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Posted: July 26 2012 at 00:00

I've heard one pre-Perry album (Next) and enjoyed it.  I actually haven't heard a Journey album with Steve Perry, but I have the 2 disc greatest hits album, and it's much more powerful that Next, imo.  I'd much rather listen to Faithfully than The Hustler.  ]]> Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:00:23 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4582861#4582861 Journey : prog vs AOR : I wish they would intigrate more... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4582820#4582820 Author: luchenzo
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Posted: July 25 2012 at 22:51

I wish they would intigrate more progressive elements into their music. Even though I like all phases of the band, I find them more interesting musically when they make the music more than just the background.
 
 
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]]> Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:51:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4582820#4582820 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by harmonium.ro Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349756#4349756 Author: Logan
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 20:30

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by rushfan4

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSCoydgtUU[/tube]



I don't find it completely musically different; it actually has a VERY Zeuhlish vibe to me (though the lead guitar makes is sound more significantly different). I like it.


Indeed. It reminds me a lot of Jean Paul Prat's music. So not Magma, but Zeuhl.


It reminded me most of Jean-Paul Prat's Masal too -- neat that we heard the same (the opening is very reminscent of Masal).  I'm a big fan of that album, but still don't the have later one.  And when I heard Jean-Paul Prat's Masal, it reminded me more of the Zeuhl bands such as Paga and Weidorje, and Zao, than Magma, (which is more why I thought Masal on the Zeuhl side, but I guess any Zeuhl fan will get it when they hear it).  But of course they all have stylistic similarities which is why Prat, Eskaton etc. style can be named after a Vander construct (Zeuhl - celestial music).  That Journey track does remind me of some more, rather Offering like Magma music, and stuff like Felicite Thosz (hmm, maybe not that one -- I don't listen to Zeuhl as much as some years ago when I was a completist).

Incidentally, I considerably prefer the live version of that track that I posted to the studio one.


Edited by Logan - November 15 2011 at 20:32]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:30:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349756#4349756 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by lucas Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349619#4349619 Author: harmonium.ro
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 18:39

Originally posted by lucas

Originally posted by The Miracle

 Amazingly AOR is winning though. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.Confused
sometimes you have to admit that prog is worse than pop.
To put it simply, there is no emotion in prog Journey.
With Steve Smith on drums and Steve Perry on vocals, this band could only IMPROVE (a drummer coming from jazz circles, and a vocalist whose inspiration comes from Sam Cooke).
 
An album like 'Frontiers' is excellent AOR, and blows away everything they released pre-Perry.
 
...
 
and a song that reminds a lot 80s Rush :

...


Obviously good stuff, even if not my kind of music of choice. Thanks for the samples.
]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:39:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349619#4349619 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by Logan Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349595#4349595 Author: harmonium.ro
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 18:20

Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by rushfan4

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSCoydgtUU[/tube]



I don't find it completely musically different; it actually has a VERY Zeuhlish vibe to me (though the lead guitar makes is sound more significantly different). I like it.


Indeed. It reminds me a lot of Jean Paul Prat's music. So not Magma, but Zeuhl.
]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:20:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349595#4349595 Journey : prog vs AOR : Oh yes. I definitely hear... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349446#4349446 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:42

Oh yes.  I definitely hear the 80's Rush sound in Only Solutions.  I'd never noticed that before. ]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:42:42 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349446#4349446 Journey : prog vs AOR : Early Journey had some good prog,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349433#4349433 Author: Epignosis
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:33

Early Journey had some good prog, but Steve Perry and the pop Journey is far better.  Nothing wrong with well-crafted and well-executed commercial music.]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:33:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349433#4349433 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by The MiracleAmazingly... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349405#4349405 Author: lucas
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:07

Originally posted by The Miracle

 Amazingly AOR is winning though. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.Confused
sometimes you have to admit that prog is worse than pop.
To put it simply, there is no emotion in prog Journey.
With Steve Smith on drums and Steve Perry on vocals, this band could only IMPROVE (a drummer coming from jazz circles, and a vocalist whose inspiration comes from Sam Cooke).
 
An album like 'Frontiers' is excellent AOR, and blows away everything they released pre-Perry.
 
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]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:07:34 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349405#4349405 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by rushfan4 This... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349233#4349233 Author: The Miracle
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 14:10

 
Originally posted by rushfan4

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSCoydgtUU[/tube]


That one's actually pretty good!

They went very quickly from a mediocre pop-fusion band to a horrible AOR one. I don't like either but the early stuff is at least listenable.
Amazingly AOR is winning though. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.Confused


Edited by The Miracle - November 15 2011 at 14:17]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:10:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349233#4349233 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by rushfan4 This... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349098#4349098 Author: Logan
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 15 2011 at 12:20

Originally posted by rushfan4

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSCoydgtUU[/tube]


I like this live version:

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwRSjLXIIYc[/tube]

I don't find it completely musically different; it actually has a VERY Zeuhlish vibe to me (though the lead guitar makes is sound more significantly different). I like it.
]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:20:21 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4349098#4349098 Journey : prog vs AOR : This is a pretty cool Journey... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347994#4347994 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:45

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSCoydgtUU[/tube]]]> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:45:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347994#4347994 Journey : prog vs AOR : The early prog Journey is not... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347985#4347985 Author: Evolver
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:35

The early prog Journey is not very compelling.  But Steve Perry's Journey never interested me at all.

Edited by Evolver - November 14 2011 at 14:35]]> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:35:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347985#4347985 Journey : prog vs AOR : I think that this is a pretty... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347984#4347984 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:34

I think that this is a pretty cool Journey song from the 80's La Raza Del Sol that only appeared on their box set.  It is on their 2001 Live video.  It has a Santana feel to it.  [tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVMY5ASXAc[/tube]]]> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:34:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347984#4347984 Journey : prog vs AOR : Escape and Frontiers are two of... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347969#4347969 Author: Nightfly
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Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:19

Escape and Frontiers are two of the best AOR albums ever and the early albums okay but fairly average in comparrison. AOR Journey for me.]]> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:19:47 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4347969#4347969 Journey : prog vs AOR : The early albuims arenot that... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4346675#4346675 Author: Easy Livin
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 13 2011 at 10:08

The early albuims are not that great, but they definitely set the band up as a prog band. For me, the Perry era albums are much better, but contain little or no prog as such.]]> Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:08:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4346675#4346675 Journey : prog vs AOR : I must check out some early Journey.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4346662#4346662 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:33

I must check out some early Journey. I know one song only which I used to love. "Lady Luck" I think ot was called. Which is that. Prog?]]> Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:33:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4346662#4346662 Journey : prog vs AOR : I&#039;ve listened to the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4346650#4346650 Author: Intruder
Subject: 82313
Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:16

I've listened to the first three albums.....they were weaning themselves off of the jazzy prog of Santana trying to get themselves into the mainstream, which was weaning itself away from the progressive styles of the late 60s and early 70s.  I place Journey square into that overproduced schlock that was soon to known as corporate rock....Foreigner, Boston, Kansas, Styx.  Don't get me wrong - there are some fair to good songs on the first three albums (and on early Kansas and Styx albums as well) - Look Into the Future, Kohutek - but nothing that I ever have much of an urge to put on.  In fact, some of the stuff I found bearable in the past is really abrasive when I hear it now.]]> Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:16:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4346650#4346650 Journey : prog vs AOR : ^ have you listened to their... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330296#4330296 Author: lucas
Subject: 82313
Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:30

^
have you listened to their first three albums ? ]]> Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:30:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330296#4330296 Journey : prog vs AOR : If I had such power I wouldn&#039;t... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330275#4330275 Author: Man With Hat
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:10

If I had such power I wouldn't have put them on the site on the first place.]]> Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:10:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330275#4330275 Journey : prog vs AOR : No prog - but however I will say... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330103#4330103 Author: DavetheSlave
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 08:19

No prog - but however I will say that it is probably true that more people have fallen in love dancing to a Journey track than just about any other artist out there can boast. Prog no - powerful, most definately yes. Anybody that loaths journey simply doesn't have a heart beating in their chest. 
Steve Perry - well, to me he is simply one of the best vocalists that rock has ever seen - up with Freddy Mercury.

Edited by DavetheSlave - October 30 2011 at 08:21]]> Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:19:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330103#4330103 Journey : prog vs AOR : I consider the first 3 Journey... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330074#4330074 Author: clarkpegasus4001
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 07:54

I consider the first 3 Journey albums to be by Journey, the others (from when Steve Perry joined) just sounds like a completely different band to me.
So... it's PROG for me
]]> Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:54:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330074#4330074 Journey : prog vs AOR : To HORIZONS and MAN WITH A HAT... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330043#4330043 Author: lucas
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 06:49

To HORIZONS and MAN WITH A HAT :
 
 
 
Quoting Journey's biography on PA :
 
Journey biography
JOURNEY is a American band who started playing in the early months of '73 in San Francisco. The music of JOURNEY is divided in 2 parts, the one from early 1973 'till 1977 when guitarist Neal Schon and keyboardist Gregg Rolie, both of Santana fame, met with bassist Ross Valory and drummer Prairie Prince from The Tubes (replaced later by Aynsley Dunbar) in the summer of 1974. Their music back then was jazz rock with progressive elements and fusion interplays , instrumental passages being pretty much top notch thanks to Neal Schon's driving riffs and solid bass lines of Valory, while the keyboards (still mostly the Hammond organ) of Rollie was something "á la Santana" but less latino-inspired.

[...]

This thing will change next year, in 1978, when it is considered that the band stepped into a new period, the second one. After three albums that were considered dissapointing sales-wise, but were in fact Journey's most progressive ones from the entire discography, Journey hired a better vocalist - Steve Perry. Actually the change was mostly enforced by CBS, or else they would drop the band's recording contract. The results were immediately felt on the fourth album, Infinity, released in 1978, who was sold in over one million copies, more than the previous albums altogether. But the sound changes were almost dramatic. From that jazz-fusion progressive music they turned in an AOR - hard rock band, not far from what FOREIGNER, STYX or BOSTON played during the same period.
 
 
Feel free to change their bio if you disagree with the passages highlighted in red.
]]> Sun, 30 Oct 2011 06:49:56 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4330043#4330043 Journey : prog vs AOR : Originally posted by HorizonsThere... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329978#4329978 Author: Man With Hat
Subject: 82313
Posted: October 30 2011 at 03:22

Originally posted by Horizons

There is no prog Journey.


 
Correct.
]]> Sun, 30 Oct 2011 03:22:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329978#4329978 Journey : prog vs AOR : There is no prog Journey. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329827#4329827 Author: Horizons
Subject: 82313
Posted: October 29 2011 at 21:32

There is no prog Journey.


]]> Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:32:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329827#4329827 Journey : prog vs AOR : I enjoy the prog Journey, but... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329696#4329696 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 82313
Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:31

I enjoy the prog Journey, but I like it best when it shows up in bits and pieces during the AOR Journey. ]]> Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:31:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329696#4329696 Journey : prog vs AOR : comments are alsowelcome ! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329444#4329444 Author: lucas
Subject: 82313
Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:32

comments are also welcome !]]> Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:32:10 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4329444#4329444 Journey : prog vs AOR : Well, for me it&#039;s obvious... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4328976#4328976 Author: lucas
Subject: 82313
Posted: October 29 2011 at 05:37

Well, for me it's obvious that the progressive Journey is pretty lame with comparison to the blast that was the Steve-Perry fronted band.

I would be very surprised if the progressive Journey won this poll.]]> Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:37:40 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82313&PID=4328976#4328976