Gosh ... now I have to look to see if I have any of these ... if "any", I probably would think that the stuff I have from Pete Brown, is down right close ... I think there was an interest earlier, but it was hard to believe, that a few songs that came off so well written, all of a sudden, came off like crap! I never understood that ... and when I heard his album with the keyboard player from MAN, my only thought was ... this guy is too ripped to know the difference anymore!

 

But generally, that is the only one just about ... but I suppose that me having a few Mahler Symphonies, Turandot, Mary Queen of Scots, and a lot of Bernard Herrman will ahve many folks scratching their heads!

 

(not withstanding that the correct term is 'completists' not 'completionists')

 

Because who are we if not fans, and what are we if not collectors?

 

The MAGICK difference is that I don't listen to "prog", or "masterpieces", or "star", or "two star", or "mediocre" ...  ... and this is one of the most important things when discussing and understanding the underlying current of the original folks that were here 40 years ago (with the music I mean), most of which are highly musically inclined and interested in DIFFERENT music, none of which had anything to do with collecting at all.

In my case, it is all about "my own experience", and none of it has anything else to do with anyone else or anything else ... I may have gotten a little help from a few friends, notably Guy Guden at one time, but that's like saying I didn't have it before, when our house already had things like Alan Stivell and Aphrodite's Child and many Europeans and Latin Americans ... we were a house that was listening to a lot of music! I didn't need anyone to tell me that something was nice, or good ... and that is the main difference on my comment ... besides the fact that I doubt that collecting has a whole lot to do with listening ... for many people ... when you find that someone only wants this Blue Note label or another label, and they didn't care if Miles Davis played elsewhere ... which I have seen in my life!

Other than a handful of folks here, most of us collect experiences, not records, or cd's! Otherwise, the meaning of the music itself ... dies! And very quickly!

 

Not to mention never listen to any masterpieces by Swans or John Cage :mrgreen:

Yeah, i know what you mean. Sometimes can be more "adventurous" if you pick the "obscure" way in some famous band's discography too. 

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I kind of agree with what he's saying if you look at it from that perspective.

I have 'collected' many prog cd's over the years and some I rarely listen to because they are simply not as good as the others with traditionally higher ratings. That doesn't mean I don't pull them out and play them sometimes because one could always change their mind or 'hear' an lp differently the next time.

So I tend to do the same thing and play my favorites which usually are the higher ranked lp's.

And case in point I have a friend who is a hard core collector (thousands of cd's and lp's ..) of all things progressive rock...and he has told me there are many things he has only played once  because they just aren't as good as the better rated ones.

Just saying......

 

 

 

v  ... I don't really find ratings to be only for entertainment purposes. Let's say I've read some reviews already, but I'm still at crossroads. I have nothing else to rely on but the math.

(And I definitely don't think that anyone should feel forced to do stuff the way I do, so feel free to ignore my comments. )

 

you must have some awfully bizarre, insane and stupid ideas about collectors ... if I want all Mozart, wtf would I care if you think it is a 1-star, 2-star, or 3-star, specially when it went by your rankings?  Likewise, if I like music, and I did not care if it was prog or not, why would you be criticizing something I like? Or me criticising something that you like?

 

There is no such thing as mediocre prog, or superior prog, and this is not a racist board ... so be kind enough to stop saying that one person is inferior to another! Snow Dog's comments are just as valid as mine .,.. except that he can't have the ugly duckling nickname ... that's mine!

 

 

 

Also, why listen only to what other people say are the very best albums?  I've heard hundreds of albums in my time, but I've never listened to an entire Bob Dylan album, for example.

 

But yes, I have quite many albums which have ended getting dust and I don't feel the need to listen to them again, although now and then I may pick one of these and give it one more try just for a change or to refresh my opinion.

 

This is completely different from the fact that I still like to try albums which I have never listened to yet, even if they are not highly rated or are obscure.

 

So the key is, "mediocre" to whom? to yourself or to others? if you know already the album and you find it mediocre then fully agree, why listen to it again when you can listen to things you enjoy more.

 

But if you never heard the album and all you know is that other people consider it mediocre, you may still want to give it a chance.

 

 

 

 

83 is pretty much the last of the good stuff. Drum sounds and compositions pretty much went out the window for the next decade. Too many bad bands in that decade and all those new influences gauranteed great bands and great music was gone forever

doesn't mean it can't have a masterpiece song or 2 on it.

I'd hate to miss out on those.