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Subject: 86749
Posted: August 17 2012 at 13:59

thank you all! ]]> Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:59:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598945#4598945 New VdGG Bio : New Bio added. Thanks friso.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598935#4598935 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 17 2012 at 13:28

New Bio added. Thanks friso.

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=343


Edited by Snow Dog - August 17 2012 at 13:30]]> Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:28:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598935#4598935 New VdGG Bio : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598932#4598932 Author: refugee
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 17 2012 at 13:25

Thumbs UpClap
Clap]]> Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:25:59 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598932#4598932 New VdGG Bio : Final version. I don't think... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598918#4598918 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 17 2012 at 13:09

Final version. I don't think I can put it on the bandpage myself. I'm thinking about writing a new bio for Gentle Giant as well. Any thoughs about that?

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VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR is an English eclectic progressive rock band with front man Peter HAMMILL from 'the classic period' that has proven be one of the most important bands of the progressive genre.

In England, 1967 Chris Judge SMITH formed 'VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR', but after his departure it was up to Peter HAMMILL (vocals, keyboards, guitar), Hugh BANTON (organ, bass on organ), David JACKSON (sax, flute) and Guy EVANS (drums) to become one of progressive rock most proliferate and unique bands as well as the first band to be signed to the Famous Charisma Label. The band was named after the scientific instrument 'the Van de Graaff generator', which is used for accumulating high voltage bolts. VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR (VdGG for short) is known for its extrovert dynamics (ranging from slow, calm & peaceful to fierce & heavy), its intense and emotional 'love it or hate it' vocals by Peter HAMMILL, its celebrated contribution to extended progressive songwriting and its combination of psychedelic, jazz, classical and avant-garde or even acid influences. Moreover, VdGG can be seen as the first band that was to combine the very progressive with the very personal, whereas other bands used to work with abstractions and fantasy. Peter HAMMILL has a talent for singing out intense graving, anger, panic and confusion whilst still being able to sing warm and caring in other passages. The band never really fitted in the symphonic progressive rock subgenre because of its widespread influences and unique style, though the band would have symphonic leanings throughout it's career. Unusual for the time was the focus on organ, drums and sax, whereas in the sixties the guitar and the bass guitar had played a major role.

The band had a leading role in the very first progressive phase releasing high-rated albums from 1970 to 1975. The strong conceptual 'H to He Who am the only one' (1970), the intense and highly innovative and daring 'Pawn Hearts' (1971), the bleak and ever evolving 'Godbluff' (1975) and the matured 'Still Life' (1976) are often cited as masterpieces of the progressive genre. Alongside VdGG there would be a very interesting solo-career for Peter HAMMILL who frequently invited members of the band to come and join on his seventies recordings, some of which are seen as 'lost VdGG albums'. VdGG would directly influence a lot of Italian progressive acts, a country in which they were particularly well received. The band stopped performing in its classic line-up after 1976, not to return until 2005.

The first VdGG album (though without David JACKSON) 'The Aerosol Grey Machine' was actually intended to be the first Peter HAMMILL album, but was recorded under the VdGG flag due to contractual constrictions. Only the last song 'Octopus' would feature what fans think of as 'the VdGG sound' whereas most of material could be perceived as late-coming sixties psych with some progressive and even proto-metal (due to the heavy bass riffs by Keith ELLIS) leanings. The album was recorded in two days and didn't sound very professional, but listened to as a sixties psychedelic rock record it stands quite well.

In 1970 the band released 'The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other' which introduced the VdGG sound with intellectual songwriting, lot's of slightly distorted organs and intense dark passages. Moreover, wind-player David JACKSON would join in to complete band with his double sax playing. At this time the band would gather itself a cult-following, though significant commercial success would never be reached in England.

The second 1970 release, the strangely named 'H To He Who Am The Only One' (the first words referring to the chemical reaction in the sun) would show the band having grown towards brilliance with the best of lyrics about troubling solitude by Peter HAMMILL and great epic songwriting in 'The Emperor in his War Room' and the celebrated 'Pioneers over C'. The latter would take visual and philosophical songwriting to a new level. In the studio King Crimson front-man Robert FRIPP would join to add some guitars to the mix. Due to the departure of Nic POTTER the bass would be played by organ-player Hugh BANTON for halve of the album and on tour.

In 1971 the band would return with an even more daring and adventurous recording, the much anticipated and revered 'Pawn Hearts'. Psychedelic darkness was taken to the maximum with not a single passage left untouched by inspired heavy progression. This would make the album both a favourite and one of the less liked classics of the progressive genre. The album would feature the 23 minute epic 'A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers'. After this album Peter HAMMILL would focus on his solo-career releasing 'Chameleon In the Shadow Of The Night' (1973), 'The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage' (1974) and 'In Camara' (1974) with much participation of other VdGG members. These albums are considered to be great progressive records by most fans of VdGG. The VdGG recordings that were made during these years would be released as 'Time Vaults' (1982).

The year 1975 would bring us the return of VdGG with the classic 'Godbluff' that would have four ten-minute long epics showing a complex, but less freely psychedelic VdGG. The instrumental and lyrical development of these four songs is phenomenal and the before-mentioned dynamic range of the band was stretched to the maximum. After that the band was quick to record 'Still Life' (1976) on which the band's sound matured with a more solid production. In 1976 the band would also record 'World Record' which is often seen as a regression with three less progressive tracks on side one and a strong epic 'Meurglys III, The Songwriter's Guild' that was plagued by a long aimless jam-session towards the end. Later this year Hugh BANTON quit VdGG and he was soon to be followed by David JACKSON, because of the problematic financial situation of the band.

In 1977 the band was revived with the return of Nic POTTER on bass and the addition of Graham SMITH on the violin. 'The Quet Zone', otherwise known as 'The Pleasure Dome' showed a different band with a different sound. In 1978 the band's first live album was released, the double lp 'Vital' with David JACKSON appearing as a guest musician and the addition of Charles DICKIE on cello and synth. Due to a different line-up and a different zeitgeist (the rise of punk) the sound would again differ from the classic VdGG sound, which would have a distinctive effect on most songs. After this Peter HAMMILL would once again focus on his solo-career.

The return of the Generator with the classic line-up would be a main event of 2005 for the progressive community with the well received 'Present' (2005) and the celebrated 'Real Time' live-album which would feature great live-recordings of most of the bands progressive classics. The first concert in the Royal Festival Hall in London (where 'Real Time' was recorded) would be visited by fans from 32 countries with black-market tickets rising to a staggering 1000 dollars on Ebay. After the departure of David JACKSON they would record 'Trisector' in 2008 and 'A Grounding In Numbers' in 2011. In 2012 the band is releasing yet another new album as a trio, 'ALT'.

Retrospection. VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR has always remained too small to be a widely recognized act (like for instance Genesis or Yes), yet it was too big to get an illustrious title as ' underground band'. The band acquired some devoted following over the years and is nowadays considered to be one of the biggest acts of progressive rock history, as the amount of reviews and debates on PA can underline. For lot of us their music has proven to be very hard to get into, but it is even harder to live without it once you've acquired a taste for the band. The way the band combines the very personal with the abstract sound of progression creates a fascination that lives on and the way Peter HAMMILL puts his soul in the music seems to be untouchable for other musicians.

Bio by friso ]]> Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:09:21 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598918#4598918 New VdGG Bio : But:… with much anticipation of... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598888#4598888 Author: refugee
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 17 2012 at 12:08

Clap

But:
… with much anticipation of other VdGG members.

You mean participation, don’t you?

Also:
The instrumental en lyrical development of these four songs (…)

I suppose that you mean and, not en.

But apart from that it’s one of the best bios here. Excellent work! Thumbs Up
]]> Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:08:59 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598888#4598888 New VdGG Bio : I third them (although I have... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598105#4598105 Author: someone_else
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 16 2012 at 06:53

I third them (although I have a slightly different opinion about World Record): Clap]]> Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:53:48 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598105#4598105 New VdGG Bio : I second Snowie's thoughts.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598096#4598096 Author: Guldbamsen
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 16 2012 at 06:32

I second Snowie's thoughts. Wonderful bioClap]]> Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:32:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598096#4598096 New VdGG Bio : That is far more than adequate.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598088#4598088 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 16 2012 at 06:22

That is far more than adequate. Puts other bios to shame. You want me to put it up or can you do it?]]> Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:22:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598088#4598088 New VdGG Bio : Latest version with Bucka's... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598082#4598082 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 16 2012 at 06:04

Latest version with Bucka's advices and without Roman numbers.

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VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR is an English eclectic progressive rock band with front man Peter HAMMILL from 'the classic period' that has proven be one of the most important bands of the progressive genre.

In England, 1967 Chris Judge SMITH formed 'VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR', but after his departure it was up to Peter HAMMILL (vocals, keyboards, guitar), Hugh BANTON (organ, bass on organ), David JACKSON (sax, flute) and Guy EVANS (drums) to become one of progressive rock most proliferate and unique bands as well as the first band to be signed to the Famous Charisma Label. The band was named after the scientific instrument 'the Van de Graaff generator', which is used for accumulating high voltage bolts. VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR (VdGG for short) is known for its extrovert dynamics (ranging from slow, calm & peaceful to fierce & heavy), its intense and emotional 'love it or hate it' vocals by Peter HAMMILL, its celebrated contribution to extended progressive songwriting and its combination of psychedelic, jazz, classical and avant-garde or even acid influences. Moreover, VdGG can be seen as the first band that was to combine the very progressive with the very personal, whereas other bands used to work with abstractions and fantasy. Peter HAMMILL has a talent for singing out intense graving, anger, panic and confusion whilst still being able to sing warm and caring in other passages. The band never really fitted in the symphonic progressive rock subgenre because of its widespread influences and unique style, though the band would have symphonic leanings throughout it's career. Unusual for the time was the focus on organ, drums and sax, whereas in the sixties the guitar and the bass guitar had played a major role.

The band had a leading role in the very first progressive phase releasing high-rated albums from 1970 to 1975. The strong conceptual 'H to He Who am the only one' (1970), the intense and highly innovative and daring 'Pawn Hearts' (1971), the bleak and ever evolving 'Godbluff' (1975) and the matured 'Still Life' (1976) are often cited as masterpieces of the progressive genre. Alongside VdGG there would be a very interesting solo-career for Peter HAMMILL who frequently invited members of the band to come and join on his seventies recordings, some of which are seen as 'lost VdGG albums'. VdGG would directly influence a lot of Italian progressive acts, a country in which they were particularly well received. The band stopped performing in its classic line-up after 1976, not to return until 2005.

The first VdGG album (though without David JACKSON) 'The Aerosol Grey Machine' was actually intended to be the first Peter HAMMILL album, but was recorded under the VdGG flag due to contractual constrictions. Only the last song 'Octopus' would feature what fans think of as 'the VdGG sound' whereas most of material could be perceived as late-coming sixties psych with some progressive and even proto-metal (due to the heavy bass riffs by Keith ELLIS) leanings. The album was recorded in two days and didn't sound very professional, but listened to as a sixties psychedelic rock record it stands quite well.

In 1970 the band released 'The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other' which introduced the VdGG sound with intellectual songwriting, lot's of slightly distorted organs and intense dark passages. Moreover, wind-player David JACKSON would join in to complete band with his double sax playing. At this time the band would gather itself a cult-following, though significant commercial success would never be reached in England.

The second 1970 release, the strangely named 'H To He Who Am The Only One' (the first words referring to the chemical reaction in the sun) would show the band having grown towards brilliance with the best of lyrics about troubling solitude by Peter HAMMILL and great epic songwriting in 'The Emperor in his War Room' and the celebrated 'Pioneers over C'. The latter would take visual and philosophical songwriting to a new level. In the studio King Crimson front-man Robert FRIPP would join to add some guitars to the mix. Due to the departure of Nic POTTER the bass would be played by organ-player Hugh BANTON for halve of the album and on tour.

In 1971 the band would return with an even more daring and adventurous recording, the much anticipated and revered 'Pawn Hearts'. Psychedelic darkness was taken to the maximum with not a single passage left untouched by inspired heavy progression. This would make the album both a favourite and one of the less liked classics of the progressive genre. The album would feature the 23 minute epic 'A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers'. After this album Peter HAMMILL would focus on his solo-career releasing 'Chameleon In the Shadow Of The Night' (1973), 'The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage' (1974) and 'In Camara' (1974) with much anticipation of other VdGG members. These albums are considered to be great progressive records by most fans of VdGG. The VdGG recordings that were made during these years would be released as 'Time Vaults' (1982).

The year 1975 would bring us the return of VdGG with the classic 'Godbluff' that would have four ten-minute long epics showing a complex, but less freely psychedelic VdGG. The instrumental en lyrical development of these four songs is phenomenal and the before-mentioned dynamic range of the band was stretched to the maximum. After that the band was quick to record 'Still Life' (1976) on which the band's sound matured with a more solid production. In 1976 the band would also record 'World Record' which is often seen as a regression with three less progressive tracks on side one and a strong epic 'Meurglys III, The Songwriter's Guild' that was plagued by a long aimless jam-session towards the end. Later this year Hugh BANTON quit VdGG and he was soon to be followed by David JACKSON, because of the problematic financial situation of the band.

In 1977 the band was revived with the return of Nic POTTER on bass and the addition of Graham SMITH on the violin. 'The Quet Zone', otherwise known as 'The Pleasure Dome' showed a different band with a different sound. In 1978 the band's first live album was released, the double lp 'Vital' with David JACKSON appearing as a guest musician and the addition of Charles DICKIE on cello and synth. Due to a different line-up and a different zeitgeist (the rise of punk) the sound would again differ from the classic VdGG sound, which would have a distinctive effect on most songs. After this Peter HAMMILL would once again focus on his solo-career.

The return of the Generator with the classic line-up would be a main event of 2005 for the progressive community with the well received 'Present' (2005) and the celebrated 'Real Time' live-album which would feature great live-recordings of most of the bands progressive classics. The first concert in the Royal Festival Hall in London (where 'Real Time' was recorded) would be visited by fans from 32 countries with black-market tickets rising to a staggering 1000 dollars on Ebay. After the departure of David JACKSON they would record 'Trisector' in 2008 and 'A Grounding In Numbers' in 2011. In 2012 the band is releasing yet another new album as a trio, 'ALT'.

Retrospection. VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR has always remained too small to be a widely recognized act (like for instance Genesis or Yes), yet it was too big to get an illustrious title as ' underground band'. The band acquired some devoted following over the years and is nowadays considered to be one of the biggest acts of progressive rock history, as the amount of reviews and debates on PA can underline. For lot of us their music has proven to be very hard to get into, but it is even harder to live without it once you've acquired a taste for the band. The way the band combines the very personal with the abstract sound of progression creates a fascination that lives on and the way Peter HAMMILL puts his soul in the music seems to be untouchable for other musicians.

Bio by friso
]]> Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:04:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598082#4598082 New VdGG Bio : Yes, going to work on it very... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598068#4598068 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 16 2012 at 05:13

Yes, going to work on it very soon.. almost forgotten about it.]]> Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:13:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598068#4598068 New VdGG Bio : Just wanted to chip in here. Great... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598066#4598066 Author: Guldbamsen
Subject: 86749
Posted: August 16 2012 at 05:01

Just wanted to chip in here. Great work friso!
I reviewed ALT yesterday and was surprised to see the old bio still hanging around - especially since you had done one so much better. I realise now that people want some minor changes implemented, which is why it hasn't been used.
Still ]]> Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:01:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4598066#4598066 New VdGG Bio : Very good and Bucka fixed all... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531778#4531778 Author: Saperlipopette!
Subject: 86749
Posted: June 07 2012 at 05:29

Very good and Bucka fixed all that needed to be fixed. And the Quiet Zone is fantastic and VDG was hell of  a  band. 

Originally posted by friso

The first VdGG album (though without David JACKSON) 'The Aerosol Grey Machine' was actually intended to be the first Peter HAMMILL album, but was recorded under the VdGG flag due to contractual constrictions. Only the last song 'Octopus' would feature what fans think of as 'the VdGG sound' whereas most of material could be perceived as late-coming sixties psych with some progressive and even proto-metal (due to the heavy bass riffs by Nic POTTER) leanings. The album was recorded in two days and didn't sound very professional, but listened to as a sixties psychedelic rock record it stands quite well. 

Just some extreme nitpicking: I think my favorite track on the album Into a Game tends to get overlooked as quite sophisticated progressive track for 1969. It certainly wouldn't sound out of place on The Least... and probably not on H to He... either imo. 
]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2012 05:29:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531778#4531778 New VdGG Bio : And perhaps remove the numbering... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531756#4531756 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: June 07 2012 at 04:32

And perhaps remove the numbering of sections?]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:32:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531756#4531756 New VdGG Bio : Thank you for all comments, I... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531747#4531747 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: June 07 2012 at 03:43

Thank you for all comments, I will update the bio very soon. I've been concentrating on my graduation lately. ]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:43:47 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531747#4531747 New VdGG Bio : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531715#4531715 Author: Man With Hat
Subject: 86749
Posted: June 07 2012 at 02:10

Thumbs UpThumbs Up]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:10:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531715#4531715 New VdGG Bio : Ivan is on record as disliking... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531712#4531712 Author: bucka001
Subject: 86749
Posted: June 07 2012 at 02:05

Ivan is on record as disliking VdGG so I, personally, don't see why you'd have to consult him (I doubt he wrote the original bio, unless it's negative... haven't seen it myself)
An enjoyable read. You may want to consider these changes/suggestons:
 
"The band stopped performing in its classic line-up after 1977, not to return until 2005."

The 'classic' lineup (Hammill/Evans/Jackson/Banton) played their last gig in December of '76 (not counting the 2005 reunion). The Potter/Smith/Dickie lineup played its last concert in the summer of '78.

"Only the last song 'Octopus' would feature what fans think of as 'the VdGG sound' whereas most of material could be perceived as late-coming sixties psych with some progressive and even proto-metal (due to the heavy bass riffs by Nic POTTER) leanings."

Nic Potter didn't play on Aerosol. The bass player on that album was Keith Ellis. The lineup on Aerosol was Hammill/Banton/Evans/Ellis. On The Least it was Hammill/Banton/Evans/Potter/Jaxon.

"In 1970 the band recorded 'The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other'"

The album was recorded toward the end of '69, released in February '70.

"Due to the departure of Nix POTTER the bass would be played by organ-player Hugh BANTON. At this time the band would gather itself a cult-following, though significant commercial success would never be reached in England."

Nic (you have it misspelt as Nix) Potter was a full member for all of The Least. He is only on half of H to He (that's where Banton took over). The Least broke Britain's top 50 on the charts, but you're correct that significant commercial success eluded them in Britain.

"The VdGG recordings that were made during these years would be released as the poorly received 'Time Vaults' (1982). "
 
Poorly recorded, perhaps, but not poorly received. The fans were happy for such a release at the time (and I don't think I've ever seen a proper review of this release in any of the music papers, so it can't be considered 'poorly received.')
 
"Later this year Hugh BANTON quit VdGG and he was soon to be followed by David JACKSON because of internal conflict in the band."

Banton and Jackson didn't leave because of internal conflict within the band. The bottom line is that they left because of the bleak financial situation in the band (a North American tour which was a success on many levels (big crowds, great concerts, good media attn, etc), was a financial disaster because of some mismanagement. The year before, the band had all of their gear stolen on an extremely high-level stadium tour of Italy which was supposed to be a huge money-maker, but had to be cancelled after three harrowing dates. They lost tons of $$ and never psychologically recovered fully. $$$$$ was the big factor in Banton and Jackson leaving (they'd both been married in the time that VdGG was broken up, before the Godbluff reunion, and had family matters to consider. Terrible financial breaks caused great stress on both of them)

"'The Quet Zone', otherwise known as 'The Pleasure Dome' showed a different band with a different sound that made people question why it wasn't released as a Peter HAMMILL album."
 
Simply not true. I've read this only in recent years on prog forums, but the truth is that The Quiet Zone, The Pleasure Dome did something that no other VdGG album had done since The Least -- it garnered universally great reviews in all the British and European music papers. And Charisma (the label) loved it; they'd grown to be frustrated by VdGG (except Strat), but they were excited about this album. No one at the time (or for years after) said anything about it sounding more like a PH solo album (which it still doesn't, to me anyway... it sounds like VdG).
 
"In 1978 the band's first live album was released, the double lp 'Vital' with David JACKSON appearing as a guest musician."
 
"... and also featuring new member Charles Dickie on cello and synth."
 
 
 
 

 


 
 
]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:05:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4531712#4531712 New VdGG Bio : Originally posted by Sean... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509657#4509657 Author: refugee
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 15 2012 at 08:18

Originally posted by Sean Trane

anyway, it's a big improvement, so I'm in favor.


+1


Edited by refugee - May 15 2012 at 08:19]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 08:18:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509657#4509657 New VdGG Bio : Originally posted by clarke2001Hi... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509625#4509625 Author: Sean Trane
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 15 2012 at 05:55

Originally posted by clarke2001

Hi Friso,

personally I would welcome any improvement in any biography. However, since the original bio was also somebody's work, I suggest you send a PM to a collab who added VDGG in the database - Ivan Melgar M. in this case.


 
I didn't see that anything  on that page attributing the bio to Ivŕn (he added the band, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wrote the bio), but maybe you know more than I do..
 
Apparently this original bio dates from the very early days of the site, since it doesn't even mention anything of the 2005 reunion.
 
anyway, it's a big improvement, so I'm in favor. (and yes, asking Ivŕn for his opinion can be done)Wink
]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 05:55:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509625#4509625 New VdGG Bio : You keeping the numbered sections... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509624#4509624 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 15 2012 at 05:40

You keeping the numbered sections then? ]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 05:40:13 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509624#4509624 New VdGG Bio : Very well done, Friso!Still there... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509616#4509616 Author: refugee
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 15 2012 at 04:39

Very well done, Friso!

Clap

Still there are some things that need correction:
- The capitalized F in "Famous Charisma Label" makes it look like they actually had the word "Famous" in their name.
- "… high-rated albums from 1970 to 1975" – since you include Still Life, shouldn’t it be 1976?
- Nic Potter left during the recording of H to He …
- "… anticipation of other VdGG members" – I guess you mean "participation".
- "The instrumental en lyrical development" – "en" should be "and", shouldn’t it?
- As far as I know, they were still friends when Banton and Jackson left. I think "internal problems" is better than "internal conflict".
- Is it worth mentioning that ALT will be purely instrumental? I think it is.

But all in all: Very good indeed! Thumbs Up
]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 04:39:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509616#4509616 New VdGG Bio : No further comments? Then I'll... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509590#4509590 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 15 2012 at 02:55

No further comments? Then I'll just propose to release this version, with bandname in capitals.


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VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR is an English eclectic progressive rock band with front man Peter HAMMILL from 'the classic period' that has proven be one of the most important bands of the progressive genre.

In England, 1967 Chris Judge SMITH formed 'VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR', but after his departure it was up to Peter HAMMILL (vocals, keyboards, guitar), Hugh BANTON (organ, bass on organ), David JACKSON (sax, flute) and Guy EVANS (drums) to become one of progressive rock most proliferate and unique bands as well as the first band to be signed to the Famous Charisma Label. The band was named after the scientific instrument 'the Van de Graaff generator', which is used for accumulating high voltage bolts. VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR (VdGG for short) is known for its extrovert dynamics (ranging from slow, calm & peaceful to fierce & heavy), its intense and emotional 'love it or hate it' vocals by Peter HAMMILL, its celebrated contribution to extended progressive songwriting and its combination of psychedelic, jazz, classical and avant-garde or even acid influences. Moreover, VdGG can be seen as the first band that was to combine the very progressive with the very personal, whereas other bands used to work with abstractions and fantasy. Peter HAMMILL has a talent for singing out intense graving, anger, panic and confusion whilst still being able to sing warm and caring in other passages. The band never really fitted in the symphonic progressive rock subgenre because of its widespread influences and unique style, though the band would have symphonic leanings throughout it's career. Unusual for the time was the focus on organ, drums and sax, whereas in the sixties the guitar and the bass guitar had played a major role.

The band had a leading role in the very first progressive phase releasing high-rated albums from 1970 to 1975. The strong conceptual 'H to He Who am the only one' (1970), the intense and highly innovative and daring 'Pawn Hearts' (1971), the bleak and ever evolving 'Godbluff' (1975) and the matured 'Still Life' (1976) are often cited as masterpieces of the progressive genre. Alongside VdGG there would be a very interesting solo-career for Peter HAMMILL who frequently invited members of the band to come and join on his seventies recordings, some of which are seen as 'lost VdGG albums'. VdGG would directly influence a lot of Italian progressive acts, a country in which they were particularly well received. The band stopped performing in its classic line-up after 1977, not to return until 2005.

I
The first VdGG album (though without David JACKSON) 'The Aerosol Grey Machine' was actually intended to be the first Peter HAMMILL album, but was recorded under the VdGG flag due to contractual constrictions. Only the last song 'Octopus' would feature what fans think of as 'the VdGG sound' whereas most of material could be perceived as late-coming sixties psych with some progressive and even proto-metal (due to the heavy bass riffs by Nic POTTER) leanings. The album was recorded in two days and didn't sound very professional, but listened to as a sixties psychedelic rock record it stands quite well.

II
In 1970 the band recorded 'The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other' which introduced the VdGG sound with intellectual songwriting, lot's of slightly distorted organs and intense dark passages. Moreover, wind-player David JACKSON would join in to complete band with his double sax playing. Due to the departure of Nix POTTER the bass would be played by organ-player Hugh BANTON. At this time the band would gather itself a cult-following, though significant commercial success would never be reached in England.

The second 1970 release, the strangely named 'H To He Who Am The Only One' (the first words referring to the chemical reaction in the sun) would show the band having grown towards brilliance with the best of lyrics about troubling solitude by Peter HAMMILL and great epic songwriting in 'The Emperor in his War Room' and the celebrated 'Pioneers over C'. The latter would take visual and philosophical songwriting to a new level. In the studio King Crimson front-man Robert FRIPP would join to add some guitars to the mix.

In 1971 the band would return with an even more daring and adventurous recording, the much anticipated and revered 'Pawn Hearts'. Psychedelic darkness was taken to the maximum with not a single passage left untouched by inspired heavy progression. This would make the album both a favourite and one of the less liked classics of the progressive genre. The album would feature the 23 minute epic 'A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers'. After this album Peter HAMMILL would focus on his solo-career releasing 'Chameleon In the Shadow Of The Night' (1973), 'The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage' (1974) and 'In Camara' (1974) with much anticipation of other VdGG members. These albums are considered to be great progressive records by most fans of VdGG. The VdGG recordings that were made during these years would be released as the poorly received 'Time Vaults' (1982).

III
The year 1975 would bring us the return of VdGG with the classic 'Godbluff' that would have four ten-minute long epics showing a complex, but less freely psychedelic VdGG. The instrumental en lyrical development of these four songs is phenomenal and the before-mentioned dynamic range of the band was stretched to the maximum. After that the band was quick to record 'Still Life' (1976) on which the band's sound matured with a more solid production. In 1976 the band would also record 'World Record' which is often seen as a regression with three less progressive tracks on side one and a strong epic 'Meurglys III, The Songwriter's Guild' that was plagued by a long aimless jam-session towards the end. Later this year Hugh BANTON quit VdGG and he was soon to be followed by David JACKSON because of internal conflict in the band.

IV
In 1977 the band was revived with the return of Nic POTTER on bass and the addition of Graham SMITH on the violin. 'The Quet Zone', otherwise known as 'The Pleasure Dome' showed a different band with a different sound that made people question why it wasn't released as a Peter HAMMILL album. In 1978 the band's first live album was released, the double lp 'Vital' with David JACKSON appearing as a guest musician. Due to a different line-up and a different zeitgeist (the rise of punk) the sound would again differ from the classic VdGG sound, which would have a distinctive effect on most songs. After this Peter HAMMILL would once again focus on his solo-career.

V
The return of the Generator with the classic line-up would be a main event of 2005 for the progressive community with the well received 'Present' (2005) and the celebrated 'Real Time' live-album which would feature great live-recordings of most of the bands progressive classics. The first concert in the Royal Festival Hall in London (where 'Real Time' was recorded) would be visited by fans from 32 countries with black-market tickets rising to a staggering 1000 dollars on Ebay. After the departure of David JACKSON they would record 'Trisector' in 2008 and 'A Grounding In Numbers' in 2011. In 2012 the band is releasing yet another new album as a trio, 'ALT'.

X
Retrospection. VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR has always remained too small to be a widely recognized act (like for instance Genesis or Yes), yet it was too big to get an illustrious title as ' underground band'. The band acquired some devoted following over the years and is nowadays considered to be one of the biggest acts of progressive rock history, as the amount of reviews and debates on PA can underline. For lot of us their music has proven to be very hard to get into, but it is even harder to live without it once you've acquired a taste for the band. The way the band combines the very personal with the abstract sound of progression creates a fascination that lives on and the way Peter HAMMILL puts his soul in the music seems to be untouchable for other musicians.

Bio by friso
]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 02:55:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4509590#4509590 New VdGG Bio : Fantastic! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4505132#4505132 Author: Fox On The Rocks
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 22:01

Fantastic! Clap]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 22:01:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4505132#4505132 New VdGG Bio : Hi Friso, personally I would welcome... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4505081#4505081 Author: clarke2001
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 20:59

Hi Friso,

personally I would welcome any improvement in any biography. However, since the original bio was also somebody's work, I suggest you send a PM to a collab who added VDGG in the database - Ivan Melgar M. in this case.


]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 20:59:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4505081#4505081 New VdGG Bio : Besides that....good work!!! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504674#4504674 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 11:16

Besides that....good work!!!Thumbs UpLOL]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 11:16:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504674#4504674 New VdGG Bio : ^ you maybe right. I'm not... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504673#4504673 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 11:15

^ you maybe right. I'm not a fan of the roman numerals for each paragraph or section either....personally.]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 11:15:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504673#4504673 New VdGG Bio : yeah, we'll wait and see.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504667#4504667 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 11:09

yeah, we'll wait and see. I'm willing to complement the bio with some historical information if that's the case. I thought it was important to give new listeners of the band a guide to how to get into the band and what makes them special.

Edited by friso - May 08 2012 at 11:11]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 11:09:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504667#4504667 New VdGG Bio : I don't want to criticise... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504659#4504659 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 11:01

I don't want to criticise but most of this is an explanation of the discography. Don't know what everyone feels about that?]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 11:01:34 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504659#4504659 New VdGG Bio : Somehow you forgot to put the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504654#4504654 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 10:59

Somehow you forgot to put the band  name in capitals. Which is odd becuase everything else is perfect as far as I cxan see.Thumbs Up]]> Tue, 08 May 2012 10:59:59 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504654#4504654 New VdGG Bio : Hello there, I wrote a new bio... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86749&PID=4504648#4504648 Author: friso
Subject: 86749
Posted: May 08 2012 at 10:51

Hello there, I wrote a new bio for Van der Graaf Generator because the current bio is a bit short. I hope to get some feedback here.


Van der Graaf Generator Bio

Van Der Graaf Generator is an English eclectic progressive rock band with front man Peter HAMMILL from 'the classic period' that has proven be one of the most important bands of the progressive genre.

In England, 1967 Chris Judge SMITH formed 'Van der Graaf Generator', but after his departure it was up to Peter HAMMILL (vocals, keyboards, guitar), Hugh BANTON (organ, bass on organ), David JACKSON (sax, flute) and Guy EVANS (drums) to become one of progressive rock most proliferate and unique bands as well as the first band to be signed to the Famous Charisma Label. The band was named after the scientific instrument 'the Van de Graaff generator', which is used for accumulating high voltage bolts. Van der Graaf Generator (VdGG for short) is known for its extrovert dynamics (ranging from slow, calm & peaceful to fierce & heavy), its intense and emotional 'love it or hate it' vocals by Peter HAMMILL, its celebrated contribution to extended progressive songwriting and its combination of psychedelic, jazz, classical and avant-garde or even acid influences. Moreover, VdGG can be seen as the first band that was to combine the very progressive with the very personal, whereas other bands used to work with abstractions and fantasy. Peter HAMMILL has a talent for singing out intense graving, anger, panic and confusion whilst still being able to sing warm and caring in other passages. The band never really fitted in the symphonic progressive rock subgenre because of its widespread influences and unique style, though the band would have symphonic leanings throughout it's career. Unusual for the time was the focus on organ, drums and sax, whereas in the sixties the guitar and the bass guitar had played a major role.

The band had a leading role in the very first progressive phase releasing high-rated albums from 1970 to 1975. The strong conceptual 'H to He Who am the only one' (1970), the intense and highly innovative and daring 'Pawn Hearts' (1971), the bleak and ever evolving 'Godbluff' (1975) and the matured 'Still Life' (1976) are often cited as masterpieces of the progressive genre. Alongside VdGG there would be a very interesting solo-career for Peter HAMMILL who frequently invited members of the band to come and join on his seventies recordings, some of which are seen as 'lost VdGG albums'. VdGG would directly influence a lot of Italian progressive acts, a country in which they were particularly well received. The band stopped performing in its classic line-up after 1977, not to return until 2005.

I
The first VdGG album (though without David JACKSON) 'The Aerosol Grey Machine' was actually intended to be the first Peter HAMMILL album, but was recorded under the VdGG flag due to contractual constrictions. Only the last song 'Octopus' would feature what fans think of as 'the VdGG sound' whereas most of material could be perceived as late-coming sixties psych with some progressive and even proto-metal (due to the heavy bass riffs by Nic POTTER) leanings. The album was recorded in two days and didn't sound very professional, but listened to as a sixties psychedelic rock record it stands quite well.

II
In 1970 the band recorded 'The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other' which introduced the VdGG sound with intellectual songwriting, lot's of slightly distorted organs and intense dark passages. Moreover, wind-player David JACKSON would join in to complete band with his double sax playing. Due to the departure of Nix POTTER the bass would be played by organ-player Hugh BANTON. At this time the band would gather itself a cult-following, though significant commercial success would never be reached in England.

The second 1970 release, the strangely named 'H To He Who Am The Only One' (the first words referring to the chemical reaction in the sun) would show the band having grown towards brilliance with the best of lyrics about troubling solitude by Peter HAMMILL and great epic songwriting in 'The Emperor in his War Room' and the celebrated 'Pioneers over C'. The latter would take visual and philosophical songwriting to a new level. In the studio King Crimson front-man Robert FRIPP would join to add some guitars to the mix.

In 1971 the band would return with an even more daring and adventurous recording, the much anticipated and revered 'Pawn Hearts'. Psychedelic darkness was taken to the maximum with not a single passage left untouched by inspired heavy progression. This would make the album both a favourite and one of the less liked classics of the progressive genre. The album would feature the 23 minute epic 'A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers'. After this album Peter HAMMILL would focus on his solo-career releasing 'Chameleon In the Shadow Of The Night' (1973), 'The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage' (1974) and 'In Camara' (1974) with much anticipation of other VdGG members. These albums are considered to be great progressive records by most fans of VdGG. The VdGG recordings that were made during these years would be released as the poorly received 'Time Vaults' (1982).

III
The year 1975 would bring us the return of VdGG with the classic 'Godbluff' that would have four ten-minute long epics showing a complex, but less freely psychedelic VdGG. The instrumental en lyrical development of these four songs is phenomenal and the before-mentioned dynamic range of the band was stretched to the maximum. After that the band was quick to record 'Still Life' (1976) on which the band's sound matured with a more solid production. In 1976 the band would also record 'World Record' which is often seen as a regression with three less progressive tracks on side one and a strong epic 'Meurglys III, The Songwriter's Guild' that was plagued by a long aimless jam-session towards the end. Later this year Hugh BANTON quit VdGG and he was soon to be followed by David JACKSON because of internal conflict in the band.

IV
In 1977 the band was revived with the return of Nic POTTER on bass and the addition of Graham SMITH on the violin. 'The Quet Zone', otherwise known as 'The Pleasure Dome' showed a different band with a different sound that made people question why it wasn't released as a Peter HAMMILL album. In 1978 the band's first live album was released, the double lp 'Vital' with David JACKSON appearing as a guest musician. Due to a different line-up and a different zeitgeist (the rise of punk) the sound would again differ from the classic VdGG sound, which would have a distinctive effect on most songs. After this Peter HAMMILL would once again focus on his solo-career.

V
The return of the Generator with the classic line-up would be a main event of 2005 for the progressive community with the well received 'Present' (2005) and the celebrated 'Real Time' live-album which would feature great live-recordings of most of the bands progressive classics. The first concert in the Royal Festival Hall in London (where 'Real Time' was recorded) would be visited by fans from 32 countries with black-market tickets rising to a staggering 1000 dollars on Ebay. After the departure of David JACKSON they would record 'Trisector' in 2008 and 'A Grounding In Numbers' in 2011. In 2012 the band is releasing yet another new album as a trio, 'ALT'.

X
Retrospection. Van der Graaf Generator has always remained too small to be a widely recognized act (like for instance Genesis or Yes), yet it was too big to get an illustrious title as ' underground band'. The band acquired some devoted following over the years and is nowadays considered to be one of the biggest acts of progressive rock history, as the amount of reviews and debates on PA can underline. For lot of us their music has proven to be very hard to get into, but it is even harder to live without it once you've acquired a taste for the band. The way the band combines the very personal with the abstract sound of progression creates a fascination that lives on and the way Peter HAMMILL puts his soul in the music seems to be untouchable for other musicians.

Bio by friso


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