Progressive Rock Music Forum : Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Progressive Rock Music Forum : Prog Music Lounge : Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 18 May 2013 14:34:44 +0000 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:35:40 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.69 360 www.progarchives.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=90864 Progressive Rock Music Forum http://www.progarchives.com/forum/css_styles/mac-prog/PAlogo_v2.gif http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by presdougWhen... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4739507#4739507 Author: SquonkHunter
Subject: 90864
Posted: March 15 2013 at 06:35

Originally posted by presdoug

When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned


Growing up in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area in the early 70s, Bloodrock was a huge local favorite. Always nice to see hometown boys make good. Clap
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Posted: February 26 2013 at 11:41

Imaginary scenario:
 
How progressive rock might have developed without including the UK's bands (let's say, for example, that all the UK's psychedelic bands moved on to country rock by 1969, just like the US ones did)
 
1960s:
Miles Davis, Frank Zappa & Brian Wilson inspire a generation of US prog bands.
Daevid Allen, Konny Plank, & Christian Vander inspire a generation of European bands
 
1970s:
Jazz/Fusion rules in the US
Everyone else flies away to Planet Gong.
 
Which is pretty much what happened anyway! LOL
 
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Posted: January 11 2013 at 13:23

One more thing

Check how many bands claim to be influenced by Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull or ELP.

I calculate around 90%, if not more.

Now tell me, ¿How many bands claim to have been influenced by bands from other nations?

The percentage will be incredibly smaller


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Subject: 90864
Posted: January 11 2013 at 13:14

Originally posted by Snow Dog

It makes sense that The US have more. Much huger population equals more varieties of everything under the sun.


Huger? That better not be a jab at our weight.  Don't make us try to get up off this couch!


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Posted: January 11 2013 at 12:48

Originally posted by Thandrus

Did a simple search in ProgArchives symphonic prog section to see which country had the most symphonic prog bands. See results below in the photo attached.

I was as amazed as some of you might get. The results proved wrong the most rooted prog misconception according to which UK was the center of symphonic prog. As you can see here, there are almost two times more symphonic prog bands in US than in UK. Germany has just as many symphonic prog bands as UK. Could what we've thought all this time be just a matter of exposure? Share your thoughts, please!

P.S. This doesn't even take into the account all the Italian prog bands, who were mostly of symphonic variety.

Let me see:

  1. The number of bands is not everything:
  2. The big six bands are
    1. King Crimson: Symphonic Debut (UK)
    2. Yes Symphonic (UK)
    3. Genesis Symphonic (UK)
    4. ELP: Symphonic (UK)
    5. Jethro Tull Folk (UK)
    6. Pink Floyd Psych/Space (UK)
  3. Most if the USA Symphopnic bands are post 70's, so in the 70's when the genre was young, UK wasc the center along with Italy, with the difference that most italian bands are one shot bands that released one album and vanished
  4. Most German bands are derivative in different degrees
  5. Italy has it's own genre.
So Yes, UK is the source and center of Symphonic.

Iván  

PD: Just in case I have heard at least one album of each and every band listed in Symphonic



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Posted: December 20 2012 at 03:55

I don't really care about how technically proficient musicians are at playing their instruments if I find their music completely boring. To me bands like The Doors were just as proficient in the context of their time and were much more inventive and revolutionary with their music.


Edited by Sumdeus - December 20 2012 at 03:56]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:55:39 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4683636#4683636 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by progbethyname Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4683611#4683611 Author: Dean
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 20 2012 at 02:47

Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Sumdeus

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.

Agreed, career sales of 10 million, while being impressive, pale into insignificance compared to American bands like Boston, Journey, ZZ Top, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Green Day, Creed, Eagles, Guns & Roses, Bon Jovi etc. achieve that on a single album.


Fine, but do any of those bands come close to the sheer skill and musicianship of Dream Theater??
No freakin' way. Boston is pretty awesome, but not Dream Theater awesome.
You're the one who brought up statistics as a criteria Tongue
 
How do you measure skill and musicianship and is that really an indication of "the greatest band in America"?
 
I would imagine popularity and influence are far more important.
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 20 2012 at 01:50

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Sumdeus

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.

Agreed, career sales of 10 million, while being impressive, pale into insignificance compared to American bands like Boston, Journey, ZZ Top, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Green Day, Creed, Eagles, Guns & Roses, Bon Jovi etc. achieve that on a single album.


Fine, but do any of those bands come close to the sheer skill and musicianship of Dream Theater??
No freakin' way. Boston is pretty awesome, but not Dream Theater awesome. ]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2012 01:50:11 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4683583#4683583 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by thellama73 Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4683003#4683003 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 19 2012 at 11:41

Originally posted by thellama73


Originally posted by rogerthat


Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.


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Each to his own then.  The Doors were way more important to rock music than Aerosmith.  I thought you said greatest and not just the one that's your favourite?
My point was that I initially thought it absurd that Aerosmith could call themselves that, but I was surprised to have such difficulty coming up with American bands I like better. I think it says something about the quality of American rock music compared to Britain. When I think rock bands, I immediately think of The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Dire Straits, Queen, etc.America does have some great solo artists, though. Hendrix, Dylan, Alice Cooper, Springsteen, Zappa, Beefheart, Warren Zevon, etc. Maybe something to do with our individualistic nature.


Oh Dire Straights is great. Love the album BROTHERS IN ARMS. Mark Knopler is an incredible guitarist and a very accomplished one at that. :)]]> Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:41:12 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4683003#4683003 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by presdougWhen... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4682837#4682837 Author: moshkito
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 19 2012 at 08:08

Originally posted by presdoug

When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned
 
Shhhhhhhh!!!!!
 
Wink
 
We can not name half known and unknown American bands no one has ever heard ... specially if they came out of the Fillmore and Monterey days ...
 
Embarrassed
 
Of course, you're right ... but then ... even mentioning Al Kooper or Paul Butterfield, Sugar Loaf, Ides of March, (heaven forbid!) Mason Profit ... and many others, around here, sends shivers up the progressive spine! And I haven't started on the SF scene, which was bigger than the midwest scene ... but I could add Sons of Champlin!
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 09:17

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Didn't anyone say Blue Oyster Cult?


Ah, that is a good point. They are pretty great.
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 05:38

Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul


Originally posted by progbethyname

More people like simple music. That demographic won't change for at least as long as I am alive On this planet earth
So if I kill you...? Wink


Killing me won't change why pop sells so much more than prog.
I know you wish it was that simple, but it isn't. Also, let's be clear

I DON'T LIKE THIS FACT AT ALL! Wish it weren't true.

I don't actually care what sells how much, it was merely a very silly joke. I will happily continue to listen to and buy both 'pop' and 'prog' music, whatever that means.

Originally posted by Sumdeus

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.

I think there is, but there's no way I would ever agree. Not as long as there are such tremendous bands as the Doors, CSN and ZZ Top.


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Posted: December 17 2012 at 04:16

Didn't anyone say Blue Oyster Cult?]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:16:57 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681085#4681085 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by SumdeusI... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681081#4681081 Author: Dean
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 03:47

Originally posted by Sumdeus

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.
Agreed, career sales of 10 million, while being impressive, pale into insignificance compared to American bands like Boston, Journey, ZZ Top, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Green Day, Creed, Eagles, Guns & Roses, Bon Jovi etc. achieve that on a single album.]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:47:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681081#4681081 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : I think there&#039;s no way anyone... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681074#4681074 Author: Sumdeus
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 03:17

I think there's no way anyone could seriously say Dream Theater are the greatest American band.]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:17:42 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681074#4681074 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by progbethyname Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681050#4681050 Author: octopus-4
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:38

Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by octopus-4

Million albums? Beach Boys.


Not prog.

I see them as proto for their last albums. Unfortunately Kansas sold probably less than DT but I don't know the statistics. Effectively, thinking to top selling American prog there's not very much to mention.
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:36

Originally posted by presdoug

When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned



Blue Cheer are one of the pioneers of the hard rock/metal genre itself!! I have a ton of respect for them. ]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:36:39 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681049#4681049 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by octopus-4Million... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681046#4681046 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:34

Originally posted by octopus-4

Million albums? Beach Boys.


Not prog. ]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:34:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681046#4681046 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681044#4681044 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:33

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul


Originally posted by progbethyname

More people like simple music. That demographic won't change for at least as long as I am alive On this planet earth
So if I kill you...? Wink


Killing me won't change why pop sells so much more than prog.
I know you wish it was that simple, but it isn't. Also, let's be clear

I DON'T LIKE THIS FACT AT ALL! Wish it weren't true. ]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:33:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681044#4681044 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Million albums? Beach Boys. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681042#4681042 Author: octopus-4
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Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:31

Million albums? Beach Boys.]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:31:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681042#4681042 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Ok. I&#039;ll play this game The... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681033#4681033 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:13

Ok. I'll play this game

The greatest American band is without question

DREAM THEATER.

You want to talk about statistics Dream Theater have sold more than 10 million albums world wide. Highest grossing total for any progressive metal band on the planet and there is a good reason for it, and it's because they are a quality versatile band that has some of the strongest musicianship on planet earth. Nuff said. ]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:13:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4681033#4681033 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : When thinking of great US bands,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4680331#4680331 Author: presdoug
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 15 2012 at 20:05

When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned]]> Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:05:30 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4680331#4680331 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by Dean But...... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4680223#4680223 Author: octopus-4
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 15 2012 at 16:01

Originally posted by Dean


 
But... The greatest American band is System Of A Down.

I thought it was Green Day LOL

(but I like SOAD and I wouldn't feel bad if anybody suggests Serj Tankian for inclusion.
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 15 2012 at 15:34

Originally posted by Dean

But... The greatest American band is System Of A Down.



you're.... joking, right? please tell me you're joking...


as far as the best American bands it's definitely The Doors or Grateful Dead for me.


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Posted: December 15 2012 at 13:33

Same goes for Transatlantic I guess.

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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 15 2012 at 11:48

Originally posted by moshkito



Say, is Fleetwood Mac British or American now?
 
It's been 50/50 for quite some time ... you know that already, though!
[/QUOTE]

Yep, and so is (what's left from) King Crimson, and Foreigner as well. 
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 15 2012 at 11:40

Originally posted by Epignosis

Logan, I would have offered Kansas, but several other choices were offered to you.

Say, is Fleetwood Mac British or American now?
 
It's been 50/50 for quite some time ... you know that already, though!
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 22:00

Logan, I would have offered Kansas, but several other choices were offered to you.

Say, is Fleetwood Mac British or American now?
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:45

Originally posted by thellama73

I don't think very highly of Aerosmith at all, but I'm hard pressed to think of another one, unless you count backing bands like the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Maybe Boston? I'm open to suggestion.
The Jimi Hendrix Experience were British, they just happened to have an American front man. Big smile
 
Not much of an expert on American music and I know 4/5ths of sod all about 70s americana but I would have listed bands from the 80s & 90s as well REM, Talking Heads (in the 80s), Pearl Jam, Nirvana, RCHP, Heart (in the 80s)...
 
Where America excell is in mainstream Metal - Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Megadeth, Machine Head, Type O Negative, Korn, Death, Faith No More, Anthrax, Fear Factory, etc.
 
But... The greatest American band is System Of A Down.
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:31

I really like that you mentioned Zevon. 

I listen to Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner every week.

As for which band came where? I could care less.

And The Band were (mostly) Canadian. One of my favorite musical groups, but not entirely a US rock band.
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:26

Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.

Each to his own then.  The Doors were way more important to rock music than Aerosmith.  I thought you said greatest and not just the one that's your favourite?


My point was that I initially thought it absurd that Aerosmith could call themselves that, but I was surprised to have such difficulty coming up with American bands I like better. I think it says something about the quality of American rock music compared to Britain. When I think rock bands, I immediately think of The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Dire Straits, Queen, etc.

America does have some great solo artists, though. Hendrix, Dylan, Alice Cooper, Springsteen, Zappa, Beefheart, Warren Zevon, etc. Maybe something to do with our individualistic nature.
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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:16

Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.

Not a big fan of everything I have mentioned myself, was just saying, US have produced quite a few fine rock bands.
Aerosmits are not that bad either, as a straight up rock act.
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:15

Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.

Each to his own then.  The Doors were way more important to rock music than Aerosmith.  I thought you said greatest and not just the one that's your favourite?
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:13

Originally posted by tamijo

US did actually produce a number of fine acts, but in the 70's UK was a solid diamond mine in great music.

Yep, I think that the more popular bands like Aerosmith, KISS or GNR give American rock a bit of a bad name.  If you exclude prog and consider only straight up rock, it doesn't match up so badly with British rock.
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:11

Guns n Roses, Van H., at least as good I guess, 
Talking H. Def. better I'm my taste.

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Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:10

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:10:50 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679748#4679748 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Tool, Metalica, The Mars Volta,... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679745#4679745 Author: tamijo
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:05

Tool, Metalica, The Mars Volta, Pearl Jam, Mega D. , aren't they all US Rock bands. Better than Aerosmith ?
Then the classics : Doors, Zappa, CC revival, N. Young, Thin Lizzy, Lynyrd. 
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:05:04 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679745#4679745 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by thellama73 Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679744#4679744 Author: silverpot
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:00

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by moodyxadi

Originally posted by sagichim

And among all the US bands how many of them were 70's bands? Maybe most of them came much later?


THAT is the question that solves the "problem". "America the Great" feelings aside, the assumptions made by the "statistics"' results are plainly wrong. Deal with it.

Jazz? US rules. Pop music? They sell more. Quality and expansion even of native music genres? Ops, Old Europe kicks hard some a$$es.  


When I worked at a record store, a new Aerosmith CD came in with a sticker proclaiming "America's Greatest Rock Band." I thought: "That can't be true! What about...?" and then couldn't think of any American rock bands. I am as much of a patriot as anyone, but Britain clearly destroys us at music.


Brainfrating aside, are you now suggesting that Aerosmith is America's greatest rock band?  That would be surprising.


I don't think very highly of Aerosmith at all, but I'm hard pressed to think of another one, unless you count backing bands like the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Maybe Boston? I'm open to suggestion.


The Band?
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:00:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679744#4679744 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : US did actually produce a number... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679741#4679741 Author: tamijo
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:59

US did actually produce a number of fine acts, but in the 70's UK was a solid diamond mine in great music.]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:59:17 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679741#4679741 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : The Doors? Van Halen? Alice in... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679740#4679740 Author: rogerthat
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:58

The Doors?  Van Halen?  Alice in Chains? Hell, Nirvana?  And I haven't heard very much of The Band but they must be better than Aerosmith too 'coz it can't be very hard?
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:58:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679740#4679740 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by Epignosis Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679731#4679731 Author: thellama73
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:40

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by moodyxadi

Originally posted by sagichim

And among all the US bands how many of them were 70's bands? Maybe most of them came much later?


THAT is the question that solves the "problem". "America the Great" feelings aside, the assumptions made by the "statistics"' results are plainly wrong. Deal with it.

Jazz? US rules. Pop music? They sell more. Quality and expansion even of native music genres? Ops, Old Europe kicks hard some a$$es.  


When I worked at a record store, a new Aerosmith CD came in with a sticker proclaiming "America's Greatest Rock Band." I thought: "That can't be true! What about...?" and then couldn't think of any American rock bands. I am as much of a patriot as anyone, but Britain clearly destroys us at music.


Brainfrating aside, are you now suggesting that Aerosmith is America's greatest rock band?  That would be surprising.


I don't think very highly of Aerosmith at all, but I'm hard pressed to think of another one, unless you count backing bands like the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Maybe Boston? I'm open to suggestion.
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:40:47 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679731#4679731 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Yeah, what about Grand Funk Railroad?!... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679724#4679724 Author: Alitare
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:22

Yeah, what about Grand Funk Railroad?! Don't forget th' 'Funk!

I'm sorry. I really am. I don't got anything useful to say.
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:22:08 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679724#4679724 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by thellama73 Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679722#4679722 Author: Epignosis
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:14

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by moodyxadi

Originally posted by sagichim

And among all the US bands how many of them were 70's bands? Maybe most of them came much later?


THAT is the question that solves the "problem". "America the Great" feelings aside, the assumptions made by the "statistics"' results are plainly wrong. Deal with it.

Jazz? US rules. Pop music? They sell more. Quality and expansion even of native music genres? Ops, Old Europe kicks hard some a$$es.  


When I worked at a record store, a new Aerosmith CD came in with a sticker proclaiming "America's Greatest Rock Band." I thought: "That can't be true! What about...?" and then couldn't think of any American rock bands. I am as much of a patriot as anyone, but Britain clearly destroys us at music.


Brainfrating aside, are you now suggesting that Aerosmith is America's greatest rock band?  That would be surprising.
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:14:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679722#4679722 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by moodyxadi Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679681#4679681 Author: thellama73
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 17:00

Originally posted by moodyxadi

Originally posted by sagichim

And among all the US bands how many of them were 70's bands? Maybe most of them came much later?


THAT is the question that solves the "problem". "America the Great" feelings aside, the assumptions made by the "statistics"' results are plainly wrong. Deal with it.

Jazz? US rules. Pop music? They sell more. Quality and expansion even of native music genres? Ops, Old Europe kicks hard some a$$es.  


When I worked at a record store, a new Aerosmith CD came in with a sticker proclaiming "America's Greatest Rock Band." I thought: "That can't be true! What about...?" and then couldn't think of any American rock bands. I am as much of a patriot as anyone, but Britain clearly destroys us at music.
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:00:10 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679681#4679681 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679671#4679671 Author: SolarLuna96
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 16:49

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by progbethyname

More people like simple music. That demographic won't change for at least as long as I am alive On this planet earth

So if I kill you...? Wink

reported
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:49:01 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679671#4679671 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by progbethynameMore... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679656#4679656 Author: HarbouringTheSoul
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 16:34

Originally posted by progbethyname

More people like simple music. That demographic won't change for at least as long as I am alive On this planet earth

So if I kill you...? Wink
]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:34:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679656#4679656 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : ^ sadly it does. More people... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679558#4679558 Author: progbethyname
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 14 2012 at 13:45

^ sadly it does.

More people like simple music. That demographic won't change for at least as long as I am alive On this planet earth]]> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:45:15 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679558#4679558 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by sagichim And... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679149#4679149 Author: moodyxadi
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 13 2012 at 17:45

Originally posted by sagichim

And among all the US bands how many of them were 70's bands? Maybe most of them came much later?


THAT is the question that solves the "problem". "America the Great" feelings aside, the assumptions made by the "statistics"' results are plainly wrong. Deal with it.

Jazz? US rules. Pop music? They sell more. Quality and expansion even of native music genres? Ops, Old Europe kicks hard some a$$es.  
]]> Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:45:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4679149#4679149 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : Originally posted by Dean Originally... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4674196#4674196 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 06 2012 at 06:12

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by moshkito

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by moshkito

The European versions were all over, except that too many folks were not able to listen to them ... or worse ... "they singing in French ... or Italian" ... and this has happened here on this board!
 
 
Poll Question: Does it matter to you if Lyrics are not in English ?
Poll ChoiceVotesPoll Statistics
19 [13.87%]
118 [86.13%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted
 
 
Geek
 
NEXT! Stern Smile
 
Dean ... that poll applies to THIS BOARD ... whose fans and folks are much more educated about this than otherwise, which would lend a very slanted eye to that poll.
 
NEXT! Stern Smile
 
and you said " ... and this has happened here on this board! " yet the poll says it's not. And now you say it's not too. Confused

Frustrating isn't it. Especially with all the evidence in the  above  quotes.
]]> Thu, 06 Dec 2012 06:12:05 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4674196#4674196 Simple statistics, misconceptions disproved. : isn&#039;t it just probably a... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4674140#4674140 Author: Atavachron
Subject: 90864
Posted: December 06 2012 at 01:20

isn't it just probably a matter of numbers?; the US is enormous, it will have more of most things]]> Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:20:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90864&PID=4674140#4674140