so I sortof got lost - My youngest son says that this is the best CD ever - but he's in a phase where every new CD he hears goes straight to the top of his list - I do like the anti religious slant though - everybody questioning the non-response from the eponymous sky-fairy.........I then listed to Six Degrees by Dream Theater - and that just blew me away again - I'm in a DT appreciation phase at the moment....had 20 odd minutes to kill before the Mrs soap-operas finished so listened to Count of Tuscany - superb.....The new stuff I have sampled just lately has really disappointed me..... <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by M27Barney - May 18 2013 at 12:46</span>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :  Originally posted by mageestout Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 20:45<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by mageestout</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dr wu23</strong></em><br /><br />Just finished listening to Stardust and Unfold by TFK (I've owned them for several years now but hadn't played them for a while..).....each on a separate day. <br /><div>I hosestly can't recall a single melody or song on them. Maybe it's just me and something with TFK doesn't resonnate with me but I have been listening to prog snce 1969.</div><br /><div>Maybe I need to see a prog shrink...?</div><br /><div> </div><br /><div><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></div></td></tr></table> <br /><div></div><br /><div></div><br /><div> </div><br /><div> </div><br /><div>Nah. I'm the same way with "H" era Marillion. I own about 5 of those LPs, and KNOW they are a good/great band, but it doesn't resonnate either. Every now & then I listen and enjoy but rarely do the tunes stick in my head.</div><br /><div> </div><br /><div>However being new to TFK I have "LoLines" buzzing through my head, and last week it was "Minor Giant Steps"</div><br /><div> </div><br /><div> </div><br /><div>A prog shrink.....hmmmmm....</div><br /><div>Would it be Dr. Spock (Beard): "Now tell me about more your (atome heart) mother and your dreams (theater)"</div></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Scott, <br />You're hilarious!  ]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread : Aside from a listen to Space Revolver...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5630" rel="nofollow">darkshade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 15:59<br /><br />Aside from a listen to Space Revolver a few weeks back, I don't think I've listened to any TFK in 2013.]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :  Originally posted by dr wu23Just...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46884" rel="nofollow">mageestout</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 15:57<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dr wu23</strong></em><br /><br />Just finished listening to Stardust and Unfold by TFK (I've owned them for several years now but hadn't played them for a while..).....each on a separate day. <DIV>I hosestly can't recall a single melody or song on them. Maybe it's just me and something with TFK doesn't resonnate with me but I have been listening to prog snce 1969.</DIV><DIV>Maybe I need to see a prog shrink...?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Nah. I'm the same way with "H" era Marillion. I own about 5 of those LPs, and KNOW they are a good/great band, but it doesn't resonnate either. Every now &amp; then I listen and enjoy but rarely do the tunes stick in my head.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>However being new to TFK I have "LoLines" buzzing through my head, and last week it was "Minor Giant Steps"</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>A prog shrink.....hmmmmm....</DIV><DIV>Would it be Dr. Spock (Beard): "Now tell me about more your (atome heart) mother and your dreams (theater)"</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=13912" rel="nofollow">rushfan4</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 15:44<br /><br />What is the general feel around these parts about the band Shadow Circus?&nbsp; Have any of you guys checked them out?&nbsp; If not, I think that they might have some appeal to Flower King fans.&nbsp; They are quite different but also sort of similar.]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by dr wu23Just...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 15:30<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by dr wu23</strong></em><br /><br />Just finished listening to Stardust and Unfold by TFK (I've owned them for several years now but hadn't played them for a while..).....each on a separate day.<div>I hosestly can't recall a single melody or song on them. Maybe it's just me and something with TFK doesn't resonnate with me but I have been listening to prog snce 1969.</div><div>Maybe I need to see a prog shrink...?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>they definitely aren't an immediate band, although, that chorus on stardust, the song, is quite memorable. &nbsp;i liked the sound of the band, so i just focused on listening to them rather than judging them (not saying you are). &nbsp;for me, the days of fist pumping, euphoric reactions to music are gone. &nbsp;nothing really blows me away anymore and the classic stuff that did i've heard a billion times. &nbsp;so, i just settle in with some TFK and listen for surprises and when a killer riff comes around, that's icing on the cake.<img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></div>]]>
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   <title>Flower Kings Appreciation Thread :   Originally posted by infandous  Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=38004" rel="nofollow">zumacraig</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 15:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by infandous</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by zumacraig</strong></em><br /><br />Infandous-<br><br>You're right on about a whirlwind.  we also agree on eeping forest:). Now, if you'd express you true repressed feelings about starlight man, then we'd be getting somewhere;)<br><br>Nice rant Barney.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>You know it's interesting,&nbsp; but it always seems to me that prog bands that include "pop" sounding songs always seem to come up with stuff that you might have heard on the radio 20 or 30 years ago.&nbsp; I always see people saying, "that song would be on the radio if people knew about it and this band", or something along those lines.&nbsp; Yet to me, the brand of pop that most prog bands seem to dabble in is always many years out of date.&nbsp; Starlight Man is not the best example of this, as it came out in 2004, but even then I think it was probably a bit retro as a pop song.&nbsp; I always felt Neal Morse's more pop oriented stuff back when he was in Spock's was very 80's sounding, and all their albums with him were from the mid to late 90's.&nbsp; When I listen to our local "contemporary pop" station (which my son likes and begs me to put on for him in the car), I hear nothing even remotely like Starlight Man or All On A Sunday or whatever.&nbsp; Just an observation that may not be completely on point, I don't know.<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>no, you're totally right. &nbsp;the stuff on the radio today is not 'band' music...it's electronic hip hop. &nbsp;i really don't hear any of the poppy prog stuff could be on the radio now or in the past. &nbsp;the production is just so different...especially since the 70s. &nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=30273" rel="nofollow">dr wu23</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 15:00<br /><br />Just finished listening to Stardust and Unfold by TFK (I've owned them for several years now but hadn't played them for a while..).....each on a separate day.<DIV>I hosestly can't recall a single melody or song on them. Maybe it's just me and something with TFK doesn't resonnate with me but I have been listening to prog snce 1969.</DIV><DIV>Maybe I need to see a prog shrink...?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7409" rel="nofollow">infandous</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 17 2013 at 07:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by zumacraig</strong></em><br /><br />Infandous-<br><br>You're right on about a whirlwind.  we also agree on eeping forest:). Now, if you'd express you true repressed feelings about starlight man, then we'd be getting somewhere;)<br><br>Nice rant Barney.<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>You know it's interesting,&nbsp; but it always seems to me that prog bands that include "pop" sounding songs always seem to come up with stuff that you might have heard on the radio 20 or 30 years ago.&nbsp; I always see people saying, "that song would be on the radio if people knew about it and this band", or something along those lines.&nbsp; Yet to me, the brand of pop that most prog bands seem to dabble in is always many years out of date.&nbsp; Starlight Man is not the best example of this, as it came out in 2004, but even then I think it was probably a bit retro as a pop song.&nbsp; I always felt Neal Morse's more pop oriented stuff back when he was in Spock's was very 80's sounding, and all their albums with him were from the mid to late 90's.&nbsp; When I listen to our local "contemporary pop" station (which my son likes and begs me to put on for him in the car), I hear nothing even remotely like Starlight Man or All On A Sunday or whatever.&nbsp; Just an observation that may not be completely on point, I don't know.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45106" rel="nofollow">AlanB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 54797<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May 16 2013 at 12:18<br /><br />Interesting discussion about the merits of the Transatlantic albums.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>For me, All Of The Above and We All Need Some Light are the best TA songs ever - the rest of SMPTe (especially the Procol Harum cover) doesn't do a lot for me. Bridge is a more even album but I don't think anything on it comes close to the 2 songs named above. As for The Whirlwind, I like it and I think it's the best complete album - though even as a Christian I think Dancing With Eternal Glory is a bit cheesy!!</DIV>]]>
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