Progressive Rock Music Forum : Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time"

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

^ You obviously haven't heard ABBA

I'm afraid i have. Tongue

So the rumors that Rush fans are prone to ABBA worship are indeed false?

It appears so sadly.

I don't think i'll ever join the Dancing Side.

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Posted: August 05 2012 at 17:19

Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

^ You obviously haven't heard ABBA

I'm afraid i have. Tongue

So the rumors that Rush fans are prone to ABBA worship are indeed false?]]> Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:19:34 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590747#4590747 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by Guldbamsen^... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590743#4590743 Author: Horizons
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Posted: August 05 2012 at 17:16

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

^ You obviously haven't heard ABBA

I'm afraid i have. Tongue

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Posted: August 05 2012 at 17:12

^ You obviously haven't heard ABBA

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Posted: August 05 2012 at 17:08

Because they are the best, most consistent band ever.

Not biased at all. Embarrassed

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Posted: August 05 2012 at 17:05

Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague

Does anybody have the "Best prog bands" poll they mention in the article?

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-best-prog-rock-bands-of-all-time-20110720

The inevitable question is: Why are there so many Rush fans?
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Posted: August 05 2012 at 15:14

Does anybody have the "Best prog bands" poll they mention in the article?]]> Sun, 05 Aug 2012 15:14:04 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590680#4590680 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by IMPF Those... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590646#4590646 Author: Ytse_Jam
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Posted: August 05 2012 at 14:38

Originally posted by IMPF

Those are all harmless, predictable and inoffensive choices all of them. I don't see why anyone would be too disappointed with this list. I mean it's Rolling Stone magazine for f**k's sake, what were you expecting them to put? Some obscure Brazilian neo-prog group that has like only 3 ratings overall on this site?

Agreed, but no TAAB in a prog chart is a shame!

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Posted: August 05 2012 at 08:44

I dont agree with the list at all. Lot of great albums missed out.

My list would have been

10)Transatlantic- The Whirlwind

9)Pink Floyd- Dark Side of The Moon

8)ELP- Brain Salad Surgery

7)Mahavishnu Orchestra- Birds of Fire

6)King Crimson- In The Court of The Crimson King

5)Rush- Hemispheres

4)Metropolis 2: Scenes from a Memory-Dream Theater

3)Genesis-Foxtrot

2)Jethro Tull-Thick As A Brick

1)Yes- Close to the edge

]]> Sun, 05 Aug 2012 08:44:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590426#4590426 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by dtguitarfan Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590258#4590258 Author: rogerthat
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 23:16

Originally posted by dtguitarfan

Originally posted by The T

I like DT a lot (I used to be a fanboy even) but intellectual? Really? Muscular, sometimes I would rather say.

What you mean is that DT are more sophisticated than Dragonforce and Malmsteen but muscle is still the standout quality in their quality. Very fast and breathless passages over odd time is muscular, right? I don't think muscular necessarily means "all brawn and no brain" and it is certainly very rarely the case in actually physical sports or martial arts.

I call that music intellectual which is organised mainly to explore new musical concepts. That way, I could not call much rock related music intellectual - and there's no reason why music HAS to be intellectual, so I don't see that as a negative quality - and DT is no exception. DT is at the technical, complex end of the spectrum in rock music, just like many other prog rock bands and artists. DT compositions are written around and in order to express specific lyrical themes and hand-in-hand build in passages to showcase the technical prowess of their musicians. You may or may not agree with such a categorization of intellectual music but it's also the way Greig has framed it and Theo seems to have as well, so we are all just stating the general perception of the word intellectual w.r.t music.

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Posted: August 04 2012 at 22:47

Those are all harmless, predictable and inoffensive choices all of them. I don't see why anyone would be too disappointed with this list. I mean it's Rolling Stone magazine for f**k's sake, what were you expecting them to put? Some obscure Brazilian neo-prog group that has like only 3 ratings overall on this site?

Besides, three Rush albums in the top 10 are perfectly fine with me in my opinion. Perfectly fine indeed. Big smile

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Posted: August 04 2012 at 22:42

^I still wouldn't qualify them as intellectual. Those you mention are of course pure muscle. Maybe DT lies somewhere in between. But what makes DT music what you call complex is technical skills, and those technical skills are in large part associated with dexterity and ability with your hands/fingers/feet/etc, obviously controlled by your brain. So I would still say that, more than intellectual, way more, they are muscular, though not shallow. ]]> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:42:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4590247#4590247 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by The TI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589762#4589762 Author: dtguitarfan
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 08:00

Originally posted by The T

I like DT a lot (I used to be a fanboy even) but intellectual? Really? Muscular, sometimes I would rather say.

I think they do more than just flex muscles. Dragonforce and Yngwie Malmsteen are artists that I would give as examples of muscle flexers. Dream Theater does flex their muscles, indeed, but they do it in an intellectual way - they throw in complicated time signatures, sometimes different members of the band are playing in different time signatures than the other members, they use unusual chord progressions, difficult techniques, and they even invent new instruments.
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 04:25

^^^ Aw, come on, we've gone round and round about this by now! LOL

I agree that a top 10 simply cannot accommodate everyone's likes even if it is just restricted to one album per band. I am just saying the logic they offered to not include all DT albums that got voted into the top 10 sequentially sounds contradictory when they included multiple albums of other bands. But maybe we should just trust RS to mess up one way or the other. The readers did their job by voting in a good, if popular, selection of prog but RS decided to leave the mark of zorro over it. LOL

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Posted: August 04 2012 at 02:58

OK, how about this: if we had to come up with a list of our own (or if you had to come up with a list of your own) using the one-per-band concept, then what bands would be on it and with what albums?

I got Yes, KC, PF, Rush, Genesis (the leading ones), ELP, JT, Camel, Caravan, Soft Machine, Magma, Dream Theater, ... s%^t, that's more than ten. Help me out here, guys. And keep in mind that it may be pretty difficult to pick between "The Lamb", "Foxtrot", and "Selling".

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the list will blow in any case as long as it is top ten, not 15 or whatever.

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Posted: August 04 2012 at 01:37

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

No, I mean how did the RS come up with the list on their own?

"Faced with the difficult decision of scrubbing out all their votes or having six of the 10 spots taken up by Dream T, we opted to lump them all in at number one (though one particular album the group released in 1999 did get the vast majority of their votes)."

And then what?

I guess the other albums that got the highest votes were picked. Except, of course, that they forgot to exclude multiple selections of KC, Rush and Genesis by the same yardstick.
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 01:30

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

3. How did Selling England By The Pound and 2112 become nominees in the first place? Last time I read the New Rolling Stone Album Guide, those works weren't viewed too favorably.

Weren't viewed too favorably by RS, not the readers they took part in the poll.

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ Are we discussing Petrucci or DT, or are we talking about the RS list?

One more thing to say about the list on my part: I still can't put my finger on the very details of how the list came about.

Rolling Stone decided to poll their readers, then decided that their readers' votes shouldn't count and made the rest of the list up themselves.

No, I mean how did the RS come up with the list on their own?

And then what?

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Posted: August 04 2012 at 01:22

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ Are we discussing Petrucci or DT, or are we talking about the RS list?

One more thing to say about the list on my part: I still can't put my finger on the very details of how the list came about.

Rolling Stone decided to poll their readers, then decided that their readers' votes shouldn't count and made the rest of the list up themselves.
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 01:16

^ Are we discussing Petrucci or DT, or are we talking about the RS list?

One more thing to say about the list on my part: I still can't put my finger on the very details of how the list came about.

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 23:31

DT definitely like to flex their muscles, and John Petrucci has a lot of them these days Wink

One only needs to listen to Octavarium, Metropolis, and A Change of Seasons to understand how unworthy YOU are. Bowdown

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 23:23

Originally posted by The T

I like DT a lot (I used to be a fanboy even) but intellectual? Really? Muscular, sometimes I would rather say.

Muscular, dazzling, breathless and spectacular with reference to those DT moments that I like.

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 23:11

I like DT a lot (I used to be a fanboy even) but intellectual? Really? Muscular, sometimes I would rather say. ]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:11:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589585#4589585 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Who gives a sh*t about The Rolling... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589568#4589568 Author: Mirror Image
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 22:52

Who gives a sh*t about The Rolling Stone anyway? I sure as hell don't. There isn't such a thing as a definitive progressive rock list because NOBODY will every agree on the same bands and recordings. Total waste of time and money. This is just another example of a magazine that's ran completely out of ideas.

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 21:36

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by dtguitarfan

Tell you what - why don't you tell me what YOU find intellectual and I will piss on it in turn and tell you it's not intellectual in any way. Let's have a pissing contest, why don't we?

Geez, didn't I explicitly say that good music doesn't have to be intellectual? Most of the music I like isn't intellectual in any way.

Er, don't bother. The guy just needs a pretext to launch into his favourite crib. He initiated it, as usual, by talking more about how much PA hates DT and less about what DT sounds like or what would be a good place to start with the band...and subsequently, plays victim. Very convenient.

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 21:30

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

Not a knock against Dream Theater, since I've never heard any of their works, thus I can't make any judgment. How are they?

Straight answer to a straight question, people.

If you have heard some metal before, then it's basically a blend of Rush, Metallica and Dixie Dregs. There are other related influences like Yes, Queensryche, Al Di Meola among many others but this is the basic idea.

Start with Images and Words and if you like that, maybe go for Scenes from a Memory.

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 17:03

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

Why am I not surprised that the album that made #1 is the only one I don't have in my collection?

Not a knock against Dream Theater, since I've never heard any of their works, thus I can't make any judgment. How are they?

They're kind of like a metal version of Kansas, if that helps. Their music is typically structured in a traditional way, but focuses on harmonic and melodic variations in the verses. There are heavy riffs, chugging chords, arpeggios, and blindingly fast solos. The best parts of their music are the instrumental sections where, instead of trading off solos, all of the instruments play together. The music is very technical and rhythmically complex. Labrie's voice is very unique, it's love-it-or-hate-it but I personally find his vocals excellent.

The band is pretty much essential listening, even if it's not to your taste, because they are so important in the development of progressive metal. You may not like them or the genre they spawned but you should at least hear one of their albums (if only to see what all the hype is about). Start with Images and Words, Metropolis Part 2, or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Whatever you do, don't listen to Systematic Chaos first.

Huh. It kind of sounds like what Wetton-era King Crimson would've played had Robert Fripp not closed the shop in 1974.

Not even close, I must have done a terrible job of explaining LOL

. You just have to listen to get the idea yourself, come back and tell us what you think when you do Smile

On the intellectual debate: if, by "intellectual," you mean that the music and lyrics are intelligently composed and are musically and thematically thought-provoking, then yes, I would say that DT is intellectual (some might disagree). On the other hand, if by "intellectual" you mean that it's super artsy and high brow and, as Logan said, designed specifically to appeal to the intellect ("eye music" if you will), then DT isn't very intellectual. They're pretty complex as far as metal bands go, but not "intellectual" in the same way that Bach is, where the music is composed with strict rules of counterpoint, theme, and subject, full of word painting and symbolism and designed to appeal to the mind. That doesn't diminish the quality of DT's music; as HarboringtheSoul said, "intellectual" in this sense isn't synonymous with "good." It depends how you define the word; the first meaning I mentioned deals with whether the music is intelligent or not, the second deals with the more extreme connotations of the word "intellectual."

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 14:43

To me intellectual music is designed to appeal more to the intellect than the emotions. It's more about thinking than feeling. I would say that academic music generally is more intellecual than rock/metal forms of music, but of course a lot of Western art music (classical music to use the general term) does appeal to the emotions in very direct manner. I love music that makes me feel emotional, but classical music can make me feel too emotional (Delibes' Lachme, Tallis, Schubert, Prokofiev, Beethoven, Rachmaninov. Miaskovsky etc. can bring tears to my eyes).

Speaking of a composer who has a link to a school I have worked for, I think Murray Schafer's compositional apprach to music is more intellectual than Dream Theater's. I think that "modern" composers such as Stockhausen, Xenakis, Penderecki, Berio and Ligeti are more intellectual in their approach (some might say that the music simply appeals more to pseudo-sophisticos than the genuinely sophisticated audience that Dream Theater has).

If talking Prog, well I just don't think Prog commonly intellectual, and I am a fairly visceral listener. Intellectual also equals high-brow, and what is the most sophisticated and erudite music that Dream Theater has done?

Speaking PA materials, Aranis is not that structurally, harmonically or rhythmically complex , but this still sounds more sophisticated to me (partially due to the instrumentation and that it's more like western art music) than this Dream Theater track from the same year. More intellectual; that depends. I don't consider either of these to be intellectual (chose an Aranis track that I would think some would find more easy-listening, though long).

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM270zkWwI[/tube]

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecHv-Fee8-E[/tube]

Or, for fun, how about the openings of these compared since they are rather similar?

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgAc7ekYmVA[/tube]

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Vth8fdzic[/tube]

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:50

Geez, didn't I explicitly say that good music doesn't have to be intellectual? Most of the music I like isn't intellectual in any way.
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:44

Originally posted by dtguitarfan

Hmph, Bach? He's not intellectual! Blah blah blah Mahler blah blah Shostakovich blah blah Rachmaninoff blah blah blah and therefore Bach sucks.

Your arguments are very compelling.
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:30

Originally posted by thellama73

That sounds like fun. I'll start. I find Bach intellectual (sometimes too much so.)

Hmph, Bach? He's not intellectual! Blah blah blah Mahler blah blah Shostakovich blah blah Rachmaninoff blah blah blah and therefore Bach sucks.

There - wasn't that fun? Wink

(note: Bach is awesome, I was just doing my Prog Snob impression in a classical music context)
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:27

Originally posted by thellama73

That sounds like fun. I'll start. I find Bach intellectual (sometimes too much so.)

I'm sure he was looking for a prog band as an answer Tongue

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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:25

That sounds like fun. I'll start. I find Bach intellectual (sometimes too much so.)
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:23

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by ExittheLemming

I personally loathe Dream Theater heartily, but would never castigate the band for being anything remotely approaching intellectual. You can count to 5, 7 and 9 in sync with yer buddies? That's counting matey, not impenetrable complexity.....

There are works by DT that I have listened to countless times and am still trying to figure out the structures of. So yes, it is a deeply intellectual experience for me. Tell you what - why don't you tell me what YOU find intellectual and I will piss on it in turn and tell you it's not intellectual in any way. Let's have a pissing contest, why don't we?

Silly prog snobs. Wink

]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:23:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589212#4589212 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by Ambient... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589124#4589124 Author: KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 11:26

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

Huh. It kind of sounds like what Wetton-era King Crimson would've played had Robert Fripp not closed the shop in 1974.

As for the other nine choices: It's not the worst list I've seen, but I have my disagreements with the readers who voted in that list (and the magazine for making it):

1. Ranking 2112 higher than Hemispheres and Moving Pictures. I think the latter two works were greater accomplishments for the band, Hemispheres perfecting their prog sound and Moving Pictures showing that it is possible for a prog band to successfully incorporate new-wave styled sounds into their music.

2. Ranking In The Court Of The Crimson King higher than Red. Once again, good albums, but Red, in my book, was the greater accomplishment. Very few groups were making music like this at the time. I've said this before, the fact that Red came out during the time of the Osmonds and Casey Kasem's Top 40 just boggles the mind.

3. How did Selling England By The Pound and 2112 become nominees in the first place? Last time I read the New Rolling Stone Album Guide, those works weren't viewed too favorably.

4. No Thick As A Brick, Godbluff, ELP (debut), etc.
]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 11:26:39 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589124#4589124 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : This is the reason I am writing... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589072#4589072 Author: AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 10:20

This is the reason I am writing up my own Prog list. And I hope its more reliable than that travesty.

]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:20:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589072#4589072 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by KingCrInuYashaWhy... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589045#4589045 Author: Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 09:30

]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:30:55 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4589045#4589045 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by ExittheLemmingI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588993#4588993 Author: HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 06:44

More to the point, complexity and intellectuality have nothing to do with each other. Dream Theater's music is certainly complex, but it's hardly intellectual. Which is not a judgment of quality, you don't have to be intellectual or complex to be good.
]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:44:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588993#4588993 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : To quote Ian Anderson from "Baker... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588987#4588987 Author: BarryGlibb
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 06:23

To quote Ian Anderson from "Baker St Muse":

"I have no time for Time magazine or Rolling Stone"

]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:23:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588987#4588987 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by dtguitarfan Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588979#4588979 Author: ExittheLemming
Subject: 88597
Posted: August 03 2012 at 05:51

Originally posted by dtguitarfan

They are Prog Metal. Actually, they pretty much inspired almost everyone else in that sub genre who came after them. So their existence pisses PA off. Wink

Notwithstanding the emoticon which may masquerade as irony, why would a band that many informed souls would concede initiated an entire sub genre on PA piss this web site off? Confused

I personally loathe Dream Theater heartily, but would never castigate the band for being anything remotely approaching intellectual. You can count to 5, 7 and 9 in sync with yer buddies? That's counting matey, not impenetrable complexity.....

]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:51:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588979#4588979 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by KingCrInuYashaWhy... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588974#4588974 Author: dtguitarfan
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 05:30

They are Prog Metal. Actually, they pretty much inspired almost everyone else in that sub genre who came after them. So their existence pisses PA off. Wink

But give them a shot, and try not to judge right away - speaking as one of the "crazy" fans who thinks they are the greatest band ever, I didn't like them right away: they had to grow on me. They do a lot of intellectual stuff that has to grow on you, I think, before you start to enjoy their music and see the heart in it.
]]> Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:30:42 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588974#4588974 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588814#4588814 Author: thellama73
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:39

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by Sympathy Orchestra

I love how they took the subtitle of La Villa Strangiato as Rush admitting that they were too self indulgent. Funny, I always thought that was a jab at critics, such as those from Rolling Stone, who always criticized them as being such. Of course, they wouldn’t get it!

Of course they were making fun of themselves. I mean, how much more self-indulgent does it get than a multi-part suite based on Alex Lifeson's dreams?

And with a musical quote from Raymond Scott of all people (who should be on PA under prog electronic.)
]]> Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:39:49 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588814#4588814 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by Horizons Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588808#4588808 Author: CCVP
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:32

Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

Not a knock against Dream Theater, since I've never heard any of their works, thus I can't make any judgment. How are they?

This should start an interesting ~~discussion~~ drama..

Fixed.

As for the pool, some of it was predictable, but the amount of Rush was not. All in all, dumb top 10, PA has a ~~fair and balanced~~ much better selection, even though I disagree with it as well.

]]> Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:32:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588808#4588808 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by thellama73While... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588798#4588798 Author: The T
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:20

Originally posted by thellama73

While I love 2112, number 2 is ridiculous. The fact that Dream Theater is there at all invalidates the list in my opinion.

How is it that the selection as # 1 album of the most popular album among readers in a list made from readers votes invalidates it? Confused

Having said that, Rolling Stone is a monument of idiocy so it's rather surprising that at least they have some of the names and bands straight....

And, having said that, I'm so happy to see DT continuing to be popular and making so many prog purists extremely unhappy... Evil Smile

]]> Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:20:48 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588798#4588798 Rolling Stone's"Best Prog-Rock Albums of All Time" : Originally posted by KingCrInuYashaNot... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88597&PID=4588718#4588718 Author: Horizons
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 18:55

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

Not a knock against Dream Theater, since I've never heard any of their works, thus I can't make any judgment. How are they?

This should start an interesting discussion..

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