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Posted: December 30 2011 at 10:50

Originally posted by CloseToTheMoon

... but is there an album a rock-based dude like me should pick up?

 
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]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:50:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395338#4395338 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : I own Kind of Blue and a disc... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395320#4395320 Author: CloseToTheMoon
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 30 2011 at 10:30

I own Kind of Blue and a disc called The Birth of Cool, but they kind of put me to sleep. I genuinely respect jazz, but I just don't get it. I've heard some of Bitches Brew and that was better, but is there an album a rock-based dude like me should pick up?

]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:30:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395320#4395320 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : In Person Friday and Saturday... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395305#4395305 Author: bensommer
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 30 2011 at 10:09

In Person Friday and Saturday Nights at the Blackhawk

I know that's just one :)

I jammed to that album a million times when I was 15

And how is this prog, btw?
]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:09:13 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395305#4395305 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : My top three are pretty much interchangable... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395301#4395301 Author: Mellotron Storm
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 30 2011 at 10:03

My top three are pretty much interchangable :
Bitches Brew
A Tribute To Jack Johnson
Dark Magus

In A Silent Way
Live-Evil

]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:03:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395301#4395301 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Including live albums: Dark... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395269#4395269 Author: zravkapt
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 30 2011 at 09:20

Including live albums:
 
Dark Magus
On The Corner
Live Evil
A Tribute To Jack Johnson
Bitches Brew
 
]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:20:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395269#4395269 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : all electric Miles for me: In... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395182#4395182 Author: zoviet
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 30 2011 at 07:12


all electric Miles for me:

In A Silent Way
Bitches Brew
Tribute to Jack Johnson
Big Fun
On The Corner

i love Get Up With It too, tho i must say the main thing i love abt it is largely He Loved Him Madly..... ]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:12:37 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4395182#4395182 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : 1. Round About Midnight2. Kind... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4394050#4394050 Author: The Miracle
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 28 2011 at 23:17

1. Round About Midnight
2. Kind Of Blue
3. Friday and Saturday Nights at the Blackhawk, Complete
4. Relaxin'
5. Birth of the Cool

Something like that. It's not a definitive list by any means though. As you can see I prefer the pure jazz era to fusion.



Edited by The Miracle - December 28 2011 at 23:18]]> Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:17:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4394050#4394050 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : A Tribute to Jack JohnsonIn a... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4394047#4394047 Author: criticdrummer94
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 28 2011 at 23:11

A Tribute to Jack Johnson
In a Silent Way
Kind of Blue
On the Corner
Bitches Brew
]]> Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:11:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4394047#4394047 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Originally posted by LoganI'll... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203437#4203437 Author: Saperlipopette!
Subject: 73931
Posted: June 24 2011 at 06:08

Originally posted by Logan

I'll stick to studio albums, though I really like Dark Magus, Agharta and Pangaea.

Get Up With It
Big Fun
In a Silent Way
Bitches Brew
Nefertiti


Mine's pretty identical. I might swap the excellent Nefertiti for either Filles de Kilimanjaro or the hugely underappreciated Water Babies, though.
]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:08:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203437#4203437 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Yeah, I've got only a dozen... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203425#4203425 Author: dreadpirateroberts
Subject: 73931
Posted: June 24 2011 at 05:07

Yeah, I've got only a dozen or so of his albums and it doesn't really scratch the surface, but (in no real order)

Sketches of Spain
In a Silent Way
Kind of Blue
Round About Midnight
Miles Smiles]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:07:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203425#4203425 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Surprised I haven'tv already... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203408#4203408 Author: Sean Trane
Subject: 73931
Posted: June 24 2011 at 03:59

Surprised I haven'tv already answered given the thread creation date Confused
 
 
in terms of chronology
 
Kind Of Blue
Sketches Of Spain
Miles In The Sky
In A Silent Way
Bitches Brew
Tribute To Jack johnson
Live -Evil
Gondwana (Pangea >> the other primitive continentWink)
Agartha-


Edited by Sean Trane - June 24 2011 at 04:01]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:59:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203408#4203408 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : I don't even think I have... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203402#4203402 Author: Man With Hat
Subject: 73931
Posted: June 24 2011 at 03:38

I don't even think I have 15% of his discog but nevertheless...
 
Dark Magus
Pangea
Tribute To JJ
In A Silent Way
Live At Fillmore


Edited by Man With Hat - June 24 2011 at 03:39]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:38:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203402#4203402 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : 1. Pangaea2. Agharta3. On... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203399#4203399 Author: idoownu
Subject: 73931
Posted: June 24 2011 at 03:27

1. Pangaea
2. Agharta
3. On the Corner
4. Get Up With It
5. Bitches Brew
]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:27:11 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=4203399#4203399 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Originally posted by Matthew... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3987849#3987849 Author: jean-marie
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 17 2010 at 15:22

Originally posted by Matthew T

1....Kind of Blue
2....Milestones
3....Miles Smiles
4....In a Silent Way
5....ESP
 
In the number 5 area there is a few more that could have just as easily made it but hey ESP was the first of that aaaaaawesome quintet,Shorter,Hancock,Carter,Williams and Davis
           it's a bit funny cause i was about to choose that good columbia compilation  MILES DAVIS QUINTET  1965 1968 IT4S REALY GOOD STUFFApprove]]> Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:22:55 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3987849#3987849 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : 1....Kind of Blue 2....Milestones 3....Miles... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3987809#3987809 Author: Matthew T
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 17 2010 at 15:00

1....Kind of Blue
2....Milestones
3....Miles Smiles
4....In a Silent Way
5....ESP
 
In the number 5 area there is a few more that could have just as easily made it but hey ESP was the first of that aaaaaawesome quintet,Shorter,Hancock,Carter,Williams and Davis
]]> Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:00:05 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3987809#3987809 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : 1 ina silent way 2 kind of blue... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3987617#3987617 Author: jean-marie
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 17 2010 at 12:38

1 ina silent way 2 kind of blue 3 porgy and bess 4bitches brew 5 tutuBeer]]> Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:38:49 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3987617#3987617 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Tribute to JJ is the best. Not... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3984536#3984536 Author: Majikthise
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 15 2010 at 05:18

Tribute to JJ is the best. Not a big fan of Britches Brew, it's just a little bit too up itself. 

Kind of Blue comes in at number 2, and I don't really know the others well enough to rank them.

]]> Wed, 15 Dec 2010 05:18:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3984536#3984536 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : An interesting poll question!!!... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3983085#3983085 Author: oddiyo
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 14 2010 at 04:17

An interesting poll question!!! My Top 5 by Miles...
1) "IN A SILENT WAY"
2) "MILESTONES"
3) "SEVEN STEPS TO HEAVEN"
4) "JACK JOHNSON"
5) "BIG FUN"
]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:17:56 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3983085#3983085 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Bitches BrewBig FunSketches of... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982746#3982746 Author: SaltyJon
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 20:47

Bitches Brew
Big Fun
Sketches of Spain
Ascensour pour l'echafaud
On the Corner
]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:47:06 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982746#3982746 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Here's what all I got:Birth... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982603#3982603 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 18:44

Here's what all I got:
Birth of the Cool
Round About Midnight
Milestones
Porgy and Bess
Kind of Blue
Sketches of Spain
Someday My Prince Will Come
Sorceror
Quiet Nights
E.S.P.
Miles Smiles
Complete In A Silent Way Sessions, The
Filles De Kilimanjaro
Miles In The Sky
Water Babies
Complete Bitches Brew Sessions, The
Tribute to Jack Johnson, A
Big Fun
On the Corner
Pangaea
Agharta
Amandla
Miles Ahead

And I can see from some of the lists here there's much more to explore.

]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:44:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982603#3982603 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Originally posted by The Truth Actually,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982576#3982576 Author: keiser willhelm
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 18:24

Originally posted by The Truth

Actually, I only have five. LOL


... and two of those 5 arent kind of blue or in a silent way? hmmmmm...
]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:24:31 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982576#3982576 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Originally posted by TriceratopsoilI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982467#3982467 Author: The Truth
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 17:04

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil

I don't even have 5 Davis albums

DON'T KILL ME
 
Not cool coolin.
 
*BANG*
 
 
 
 
 
Actually, I only have five. LOL
]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:04:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982467#3982467 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Kind Of Blue Bitches Brew Porgy... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982460#3982460 Author: Bitterblogger
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 16:58

Kind Of Blue
Bitches Brew
Porgy & Bess
Jack Johnson
Aura
]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:58:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982460#3982460 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : 1. Big Fun 2. Get Up With It 3.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982362#3982362 Author: The Truth
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 16:07

1. Big Fun
2. Get Up With It
3. Bitches Brew
4.Round About Midnight
5. Live - Evil
]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:07:35 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982362#3982362 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Porgy & Bess, On the Corner,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982304#3982304 Author: Anderson III
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 15:28

Porgy & Bess, On the Corner, Big Fun and Sorcerer also get played regularly.]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:28:11 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982304#3982304 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Originally posted by PekkaJust... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982290#3982290 Author: Anderson III
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 13 2010 at 15:20

Originally posted by Pekka

Just off the top of my head:

1. On the Corner
2. Kind of Blue
3. Bitches Brew
4. Get Up with It
5. Filles de Kilimanjaro


Diverse!   Thumbs Up

Mine:

1. Bitches Brew
2. In a Silent Way
3. Kind of Blue
4. A Tribute to Jack Johnson
5. Get Up with It
]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:20:35 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3982290#3982290 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : we want milesthe man with the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3980041#3980041 Author: akaBona
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 11 2010 at 17:48

we want miles
the man with the horn
tutu
bitches brew
decoy
]]> Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:48:13 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3980041#3980041 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Kind Of Blue Seven Steps To Heaven Cookin'... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3979894#3979894 Author: Tychovski
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 11 2010 at 14:25

Kind Of Blue
Seven Steps To Heaven
Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet
Four & More
Miles Smiles
 
]]> Sat, 11 Dec 2010 14:25:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3979894#3979894 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : in no particular orderStudio:In... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3979867#3979867 Author: darkshade
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:57

in no particular order

Studio:
In A Silent Way
Kind of Blue
Bitches Brew
Miles Smiles
A Tribute to Jack Johnson

honorary mention: Miles In The Sky

Live:
Dark Magus
Arghartha
Live at the Plugged Nickel
Black Beauty
It's About That Time

]]> Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:57:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3979867#3979867 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : It's really hard to say,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3979842#3979842 Author: OpenLens
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:43

It's really hard to say, but:

1. Kind of Blue
2. Bitches Brew
3. On the Corner
4. Round About Midnight
5. Sketches of Spain
]]> Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:43:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3979842#3979842 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : No orderKind Of BlueBitches... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3977587#3977587 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 09 2010 at 19:28

No order

Kind Of Blue
Bitches Brew
In A Silent Way
Jack Johnson
Sketches Of Spam, er, Spain


Edited by Slartibartfast - December 13 2010 at 18:41]]> Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:28:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3977587#3977587 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : "Kind of Blue""Bitches... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976897#3976897 Author: dwill123
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 09 2010 at 08:48

"Kind of Blue"
"Bitches Brew"
"In a Silent Way"
"You're Under Arrest" (if only for "Human Nature")
"Live Around the World" (contains a live recording from Miles' last concert performance ever)]]> Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:48:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976897#3976897 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Just off the top of my head:1.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976560#3976560 Author: Pekka
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 22:56

Just off the top of my head:

1. On the Corner
2. Kind of Blue
3. Bitches Brew
4. Get Up with It
5. Filles de Kilimanjaro
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:56:59 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976560#3976560 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Don't know about 5, but Bitches... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976558#3976558 Author: Ivan_Melgar_M
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 22:56

Don't know about 5, but Bitches Brew is amazing.

Iván
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:56:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976558#3976558 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : I don't even have 5 Davis... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976546#3976546 Author: Triceratopsoil
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 22:52

I don't even have 5 Davis albums

DON'T KILL ME
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:52:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976546#3976546 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : I'll stick to studio albums,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976466#3976466 Author: Logan
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 21:56

I'll stick to studio albums, though I really like Dark Magus, Agharta and Pangaea.

Get Up With It
Big Fun
In a Silent Way
Bitches Brew
Nefertiti
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:56:04 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976466#3976466 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : 1. In a Silent Way (must have... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976465#3976465 Author: The Quiet One
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 21:54

1. In a Silent Way (must have listened to it more than 80 times this year)
2. Kind of Blue (one of the greatest jazz albums I've ever heard, beautiful)
3. Live-Evil
4. A Tribute to Jack Johnson
5. My Funny Valentine
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:54:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976465#3976465 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Mine so far: In a Silent Way Kind... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976462#3976462 Author: tarkus1980
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 21:48

Mine so far:

In a Silent Way
Kind of Blue
Sketches of Spain
Milestones
Live at the Fillmore West
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:48:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976462#3976462 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : Well, I only have Kind of Blue... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976433#3976433 Author: Lark the Starless
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 21:14

Well, I only have Kind of Blue and Bitches Brew.

I'm liking Kob better than BB.
 
Bitches is probably a grower though.
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:14:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976433#3976433 Top 5 Miles Davis Albums : What are your top 5 albums from... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976247#3976247 Author: Anthony H.
Subject: 73931
Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:54

What are your top 5 albums from Miles?

Here are mine:

1) Bitches Brew
2) Kind of Blue
3) Get Up With It
4) A Tribute to Jack Johnson
5) In a Silent Way
]]> Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:54:30 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73931&PID=3976247#3976247