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Subject: 90627
Posted: February 10 2013 at 16:27

^ Lucas has a point, Rage for Order is the proggiest

My favs from O:M are The Mission and Suite Sister Mary
]]> Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:27:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4719090#4719090 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : 'O: M' is good, but... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4719052#4719052 Author: lucas
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 10 2013 at 15:36

'O: M' is good, but 'rage for order' remains their best though.]]> Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:36:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4719052#4719052 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Never heard it, i have no interest... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4719014#4719014 Author: Horizons
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 10 2013 at 14:46

Never heard it, i have no interest in doing so either though.

Edited by Horizons - February 10 2013 at 14:46]]> Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:46:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4719014#4719014 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : It's the only album I got... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4718968#4718968 Author: Gerinski
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 10 2013 at 13:42

It's the only album I got from them, not too bad but a bit too hair-metal for my taste too, had it been released in 1980 it could have impressed me more but by the time it came out it felt like that kind of stuff was already over for me.]]> Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:42:39 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4718968#4718968 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I will always love this album.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4718873#4718873 Author: Xerath101
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 10 2013 at 09:55

I will always love this album. Make sure to give Operation LIVEcrime a try. Has fantastic production and is performed flawlessly. Also pick up the DVD version!]]> Sun, 10 Feb 2013 09:55:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4718873#4718873 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I dude I used to work with was... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4717776#4717776 Author: Tom Ozric
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 08 2013 at 19:06

I dude I used to work with was massively in to Queensryche.  He lent me a stack of their CD's to listen to, Operation Mindcrime being one of them.  I didn't really get into them - they reminded me of 'hair-metal' albeit with considerable chops.........

]]> Fri, 08 Feb 2013 19:06:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4717776#4717776 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Most played album as a teenager.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4715971#4715971 Author: Barbu
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 05 2013 at 20:56

Most played album as a teenager. Good concept, great songs. Favorite : Eyes of a Stranger.]]> Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:56:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4715971#4715971 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Speak to me....the pain you feel....speak... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4715851#4715851 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: February 05 2013 at 17:41

Speak to me....the pain you feel....speak to me....the pain you feel...speak the word...the word is all of us...Revolution.

 
Given this album another listen.  It is just so good.
]]> Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:41:05 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4715851#4715851 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Originally posted by rushfan4Curious... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4665592#4665592 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 21 2012 at 22:07

Originally posted by rushfan4

Curious your thoughts on the concept.  I believe that the gist of the story is that Nikki becomes a hit man for Dr. X who is the leader of the revolution.  The idea being that the underground intends to overthrow the corrupt 1%.  It appears as though Nikki has carried out various hits for Dr. X.   Dr. X orders Nikki to kill the nun, Mary, as well as the priest, Father William, because they know too much.  Not sure if they were part of the revolution, or if Nikki had confided in them about what he had done, and by so doing they became a liability.  Mary had worked as a prostitute and Father William had "saved her from the streets", but "he takes her once a week on the alter like a sacrifice", which I assume means that the Father is being unpriestly.  Nikki does kill the priest, but he tells Mary that he was sent to kill her and that he wants to run away with her.  He tells Dr. X that he quits, and of course Dr. X tells him that he can't quit.  When Nikki gets back to Mary he finds her dead. (I believe that Dr. X had her killed and that Nikki didn't do it, unless he did it through mind control.  Anyhow, he gets arrested.  He doesn't believe in love, and he is placed in a straight jacket and placed on sedatives.       



Is there a hidden story behind the story?  Did these things really happen or is he just insane?  Did he do these things because he was on drugs? 



 

I'm curious how others interpret the story.


Yup. You got it. You know what's happening for sure. ;) it's such a great story and it's so politically charged. You can really feel what's going on in the music story wise. Very few concept albums out there really make you feel as engaged of what's happening in a story in relation to the music. I can only think of a few others that do. 1) THE HUMAN EQUATION 2) SCENES OF A MEMORY. 3) SAVIOUR MACHINE's LEGEND PT1-3 Those are true concept albums, but MINDCRIME really takes the crown for me as being #1. Also. The video's are great too! Oh and FYI those eye brows of dr. X's are real!! Lol]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:07:49 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4665592#4665592 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I've "changed my mind".... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4665585#4665585 Author: infocat
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 21 2012 at 21:47

I've "changed my mind".  I listened to it the other day and it really is quite a wonderful album.  A bit long, but that's about the only bad thing that can be said.
(Even inspired me to change my sig.)
]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:47:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4665585#4665585 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Great thread. Yeah, MINDCRIME... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4665301#4665301 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 21 2012 at 11:29

Great thread. Yeah, MINDCRIME is still to this day my favourite conceptual album. It's absolutely brilliant and I love how Geoff Tate got the inspiration at an old church In MONTRÈAL to write the lyrics and come up with story itself. I was in Montrèal last weekend and I thought of that. :)]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:29:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4665301#4665301 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I think that he killed the priest.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4663304#4663304 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 18 2012 at 10:05

I think that he killed the priest.  In Mindcrime at the Moore, it seems as though Dr. X forced Mary into killing herself because she thought that Dr. X would kill Nikki otherwise.  I haven't caught that part listening to the album, so I am not sure if that is how it sounds or that was an update they did live. I'll have to relisten to that part of the album a little closer.

Edited by rushfan4 - November 18 2012 at 10:07]]> Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:05:51 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4663304#4663304 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Great album!I never did figure... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662948#4662948 Author: Jbird
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 18:22

Great album!

I never did figure out if he killed priest/Mary, or if someone else did, etc. I just never delved into it too deeply.

My favorite track on it has to be 'I Don't Believe In Love', I just think the chord progression sounds cool Smile
]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:22:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662948#4662948 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Originally posted by sleeperGood... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662923#4662923 Author: moshkito
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 17:41

Originally posted by sleeper

Good album, and one of the first essential albums in Progressive Metal. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but it is very good.
 
 
+1
 
I second this opinion!
 
Their tour with Dream Theater was excellent ... and that rendition of Who Are You, was tops ... and one of the few renditions of The Who, that are worth hearing.
 
PS: I honestly do not like the label "progressive metal" ... why? ... if you listen to Gong's You, on side 2, you have the same thing ... loud rock music ... just missing the compression and the lousy drumming, of course! And there is a lot of Hawkwind that would/could/should be considered "progressive metal" as well ... but suggesting that Mindcrime's lyrics are more important than Hawkwind's ... is scary ... they are all good in their own way ... specially when it is at least 25 years apart!


Edited by moshkito - November 17 2012 at 17:55]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:41:18 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662923#4662923 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Crimson Glory is also a must for... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662882#4662882 Author: Ytse_Jam
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 16:22

Crimson Glory is also a must for Queensryche fans.]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:22:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662882#4662882 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : There's nothing to talk about,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662650#4662650 Author: CCVP
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 11:16

There's nothing to talk about, really. 


Except that it is a groundbreaking, timeless and one of the best progressive metal albums EVER.]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:16:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662650#4662650 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Operation Mindcrime and Empire... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662613#4662613 Author: aginor
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 09:24

Operation Mindcrime and Empire is rated equal on Allmusic, 4/5 star Approve]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:24:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662613#4662613 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : That'scool. I don't... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662601#4662601 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 08:59

That's cool.  I don't have the DVD but intend on getting at least one of their live shows.]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:59:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662601#4662601 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I only have Empire :(, but i... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662594#4662594 Author: aginor
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 08:44

I only have Empire :(, but i got the Operation Mindcrime concert on DVD

Edited by aginor - November 17 2012 at 08:45]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:44:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662594#4662594 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Not bad. Kind of had an early... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662590#4662590 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 17 2012 at 08:38

Not bad.  Kind of had an early Iron Maiden sound too.  ]]> Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:38:05 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662590#4662590 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : For anyone who likes classic... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662293#4662293 Author: menawati
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 18:05

For anyone who likes classic period Queensryche check Lethal out they were excellent and very similair in some ways.

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]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:05:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662293#4662293 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I consider it to be one of the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662278#4662278 Author: Ytse_Jam
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 16:54

I consider it to be one of the few QR's albums that deserve multiple listens, if not the only. ]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:54:45 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662278#4662278 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I've always liked the idea... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662247#4662247 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 15:40

I've always liked the idea of the concept but can't say that I had really ever fully got it.  I certainly agree that I have always enjoyed the overall sound.]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:40:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662247#4662247 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Gotta admit I never analysed the... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662234#4662234 Author: menawati
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 15:31

Gotta admit I never analysed the concept much, it's the jabbing riffs, great melodies, killer solos, Geoff in top form and overall consistency from start to finish that made me love it.]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:31:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662234#4662234 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I always thought it could be insanity.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662225#4662225 Author: Alitare
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 15:13

I always thought it could be insanity. That's one interpretation. The entire album is supposed to take place between the span of a single minute in the mind of the main character, Nikki. The idea is that he relives these mad visions each minute for years. I think many of the songs could be taken without the overall concept. 'Speak' is a vicious (but real vague) political attack. Always liked that line 'burn the white-house down'. They already tried that, but hey!]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:13:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662225#4662225 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Curious your thoughts on the concept.... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662221#4662221 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 15:09

Curious your thoughts on the concept.  I believe that the gist of the story is that Nikki becomes a hit man for Dr. X who is the leader of the revolution.  The idea being that the underground intends to overthrow the corrupt 1%.  It appears as though Nikki has carried out various hits for Dr. X.   Dr. X orders Nikki to kill the nun, Mary, as well as the priest, Father William, because they know too much.  Not sure if they were part of the revolution, or if Nikki had confided in them about what he had done, and by so doing they became a liability.  Mary had worked as a prostitute and Father William had "saved her from the streets", but "he takes her once a week on the alter like a sacrifice", which I assume means that the Father is being unpriestly.  Nikki does kill the priest, but he tells Mary that he was sent to kill her and that he wants to run away with her.  He tells Dr. X that he quits, and of course Dr. X tells him that he can't quit.  When Nikki gets back to Mary he finds her dead. (I believe that Dr. X had her killed and that Nikki didn't do it, unless he did it through mind control.  Anyhow, he gets arrested.  He doesn't believe in love, and he is placed in a straight jacket and placed on sedatives.       

Is there a hidden story behind the story?  Did these things really happen or is he just insane?  Did he do these things because he was on drugs? 
 
I'm curious how others interpret the story.
]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:09:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662221#4662221 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : One of the first albums I ever... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662211#4662211 Author: Alitare
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 14:59

One of the first albums I ever fell in love with. I like each song. My favorites would be Speak, Spreading the Disease, The Needle Lies and Eyes of a Stranger.

Lately I've grown to prefer Promised Land, but I'll always enjoy playing Mindcrime through from beginning to end. 
]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:59:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662211#4662211 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : One of my favourite albums of... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662205#4662205 Author: menawati
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 14:44

One of my favourite albums of all time. Just brilliant.

I usually listen all the way through.
Faves are Eyes of a Stranger, Needle Lies and Spreading the Disease.


Edited by menawati - November 16 2012 at 14:46]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:44:42 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662205#4662205 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : Good album, and one of the first... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662199#4662199 Author: sleeper
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 14:24

Good album, and one of the first essential albums in Progressive Metal. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but it is very good.]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:24:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662199#4662199 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I'm listening to it for... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662146#4662146 Author: HolyMoly
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 12:35

I'm listening to it for the first time right now.  It's rockin' and catchy.  No idea what the concept is about, but musically it's fun and engaging. And the singer sounds a little like Rob Halford, which is cool too.


Edited by HolyMoly - November 16 2012 at 12:36]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:35:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662146#4662146 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : The only Queensrÿche albumI've... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662135#4662135 Author: The Bearded Bard
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 12:21

The only Queensrÿche album I've heard. It's a really good album, IMO, but I feel it loses some steam after The Needle Lies which it doesn't pick up again until the last song, Eyes of a Stranger. Track 1-9 and 15 are excellent though.]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:21:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662135#4662135 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : I bought this album when it originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662090#4662090 Author: infocat
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 10:56

I bought this album when it originally came out, having already owned their first two releases.  Honestly?  Though I thought the concept was very interesting, I found the album itself to be a bit lacking compared to their previous.  Not exactly sure why.  Maybe I was a bit annoyed at it obviously being a metal version of The Wall.  I haven't listened to it in quite a while, so I probably should do that before I comment further!]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:56:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662090#4662090 Let's Talk About Queensrÿche -Operation: Mindcrime : A while back I started a series... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627&PID=4662059#4662059 Author: rushfan4
Subject: 90627
Posted: November 16 2012 at 09:31

A while back I started a series of threads which tried to promote a discussion about newly released albums that may or may not have been well known in hopes of bringing these albums to the attention of PA forum members, and also in hopes of doing a sort of "book of the month" discussion about these albums.  These threads met with limited success with most of them only receiving minimal participation, but I think that those who regularly participated in them did get some enjoyment out of them, and some people may even have discovered albums that they may otherwise not have known about.  I am considering revisiting that concept in the future, but for the time being, I have decided to try something new and maybe create a series of discussion threads to discuss "classic" albums. 
 
Anyone who pays any attention to the "What Am I Listening To Now?" threads has probably noticed my recent Queensrÿche marathon and being in that state of mind I have decided to try out this thread concept with their classic spy concept album Operation: Mindcrime.  I think that many, if not most, forum members are familiar with this album, and that it is generally considered to be Queensrÿche's best album.  Why is this?  Is it the music?  Is it the concept? Is it Geoff Tate's golden pipes?  Is it because of sexual fantasies involving nuns and guns?   
 
At any rate my hope is that maybe this thread will result in a nice interactive discussion regarding this album and its place in prog rock/metal history.  Your feelings.  Your thoughts on the concept.  Your thoughts on your enjoyment or disappointment with Part 2.  Favorite individual tracks and whether or not they should be heard separately or whether it is a requirement to listen to the whole album.
 
 
 
I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.
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