Progressive Rock Music Forum http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Progressive Rock Music Forum : Last 100 Posts Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:55:32 +0000 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:54:44 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.69 1 www.progarchives.com/forum/RSS_topic_feed.asp Progressive Rock Music Forum http://www.progarchives.com/forum/css_styles/mac-prog/PAlogo_v2.gif http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation : Serbian instrumental Prog http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79149&PID=4426763#4426763 Author: Svetonio
Subject: Serbian instrumental Prog
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:54

Artist: Naked
Album: Get Naked (2011)
 
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]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:54:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79149&PID=4426763#4426763 General Music Discussions : Animals and nature in music http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75668&PID=4426761#4426761 Author: presdoug
Subject: Animals and nature in music
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:53

The beautiful flute soloing in the first two movements to Anton Bruckner's magnificent Seventh Symphony remind me of a bird calling in spring]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:53:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75668&PID=4426761#4426761 Prog Music Lounge : Prog is best defined as... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84737&PID=4426759#4426759 Author: Progosopher
Subject: Prog is best defined as...
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:50

I am lazy about the definition of Prog, so I just resort to the descriptions and explanations for it provided by the site admins.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:50:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84737&PID=4426759#4426759 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Recommendation fellas! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84462&PID=4426758#4426758 Author: progprogprog
Subject: Recommendation fellas!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:50

Very valuable informations Toddler, I appreciate it.Beer

Edited by progprogprog - Today at 13:50]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:50:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84462&PID=4426758#4426758 Prog Tribute Bands and Prog Radio : Matthew Parmenter Of Discipline Joins Us, New PolC http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84751&PID=4426757#4426757 Author: gagliarchives
Subject: Matthew Parmenter Of Discipline Joins Us, New PolC
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:49

Join the gagliarchives, at 10PM Eastern Time Saturday night 01/21/12, for program 1251 as we feature and exclusive interview with composer/vocalist Matthew Parmenter of Discipline as he joins us to talk about the powerful new release To Shatter All Accord. We'll also premiere the new collaborative project featuring Ohm/Megadeath guitarist Chris Poland and Sax giant Frank Catalano called PolCat. This sneak-peak will be sure to please jazz fans! We'll also feature the disc from Finnish project Qumma Connection and the Arabesque release along with the latest from Phil Manzanera as he celebrates a birthday titled Corroncho...and up in our 4th Hour Space Out we'll feature the new album from Italian band Outopsya and the Fake CD. Lots of surprises as always... and we'll also track our #1 CD in the weekly top 20 for the 10th straight week in Discipline's To Shatter All Accord.

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]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:49:23 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84751&PID=4426757#4426757 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Allergic to neo-prog! :O http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426755#4426755 Author: Frederik
Subject: Allergic to neo-prog! :O
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:48

Originally posted by Warthur

Stuff!


Thanks for the suggestions! Although I'm not only interested in music similar to Marillion, vocal or intrumental wise :D  I guess for now Marillion will be enough, when I'm done with them I'll go looking for the Marillion copycats eheh

I really thought Anglagard was older... oh well, It's an okay album ^_^ Giving it a couple more spins someday

EDIT: Thoughts about Dream Theater: Guitar sounds a lot like the general mainstream metal guitar does, and it gets boring after a while. Also the drummer wants all the attention to himself :DDD


Edited by Frederik - Today at 13:53]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:48:34 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426755#4426755 Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation : Flower Kings Appreciation Thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426754#4426754 Author: darkshade
Subject: Flower Kings Appreciation Thread
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:48

Having collected all of them except for Retropolis, it's hard to say. Ive been enjoying The Flower King and Back In The World Of Adventures the most as of recently (I guess I should get Retropolis ASAP).

Unfold the Future has always been my favorite, but I haven't listened to it in a while. Flower Power is pretty ridiculous, and I really like TSONE, aw geez, they're all good.

The Rainmaker has been my least favorite so far, but I'm still digesting most of their discography as I got 4 TFK albums back in December.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:48:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426754#4426754 Prog Polls : A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426753#4426753 Author: Progosopher
Subject: A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:47

Atom Heart Mother for me, particularly for the title piece, but I still see the album as a beta version of Meddle.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:47:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426753#4426753 Prog Polls : The Power And The Glory vs Free Hand http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84718&PID=4426751#4426751 Author: presdoug
Subject: The Power And The Glory vs Free Hand
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:46

difficult choice, as l love both albums immensely, but i choose Freehand, as i feel it is really the very best GG album ever]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:46:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84718&PID=4426751#4426751 Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation : Flower Kings Appreciation Thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426750#4426750 Author: The Quiet One
Subject: Flower Kings Appreciation Thread
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:46

^that's very interesting, I think you're the first guy I know that says that Rainmaker is his favourite.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:46:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426750#4426750 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426749#4426749 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:45

I wish the dentists would see that, they do not repect my profession at all. Im off to the pub. It was nice talking to the both of you. Cya]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:45:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426749#4426749 Prog Polls : Octapoll! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426748#4426748 Author: Progosopher
Subject: Octapoll!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:44

Lots of good Octo albums suggested by other commentators.  On the list actually provided, though, I definitely go with Octavarium, which is probably my favorite Dream Theater album.  Octahedron is merely an okay album for me.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:44:52 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426748#4426748 Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation : The Marillion Round Table http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59855&PID=4426746#4426746 Author: Warthur
Subject: The Marillion Round Table
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:43

Hey Dellinger,

If you really like Fish-era Marillion I can heartily recommend the Early Stages boxed set of live shows, which I personally think contains better performances of the most significant bonus tracks from Script (the Market Square Heroes single, comprising Market Square Heroes, Grendel and Three Boats Down from the Candy). Or if you don't want to splurge on that set you could go for Recital of the Script, which is a 2CD set of a Script-era live performance, but then again Early Stages is incredibly reasonably priced these days for the amount of material you get with it.

I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts on Clutching At Straws, I think it's one of the best things they've ever done.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:43:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59855&PID=4426746#4426746 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426745#4426745 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:43

Well it's nice that you have a steady job. In any case, I think any type of position in dentistry is interesting. Thumbs Up]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:43:08 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426745#4426745 Prog Polls : Ross or James? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84724&PID=4426743#4426743 Author: Tapfret
Subject: Ross or James?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:41

]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:41:45 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84724&PID=4426743#4426743 Unsigned Bands : Infusion Kamachui - Fusion Rock band of Argentina http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84750&PID=4426742#4426742 Author: Estebanlgg
Subject: Infusion Kamachui - Fusion Rock band of Argentina
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:41

Hi everybody! I`m Esteban Lagger the guitar player of the Infusion Kamachui group. I`m from Santa Fe, Argentina!

Infusion Kamachui INFO:

Fusion Rock band, born in 2005, in the city of Santa Fe Argentina. The group led by Pablo Ferreira (singer), Esteban Lagger (guitar - backing vocals), Iván Wolkovicz (bass) and Luciano Dato (drums) succeeded in getting their own and legitimate composition.  Without loosing the power of rock, the band make their own trip around different genres, allowing the free expression to flow through.
Their first EP called “Don Gregorio Sessions”, was released in 2008. Shortly after, the band was awarded with a ‘Pocket Award’ for the best upcoming band.
Giving many performances in different cities, the band kept busy during most of 2008 and throughout 2009.
Since the beginning of 2010, the band has devoted their time to write their new concept-based piece of music, called "Equinoccio",  a biparted album. The experiment increases its density and smooth out the previous concept of genres mixing. A new voyage is offered, revolving around themes such as self-opression and psicological states of the nowadays man, passing by the loss, the deprivation and the rescue.
The first part, ”Equinoccio I”, was released in the middle of 2011.


"Equinoccio I"  is available in Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Equinoccio-Uno-Infusi%C3%B3n-Kamachu%C3%AD/dp/B0074B7QRI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1328204529&sr=8-9)

Listen the first track of the album "AL Caer" (http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_7964786)


Hasta luego muchachos!


www.infusionkamachui.com.ar
Twitter / Ikamachui
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:41:39 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84750&PID=4426742#4426742 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426741#4426741 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:41

Its good for me, I was usless at crowns in university, more dentures keeps me in a job but I do think its is wrong.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:41:31 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426741#4426741 Top 10s and lists : Never less than brilliant http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84728&PID=4426740#4426740 Author: presdoug
Subject: Never less than brilliant
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:40

Triumvirat-Mediterranean Tales, Illusions On A Double Dimple and Spartacus
Quatermass-Quatermass
Eloy-Inside
Pell Mell-Marburg
Libra-Libra
Nektar-A Tab In The Ocean
Passport-Looking Thru
Dedalus-Dedalus
Il Baricentro-Sconcerto

must be others-these are what come to mind first
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:40:21 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84728&PID=4426740#4426740 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426739#4426739 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:40

Oh my, that sounds much more unpleasant. I'd much rather have a crown than have my teeth removed.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:40:18 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426739#4426739 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Allergic to neo-prog! :O http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426738#4426738 Author: Warthur
Subject: Allergic to neo-prog! :O
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:40

Well, if you like Fish's vocals I can recommend the other Fish-era Marillion studio albums - Clutching At Straws, in particular, I think is absolutely wonderful and possibly the equal of Script - and if you're really keen on his delivery then you're spoilt for choice when it comes to live albums from his tenure in Marillion. (You can get the Early Stages boxed set - 6CDs featuring five classic concerts - for a very reasonable price these days, and I think that's the best showcase for Fish's skills as a frontman.)

You could also try exploring Fish's solo material, though I personally don't think that got interesting until Sunsets On Empire and subsequent releases. (His latest, 13th Star, has been getting an awful lot of praise so that might be a good one to dip into.)

As far as neo-prog bands with that sort of emotive, dramatic vocal delivery go, that's a tough one. There are an awful, awful not of neo-prog groups who try to recapture the sound of Fish-era Marillion right down to the vocals, but so many people come up short.

So, recommendations:

- Any album by IQ with Peter Nicholls on lead vocals might be of interest to you - The Wake and Ever are particularly good places to start. Nicholls does not sound much like Fish, but like Fish he really gets emotionally into the songs he sings and gives it his all.

- Discipline from the US have an absolutely fantastic vocalist in the form of Matthew Parmenter, who's also put out a couple of well-received solo albums with the members of Discipline backing him. Unfolded Like Staircase is a good choice when it comes to Discipline, though I hear good things about their latest album... then again, pretty much any album by Discipline or Matthew Parmenter is a safe choice because they are a very, very consistently good band. Parmenter, again, doesn't sound much like Fish but as far as emotive singers with a theatrical edge to them go there's few better.

- Credo's lead vocalist sings in a style which is very much inspired by Fish, and manages to pull it off very credibly. Rhetoric is the best album of theirs I have heard, they've also got a newer one out which I haven't heard but which has had a decent reception.

- Steve Hogarth's tenure as singer in Marillion - which began after Clutching At Straws and continues to this day - is a love-it-or-hate-it sort of deal. Some people who enjoy the Fish era can't stand him, some are very happy with him. The big thing there is that whilst both of them are very emotive singers, they have very different ways of going about it - Fish's style I like to characterise as being expansive and performative, like he were an actor on stage baring his heart for the audience, whilst Hogarth is more intimate and personal, like he were taking you aside to confess a secret to you. If that sounds like the sort of thing you'd be interested in then Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles are probably your best picks there.

Re: Anglagard: Hybris is from 1992 so it's a bit old, but only half as old as Foxtrot or Close to the Edge. :)
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:40:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426738#4426738 General Music Discussions : Vaiping http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84729&PID=4426737#4426737 Author: aginor
Subject: Vaiping
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:38

i know 3 of them and i have been at their practise space many times, and seeing them jam and work out songs, nice dudes, with great lvie shows and are funny people with nice humour]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:38:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84729&PID=4426737#4426737 Suggest New Bands and Artists : Negev http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84731&PID=4426734#4426734 Author: Rivertree
Subject: Negev
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:37

eh ... not sure about this ... nice melancholic flow  ... has some proggy substance indeed
btw. project name is Negev - please change the thread title
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:37:26 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84731&PID=4426734#4426734 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426733#4426733 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:36

@Snow dog, good call although I prefare Hemispheres.

@colorformoney, im sorry to hear that, but think positivly your in the US, here in the uk the dentists are encoraged to remove the teeth and make a denture in alot of cases, what ever is the cheapest for them...........]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:36:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426733#4426733 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426732#4426732 Author: Epignosis
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:34

Originally posted by Gamemako

Originally posted by Epignosis

No one is whining but you.  The discussion was regarding a federal income tax, not a state income tax.  Not all states have income tax, so my point stands.


You said they "pay no taxes at all". I pointed out how horrendously misleading that is.


Consider the context.  I was clearly talking about federal taxes since I mentioned the IRS.


Originally posted by Gamemako


Originally posted by Epignosis

Are you going to demonstrate (with evidence) how fiscal conservatives undo whatever well-meaning liberals enact, or lean on your smug political biases?


Look at your poverty chart. Every Republican era has ended with higher poverty than they started with until you hit Richard Nixon, who you could argue was still running on the gains from LBJ.

This is really cute.  LOL

"Every Republican era ended badly, but not Nixon, because he was just enjoying the effects of the previous administration!"  Wow.  Nice try.  LOL

Originally posted by Gamemako


Originally posted by Epignosis


I sure have.  And no one has bothered to respond to it.  Ignore my posts if you wish- that's fine.  But don't say I didn't "demonstrate anything remotely related to any of that."


That is in another thread, and no, I haven't read it. In this thread, you haven't demonstrated anything to that extent at all. I will handle that later.


Would it serve your highness if I copied and pasted it from there to here?  Stern Smile
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:34:21 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426732#4426732 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426731#4426731 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:32

I've done my crown research and seen a few "how to" videos, but I'm mostly a pansy who is terrified of the satanic dentist's drill. The banshee screams that come out of that device make my soul cower in fear.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:32:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426731#4426731 Prog Music Lounge : Story of your first prog album http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84134&PID=4426730#4426730 Author: Theremin
Subject: Story of your first prog album
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:32

My first introduction was triad radio: http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/triad.html The first album that really got me on board was Hawkwind.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:32:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84134&PID=4426730#4426730 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426728#4426728 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:29

Probably A Farewell To Kings. But all from that period are very good.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:29:54 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426728#4426728 Top 10s and lists : Never less than brilliant http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84728&PID=4426727#4426727 Author: Tapfret
Subject: Never less than brilliant
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:29

There are a lot of them. All brilliant for different reasons

Neblenest - Nova Express
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero
Voivod - Nothingface
Bondage Fruit II
Surman/Krog/Rypdal/Storass - Nordic Quartet
Exivious
Michael Hedges - Aerial Boundaries



...I could go on and on. It would be easier to name the bands that seemed brilliant at first and lost their luster quickly.



]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:29:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84728&PID=4426727#4426727 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426726#4426726 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:29

Im currently on a break from Rush, I over did them for 6 months. What is your favourite Rush album?]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:29:00 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426726#4426726 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426724#4426724 Author: Epignosis
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:28

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Epignosis

But not all voters earn income, either, and the way the IRS has things set up in the US, many wage-earners don't pay taxes at all.
So I gather - and I think that is a consequece of suffrage and taxation too - and again, there are too many factors involved to give a precise explanation (in as much as any precision in economics is a notional concept rather than an actual reality). Economics are not governed by linear x+y=z equations or straight-forward causality - removing (or reforming) one taxation system without addressing some of the higher order factors merely moves the problem around... and over the past 150 years that is all taxation reform has ever done - moved the burden of taxation from one group to another.
 
All wage earners pay tax - either direct or indirect, and they claim benefits, exemptions, allowances or deductibles dependant upon their personal circumstances - when you say that many wage-earners don't pay tax, you mean that their tax credits equals or exceeds their tax payable (I'm no expert on USA taxation, but I believe every earner pays FICA regardless just as every earner in the UK pays NI regardless, just as all pay consumption tax in one form or another).
 
I recall that in these discussions a number like 40% was quoted as the number of earners who don't pay tax in the USA - this to me, as a Brit, sounds somewhat excessive, but since I don't live in the USA I cannot judge. 100 years ago 1% of the population paid tax, now it's 60% (or 100% if you consider all the indirect taxation).


That's what quite a bit of fuss around here is about: Moving the tax burden around.  There is a good deal of talk about people "paying their fair share," but the issue is always who gets to decide what "fair" means.  There are proponents of a flat tax, in which everyone pays the same rate.  There is also what is actually called the fair tax proposal, which would replace income taxes with a national consumption tax.

You're correct about credits being greater than or equal to taxes owed.  And we actually have some policies in place that enable certain wage earners to get a "refund" exceeding what they had withheld from their paychecks. 

Every wage earner pays into FICA- its a separate fund, although our Congress has borrowed heavily from it.  In 2005, George W. Bush said, "A lot of people in America think there is a trust- that we take your money in payroll taxes and then we hold it for you and then when you retire, we give it back to you.  But that’s not the way it works.  There is no trust fund- just IOUs that I saw firsthand."  So what has happened?  Social security had to cash in $45 billion of the bonds issued by our government, but because we're running an extreme deficit, we've had to borrow that money from China.  Wacko

Interestingly, Democrat Nancy Pelosi said that privatizing Social Security would saddle us with $5 trillion more in debt.  Well, social security was not privatized, but what happened anyway?  Under the Obama administration, we've seen our national debt swell by about six trillion, not five.


Edited by Epignosis - Today at 13:47]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:28:18 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426724#4426724 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426723#4426723 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:28

Yes. Rush fan amongst many other things.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:28:11 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426723#4426723 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : The Best Prog Album Sequels http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84667&PID=4426722#4426722 Author: Warthur
Subject: The Best Prog Album Sequels
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:27

The only real connection between The Final Cut and The Wall was that some songs which didn't make the cut for The Wall ended up making it onto The Final Cut after some polishing.

Which is absolutely common practice in a whole swathe of different bands, and indeed in Floyd's own history - I seem to recall that some of the material on Animals was first worked on during the Wish You Were Here era.

There are a few thematic connections, and there's the vague implication that the traumatised teacher in The Final Cut is the very same teacher from The Wall, but at most they're two separate stories which draw on the same ideas.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:27:27 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84667&PID=4426722#4426722 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426719#4426719 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:25

@colorofmoney91 if you have any questions about them i dont mind answering.

@Snowdog (rush ran?) I was just discovering music and I had heard the band name, my dads friend asked if I wanted to borrow any of his albums so i was looking though, I saw Wish you were here and borrowed it. I went to bed early with my walkman and listened to it. It was like nothing I had ever heard before. The thing that stuck out the most was the intro to Welcome to the machine, the alternating bass notes mixed with the effects in each ear..... it just sparked off a musical journey of discovery. It doesnt matter which way I progress too (metal, blues, jazz classica ) I always come back to the Floyd,
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:25:38 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426719#4426719 Suggest New Bands and Artists : Naked http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84732&PID=4426718#4426718 Author: Rivertree
Subject: Naked
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:22

Cool
excellent band with great variety - fusion/funk/nu jazz and folklore blend, some experimental approach - overall I have doubts though to assign a clear prog tag]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:22:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84732&PID=4426718#4426718 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426715#4426715 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:20

How did you discover Pink Floyd?]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:20:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426715#4426715 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426714#4426714 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:20

I'll be getting a couple of dental crowns soon. I'm very not excited.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:20:10 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426714#4426714 Prog Polls : A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426713#4426713 Author: jonjim1952
Subject: A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:18

Atom Heart Mother was my first PF album, thus my first love.  ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:18:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426713#4426713 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426712#4426712 Author: Gamemako
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:18

Originally posted by Epignosis

No one is whining but you.  The discussion was regarding a federal income tax, not a state income tax.  Not all states have income tax, so my point stands.


You said they "pay no taxes at all". I pointed out how horrendously misleading that is.

Originally posted by Epignosis

Are you going to demonstrate (with evidence) how fiscal conservatives undo whatever well-meaning liberals enact, or lean on your smug political biases?


Look at your poverty chart. Every Republican era has ended with higher poverty than they started with until you hit Richard Nixon, who you could argue was still running on the gains from LBJ.

Originally posted by Epignosis


I sure have.  And no one has bothered to respond to it.  Ignore my posts if you wish- that's fine.  But don't say I didn't "demonstrate anything remotely related to any of that."


That is in another thread, and no, I haven't read it. In this thread, you haven't demonstrated anything to that extent at all. I will handle that later.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:18:35 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426712#4426712 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426711#4426711 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:15

I was just joking, sorry im in a weird mood and my sense of humour is all over the place.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:15:55 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426711#4426711 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426710#4426710 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:14

^Yeah. I know what dentures are. I don't have any though.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:14:55 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426710#4426710 Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation : Flower Kings Appreciation Thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426708#4426708 Author: zumacraig
Subject: Flower Kings Appreciation Thread
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:12

these are all great names.  i bet it's something classic, maybe referring to previous work and looking forward.

btw-what's everyone's all time favorite FK album?  mine is Rainmaker.  i don't know why, it just clicks for me.  i love the instrumentals.  also, last minute on earth is probably my favorite FK song.  oh, and there are lots of actual keyboard solos...serious dreamers etc.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:12:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426708#4426708 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426707#4426707 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:10

Dentures are False teeth made out of Acrylic Resin (plastic). Maybe I should develop a nieche for denture wearing Prog fans. A few logo's and stars? ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:10:37 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426707#4426707 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426706#4426706 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:08

Originally posted by Harris361

is it though? its not the most fun job.

Sorry I changed my post.LOL

OK Not interesting. Got it!Wink
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:08:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426706#4426706 General Music Discussions : Animals and nature in music http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75668&PID=4426705#4426705 Author: zappaholic
Subject: Animals and nature in music
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:07

[WARNING: NOT PROG.]  The Presidents Of the United States Of America did a lot of songs about animals, but this one's especially fun because it's about a band of chickens, worms and monkeys.....

[TUBE]d_aAitxwrjo[/TUBE]




]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:07:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75668&PID=4426705#4426705 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426704#4426704 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:07

is it though? its not the most fun job.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:07:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426704#4426704 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426703#4426703 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:06

Dentures. Is that the tooth?

Edited by Snow Dog - Today at 13:07]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:06:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426703#4426703 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Allergic to neo-prog! :O http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426702#4426702 Author: Frederik
Subject: Allergic to neo-prog! :O
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:04

Originally posted by Warthur

Frederik, what is it that you like about Script for a Jester's Tear which you couldn't hear in Pendragon's music, or the other albums you've cited? Is it the atmosphere, Fish's vocal delivery, the guitar work, the keyboards? A better idea of what you are looking for might help us narrow down the recommendations a little. Might be an idea to check out the Script for a Jester's Tear review page in the database to see if any of the reviews jump out at you as chiming with your own experience of it.


I did quite enjoy the vocal delivery now that you mention it! :D  I can't quite put my finger on it, it just sounds more authentic... I'm open to any recommendations though, I'll definitely go read the reviews more attentively!


Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

I think you're confusing Neo-prog with "modern prog" in general.  Neo-Prog is a specific subgenre, while modern prog encompasses all sorts of different styles.  I would encourage you to continue to foray into more modern manifestations of progressive rock, though.  Don't give up on bands you don't like at first listen, because their music can grow on you and you can gradually learn to appreciate it.  Also, check out Iona (symphonic prog folk) and other modern bands that aren't as dark as groups like Tool or PT.  Even though you said you weren't a big metal fan, I'd also encourage you to give Haken a listen.  Their music is metal but more strongly rooted in prog, with influence from Rush, Yes, and Dream Theater (you've probably heard them before).

I agree with you, especially the part about not giing up at the first listen! Many of my favorite songs, I hated on the first listen, because I wasn't mature enough to aprecciate them. Although there was always something that led me back to them until I eventually loved them (prime example: Gates Of Delirium, which I dismissed as an inferior Close To The Edge... BIG MISTAKE :D)


Some more notes: I've listened to Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun. its slowly growing on me but I can definitely say it's an interesting album. Also listened to Hybris - Anglagard, but this is an old one isn't it?

Also, I dislike Radiohead immensely :D one of my least favorite bands actually, find them very very overrated and dull





EDIT: Listened to Haken's song 'Aquarium' and I must say I'm very pleasantly surprised... it didn't include any sort of growling which is a plus in my book and it was an interesting listen! I'll definitely acquire the album ;D  Listening to 'Visions' at the moment, 7 minutes in, I'm liking the jazzy elements they throw in but let's see if it can hold its ground for another 15 minutes. This song is confuuuusing  :)
Ok, 16 minutes in, gets a bit silly (sorta like Gentle Giant, but a bit heavier), but It's not too bad.
Wow, good finale... this sounded like an epic with a bit of Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf and King Crimson! Very original, thanks for suggesting this to me!
Can anyone tell me if there's growling in any of their songs?


Edited by Frederik - Today at 13:50]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:04:49 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426702#4426702 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426701#4426701 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:04

Suppose I coud say abit about my self, im 23, I make dentures for a living and my favourite band is a little know band called Pink Floyd.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:04:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426701#4426701 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426700#4426700 Author: Dean
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:57

Originally posted by Epignosis

But not all voters earn income, either, and the way the IRS has things set up in the US, many wage-earners don't pay taxes at all.
So I gather - and I think that is a consequece of suffrage and taxation too - and again, there are too many factors involved to give a precise explanation (in as much as any precision in economics is a notional concept rather than an actual reality). Economics are not governed by linear x+y=z equations or straight-forward causality - removing (or reforming) one taxation system without addressing some of the higher order factors merely moves the problem around... and over the past 150 years that is all taxation reform has ever done - moved the burden of taxation from one group to another.
 
All wage earners pay tax - either direct or indirect, and they claim benefits, exemptions, allowances or deductibles dependant upon their personal circumstances - when you say that many wage-earners don't pay tax, you mean that their tax credits equals or exceeds their tax payable (I'm no expert on USA taxation, but I believe every earner pays FICA regardless just as every earner in the UK pays NI regardless, just as all pay consumption tax in one form or another).
 
I recall that in these discussions a number like 40% was quoted as the number of earners who don't pay tax in the USA - this to me, as a Brit, sounds somewhat excessive, but since I don't live in the USA I cannot judge. 100 years ago 1% of the population paid tax, now it's 60% (or 100% if you consider all the indirect taxation).
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:57:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426700#4426700 Prog Polls : Meddle vs Animals http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426698#4426698 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Meddle vs Animals
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:56

These are the only two Pink Floyd albums that I've actually enjoyed, and choosing between them isn't possible for me.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:56:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426698#4426698 Prog Polls : Octapoll! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426697#4426697 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Octapoll!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:55

Octahedron is my jam.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:55:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426697#4426697 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426696#4426696 Author: Epignosis
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:54

The Anabasis Back From Being Gone album cover]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:54:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426696#4426696 General discussions : What are you watching on TV right now? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70772&PID=4426695#4426695 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: What are you watching on TV right now?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:51

^And that is the final score. Scotland had their chances. They should have won. ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:51:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70772&PID=4426695#4426695 Prog Polls : Meddle vs Animals http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426693#4426693 Author: Finnforest
Subject: Meddle vs Animals
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:51

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by Finnforest

Meddle. 

The more time goes by, the less Animals resonates with me.  Probably my least played Floyd album these days.  

Animals is very much of it's time I think. Meddle however is timeless...ethereal.


Yeah, good observation Snowman.  I don't mind anger and darkness in my music, but there's something missing with Animals.  Even the Wall still thrills me despite the criticisms so many have of it.  I'll just chalk it up to changing tastes I suppose. 
 
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:51:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426693#4426693 Prog Music Lounge : Prog is best defined as... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84737&PID=4426691#4426691 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Prog is best defined as...
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:51

Prog is like doing 1,000 push-ups every day but remaining morbidly obese regardless.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:51:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84737&PID=4426691#4426691 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Allergic to neo-prog! :O http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426689#4426689 Author: Warthur
Subject: Allergic to neo-prog! :O
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:50

Frederik, what is it that you like about Script for a Jester's Tear which you couldn't hear in Pendragon's music, or the other albums you've cited? Is it the atmosphere, Fish's vocal delivery, the guitar work, the keyboards? A better idea of what you are looking for might help us narrow down the recommendations a little. Might be an idea to check out the Script for a Jester's Tear review page in the database to see if any of the reviews jump out at you as chiming with your own experience of it.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:50:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84713&PID=4426689#4426689 Prog Polls : Ross or James? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84724&PID=4426688#4426688 Author: akaBona
Subject: Ross or James?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:49

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks

I actually do like James Labrie's voice to a certain extent, but Ross Jenning's voice is (in my opinion) Thumbs Down.

this!
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:49:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84724&PID=4426688#4426688 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426687#4426687 Author: infocat
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:49



Just added to PA.  My first album add!  Smile
Nice stuff.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:49:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426687#4426687 Prog Polls : A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426686#4426686 Author: Guldbamsen
Subject: A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:48

Marmalade I like marmalade...]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:48:48 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426686#4426686 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426685#4426685 Author: rushfan4
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:48

Disconnect Obscuros album cover]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:48:34 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426685#4426685 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426684#4426684 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:48

Duuuuuude, music is awesome. Welcome!]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:48:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426684#4426684 Prog News, Press Releases : no-man update http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84747&PID=4426683#4426683 Author: fandrews
Subject: no-man update
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:48

No-man update on new live recording.
http://www.no-man.co.uk/loveandendings/eng_BCK.html
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:48:10 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84747&PID=4426683#4426683 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426682#4426682 Author: Epignosis
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:48

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

People didn't get by, that's why the programs were started in the first place.  Historical amnesia is a beautiful thing.


http://rlv.zcache.com/citation_needed_bumper_sticker-p128912061722662976trl0_400.jpg
I would but you'd just forget it. Tongue

And as usual, you didn't address my point: Even if people didn't "get by" then (whatever that means), people aren't "getting by" now.  Government-run programs have not improved the financial state of society, and as I've shown multiple times, have actually made the situation worse.

Eh, you missed my bigger picture point is that people at the bottom of the economic ladder would be worse off without them.  Food stamps vs. starvation for instance.  I suppose people would be better off starving as that would give them incentive to get off their lazy asses and go after the jobs that don't exist or go after jobs that don't pay enough so they can't pay for living expenses.  If they'd only give up their TVs, indoor plumbing, refrigerators, then they could get by.




Slart, have you ever heard me accuse people on welfare of being lazy or not looking for work?  Don't paint me with your broad, conservative-hating brush.  It's just like you to ignore what I actually said and criticize something I didn't.

Government involvement makes our aggregate financial situation worse, not better, even if they help people short term.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:48:09 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426682#4426682 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426680#4426680 Author: frippism
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:46


Great great great as always.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:46:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426680#4426680 Prog Gigs, Tours and Festivals : Menel/Orford (IQ) to support Pendragon (NL/UK) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84685&PID=4426679#4426679 Author: Moogtron III
Subject: Menel/Orford (IQ) to support Pendragon (NL/UK)
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:45

Great news! (If everything will go on as planned Unhappy )

Edited by Moogtron III - Today at 12:46]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:45:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84685&PID=4426679#4426679 Top 10s and lists : Most popular track on prog archives 1974 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84709&PID=4426678#4426678 Author: Moogtron III
Subject: Most popular track on prog archives 1974
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:44

Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom - Little Red Riding Hood Hit The Road
Focus - Hamburger Concerto - La Cathedrale de Strasbourg
Kayak - Kayak II - They Get To Know Me

]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:44:02 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84709&PID=4426678#4426678 General discussions : What are you watching on TV right now? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70772&PID=4426677#4426677 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: What are you watching on TV right now?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:43

Six nations Rugby

Scotland v England (6-13 at present)

BBC 1
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:43:31 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70772&PID=4426677#4426677 Prog Polls : Meddle vs Animals http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426674#4426674 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Meddle vs Animals
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:41

Originally posted by Finnforest

Meddle. 

The more time goes by, the less Animals resonates with me.  Probably my least played Floyd album these days.  

Animals is very much of it's time I think. Meddle however is timeless...ethereal.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:41:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426674#4426674 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426673#4426673 Author: Epignosis
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:41

Originally posted by Gamemako


You mean they don't pay federal income tax. In reality, those who pay no federal income tax typically pay some percentage in state income tax as well as FICA (a regressive tax) and then sales taxes (more regressive taxation that will cover nearly all purchases made by the poor). When you whine about people who pay "no taxes", they're actually paying taxes closer to 10-12%, and that's when they own nothing else that can be taxed.


No one is whining but you.  The discussion was regarding a federal income tax, not a state income tax.  Not all states have income tax, so my point stands.

Originally posted by Gamemako



I'm not sure what you're trying to demonstrate there. Maybe that any gains are undone by fiscal conservatives?


Are you going to demonstrate (with evidence) how fiscal conservatives undo whatever well-meaning liberals enact, or lean on your smug political biases?
Originally posted by Gamemako


Originally posted by Epignosis

It's time to realize that this system our nation has been crafting over the past century is a failure: It creates artificial demand, it causes inflation, and it doesn't help the aggregation US population in the long run.


Yeah, except you still haven't demonstrated anything remotely related to any of that. There are certainly screw-ups (housing, corn), but they are not related to the core issues you're complaining about.

I sure have.  And no one has bothered to respond to it.  Ignore my posts if you wish- that's fine.  But don't say I didn't "demonstrate anything remotely related to any of that."


Edited by Epignosis - Today at 12:42]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:41:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426673#4426673 Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation : Flower Kings Appreciation Thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426672#4426672 Author: darkshade
Subject: Flower Kings Appreciation Thread
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:40

Originally posted by Nov

Originally posted by zumacraig

 
so, let's play a game...what's the title going to be?

THE RETURN OF THE KINGS

Wink


And is a triple-album concept album based on LOTR (yet has double meaning)
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:40:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4426672#4426672 Prog Polls : A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426671#4426671 Author: akaBona
Subject: A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:40

Atom Heart Mother, just awesome album. Saucerful, well, I don't own it, I don't even remember the music ...]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:40:40 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426671#4426671 Prog Polls : ELP Vs King Crimson http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84419&PID=4426670#4426670 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: ELP Vs King Crimson
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:39

Originally posted by geneyesontle

Originally posted by FunkyHomoSapien

ELP; love crimsons 1st but nothing else
 
Crimson was better because they never made an atrocius album.

What about Beat or Thrak? Besides it is his choice waht he prefers.LOL
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:39:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84419&PID=4426670#4426670 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426669#4426669 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:38

Franco Leprino - Integrati... Disintegrati
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:38:47 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426669#4426669 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426668#4426668 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:38

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

People didn't get by, that's why the programs were started in the first place.  Historical amnesia is a beautiful thing.


http://rlv.zcache.com/citation_needed_bumper_sticker-p128912061722662976trl0_400.jpg
I would but you'd just forget it. Tongue

And as usual, you didn't address my point: Even if people didn't "get by" then (whatever that means), people aren't "getting by" now.  Government-run programs have not improved the financial state of society, and as I've shown multiple times, have actually made the situation worse.

Eh, you missed my bigger picture point is that people at the bottom of the economic ladder would be worse off without them.  Food stamps vs. starvation for instance.  I suppose people would be better off starving as that would give them incentive to get off their lazy asses and go after the jobs that don't exist or go after jobs that don't pay enough so they can't pay for living expenses.  If they'd only give up their TVs, indoor plumbing, refrigerators, then they could get by.

Anyway, something grimmer:
Afghan Civilian Deaths Hit Record High in 2011, UN Report Says


Edited by Slartibartfast - Today at 12:41]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:38:32 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426668#4426668 Prog Polls : Meddle vs Animals http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426667#4426667 Author: Finnforest
Subject: Meddle vs Animals
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:37

Meddle. 

The more time goes by, the less Animals resonates with me.  Probably my least played Floyd album these days.  ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:37:29 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84719&PID=4426667#4426667 Prog Polls : ELP Vs King Crimson http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84419&PID=4426666#4426666 Author: colorofmoney91
Subject: ELP Vs King Crimson
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:37

KC]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:37:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84419&PID=4426666#4426666 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426665#4426665 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:37

what more needs to be said? Welcome to PA!]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:37:16 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426665#4426665 Live Performance Reviews : Symphony X - Sayerville, NJ 2/3/2012 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84723&PID=4426664#4426664 Author: darkshade
Subject: Symphony X - Sayerville, NJ 2/3/2012
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:36

I didn't even know this show was going on. Was this at Starland Ballroom? I live 10 minutes away from there.

I saw Iced Earth there back in 2004 (Trivium opened for them, and they were booed most of their set, mostly because the lead singer/guitarist was a dick). They put on a good show. If you like Symphony X, you'd probably like Iced Earth, they're the closest to prog metal you can get without actually being that IMO.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:36:08 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84723&PID=4426664#4426664 Prog Polls : Hogarth Era Marillion Fans, Where do I go next? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84741&PID=4426663#4426663 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Hogarth Era Marillion Fans, Where do I go next?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:36

I don't know. I find Season's End deathly dull.Disapprove]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:36:06 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84741&PID=4426663#4426663 Prog Gigs, Tours and Festivals : Pain of Salvation-UK,EU,Scand. Tour February/March http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84710&PID=4426661#4426661 Author: sleeper
Subject: Pain of Salvation-UK,EU,Scand. Tour February/March
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:35

^I also mentioned how jelous I am that you get a far better opening act.LOL]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:35:28 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84710&PID=4426661#4426661 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426660#4426660 Author: infocat
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:33

Originally posted by The Truth



Spiderland - Slint

First listen, hope it's good.


It is!
Love the "talky" vocals.
Smile
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:33:44 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426660#4426660 General Music Discussions : What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426659#4426659 Author: SaltyJon
Subject: What Are You Listening To Right...Now?! Febus MK 9
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:33

]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:33:07 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84407&PID=4426659#4426659 Prog Polls : Hogarth Era Marillion Fans, Where do I go next? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84741&PID=4426658#4426658 Author: sleeper
Subject: Hogarth Era Marillion Fans, Where do I go next?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:32

Afraid of Sunlight and Season's End are two very good albums, can't go wrong there.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:32:30 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84741&PID=4426658#4426658 General Music Discussions : Disintegration - I Don't Get It http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84687&PID=4426656#4426656 Author: infocat
Subject: Disintegration - I Don't Get It
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:30

Don't know what will be gained by my posting this, but I love Disintegration!]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:30:46 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84687&PID=4426656#4426656 Prog Polls : Octapoll! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426655#4426655 Author: sleeper
Subject: Octapoll!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:29

Octahedron by far, I really dont like Octavarium.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:29:52 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426655#4426655 General discussions : Dreams with Prog Rockers in them http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84720&PID=4426652#4426652 Author: Catcher10
Subject: Dreams with Prog Rockers in them
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:29

I once had a dream that I thought the Beatles were prog and not pop music and I owned all their albums....on vinyl and CD.

I have never liked having nightmares.....thank goodness my wife was there to comfort me.

LOL
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:29:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84720&PID=4426652#4426652 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426651#4426651 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:28

Originally posted by Epignosis



But not all voters earn income, either, and the way the IRS has things set up in the US, many wage-earners don't pay taxes at all.


Only if you count people who are off the books and/or discount sales taxes, social security taxes, etc.


Edited by Slartibartfast - Today at 12:30]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:28:53 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426651#4426651 General discussions : News of the day http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426649#4426649 Author: Gamemako
Subject: News of the day
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:27

Originally posted by Epignosis

Government-run services don't elevate people in general to a better financial status.  We've had higher and higher minimum wages over the years, and people are still poor.  We've had Medicaid, Medicare, social security, food stamps, WIC, and a number of other programs, and people are still poor.


Minimum wage is below the poverty line. Whether it is effectual is moot; it inherently cannot affect the poverty rate. Social Security is the same way.

Originally posted by Epignosis

You can be free and poor.  Someone who gets paid under the table but has a gambling addiction is plenty free and shouldn't get my money.


Just World Hypothesis. Blame the victim because in a just world, he deserved it. Welcome back to reality, where being born poor means that you will never approach your potential (the damage begins before birth and continues through the lifespan). Even barring that, you do not have the resources to escape your situation. You are born into a de facto caste. That is the reality we face.

Originally posted by Epignosis

The typical argument is that these programs help needy Americans temporarily until they can fully provide for themselves again.  This sounds good, but should we pat ourselves on the back that more and more people are on government assistance and cannot find work?


You're looking at the midst of the worst economic situation since the depression. That is the definition of sampling bias.

Originally posted by Epignosis

In fifty years, the poverty level is basically right back where it was:


I'm not sure what you're trying to demonstrate there. Maybe that any gains are undone by fiscal conservatives?

Originally posted by Epignosis

It's time to realize that this system our nation has been crafting over the past century is a failure: It creates artificial demand, it causes inflation, and it doesn't help the aggregation US population in the long run.


Yeah, except you still haven't demonstrated anything remotely related to any of that. There are certainly screw-ups (housing, corn), but they are not related to the core issues you're complaining about.

Originally posted by Epignosis

Again, this discussion of what the tax should be can only exist in the context of what the role of government is.  Our income tax is only 99 years old.  What ever did we do to get by before then?  Were people more prosperous in 1912 or 2012?


Well, we were certainly quite prosperous in the 1920s, after the institution of the tax. That blew up in everyone's faces because the market isn't rational, but that is neither here nor there. Hard to say about the immediate effects of the tax as there was that whole War-to-End-War thing.

Originally posted by Epignosis

But not all voters earn income, either, and the way the IRS has things set up in the US, many wage-earners don't pay taxes at all.


You mean they don't pay federal income tax. In reality, those who pay no federal income tax typically pay some percentage in state income tax as well as FICA (a regressive tax) and then sales taxes (more regressive taxation that will cover nearly all purchases made by the poor). When you whine about people who pay "no taxes", they're actually paying taxes closer to 10-12%, and that's when they own nothing else that can be taxed.

//EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, if you live up in a state with a flat income tax of 4% and 7% sales tax, that's over 17% before anything else that you might get hit with. And Mitt pays what?


Edited by Gamemako - Today at 12:33]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:27:21 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57506&PID=4426649#4426649 Welcome newbies! : Newbie Prog lover http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426647#4426647 Author: Harris361
Subject: Newbie Prog lover
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:24

Ive visted this web site a few times in the past so I thought i would say hi.

I dont really know what to write except I love music.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:24:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84746&PID=4426647#4426647 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Recommendation fellas! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84462&PID=4426646#4426646 Author: TODDLER
Subject: Recommendation fellas!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:24

Jon Field from Jade Warrior played flute on Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells. There are moments where Mike Oldfield produces this style and sound. Another artist named Steve Jolliffe released a cd in the early 90's titled Japanese Butterfly. He was originally a member of Tangerine Dream and appeared on Cyclone. He has other releases which represent the style you are looking for. I contacted him and all of his releases are available from his website and are only on cdr unfortunately. He released something called Journey Out of a Body which featured the late Tony Duhig from Jade Warrior. I believe you would truly enjoy his music. It's really a lot of research, but worth the time if you are interested.  

Edited by TODDLER - Today at 12:25]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:24:22 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84462&PID=4426646#4426646 Prog Polls : Live Single LPs http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84624&PID=4426645#4426645 Author: infocat
Subject: Live Single LPs
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:22

Originally posted by 2dogs

Kick Out The Jams (brothers and sisters).


Really?  This is one live album I have (I made an exception to my "no live albums" rule because there are not studio versions of these songs; I think!).  Don't find it particularly good, though.
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:22:55 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84624&PID=4426645#4426645 Prog Music Lounge : Story of your first prog album http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84134&PID=4426644#4426644 Author: SaltyJon
Subject: Story of your first prog album
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:22

King Crimson's Discipline.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:22:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84134&PID=4426644#4426644 Prog Polls : A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426643#4426643 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:20

Bigger fan of the Saucerful.  Have the Mother but haven't got to know it too well.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:20:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426643#4426643 Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge : Queen as progressive band? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81022&PID=4426642#4426642 Author: Catcher10
Subject: Queen as progressive band?
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:20

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/queen-tap-american-idol-singer-adam-lambert-for-summer-tour/

Dead
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:20:33 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81022&PID=4426642#4426642 Prog Polls : A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426640#4426640 Author: Finnforest
Subject: A Saucerful of Secrets vs. Atom Heart Mother
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:18

Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Finnforest

Wow this is hard. 

I think it is very cool how so many proggers are beginning to enjoy pre-Meddle Pink Floyd, many even claim the 60s stuff is their favorite.  It's a shame the Floyd lads have such contempt for their early work, just another piece of evidence that the artist is not the best judge of their own work. 


Considering all of the hard work that Geesin put into the Atom Heart Mother suite, and I think it quite brilliant, I have been dismayed by how dismissive of that music Pink Floyd members have been (Waters and Gilmour) -- calling it crap.  I like pre-Meddle Pink Floyd the most.  I think it is partially an ego thing.  I think they they may be more dismissive of the first two because of Syd Barrett's involvement.




Spot on.  While Rog has at times praised Syd, I have a rock magazine where he was a total jerk.  It was a feature story on the 40th anniversary of Piper and Rog was the guest interview.....and he such an a-hole, completely dismissing the album.  I'm not sure why they even published his part of the feature.

And you're right, both of them have called much of that era crap, rubbish, etc.   Ridiculous, it's a great era!
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:18:07 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84740&PID=4426640#4426640 Prog Polls : Octapoll! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426638#4426638 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: Octapoll!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:17

  • Octavarium
  • Octahedron
  • Octane
  • Octoberon
  • Octopus
  • Octave
  • Octave Of The Holy Innocents
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:17:03 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426638#4426638 Prog Polls : Octapoll! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426634#4426634 Author: Snow Dog
Subject: Octapoll!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:14

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Yeah I couldn't vote either.  Can we put together a set of eight octas/octos?

  • Octavarium
  • Octahedron
  • Octane
  • Octoberon
  • Octopus
  • Octave


Edited by Snow Dog - Today at 12:16]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:14:25 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426634#4426634 Prog Polls : ELP Vs King Crimson http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84419&PID=4426632#4426632 Author: King Manuel
Subject: ELP Vs King Crimson
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:14

I am not the biggest fan of ELP, but I like to listen to them now and then. KC on the other hand I don´t ever feel like listening to.]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:14:20 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84419&PID=4426632#4426632 Prog Recommendations/Featured albums : Recommendation fellas! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84462&PID=4426631#4426631 Author: TODDLER
Subject: Recommendation fellas!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:13

Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by TODDLER

Jade Warrior-Kites

Jade Warrior-Horizons
Check out these 2 particular titles from Jade Warrior and you might be pleased.
The Zen-like quality or stillness is common in Asian region and unknowingly you might enjoy the Meiji Era (1867-1912), the Taisho era (1912-1925), and the Showa era which began in 1926. The Asian music between the 13th and 16th centuries with all of it's modes and characteristics can be found in the Hackett piece.   
WOW I just heard Jade Warrior's from PA streams and absolutely loved it.Thank youTongue
Sounds like you have so much information in this field to shareSmile.Could you introduce us some artists of those era's music that you mentioned and how can I find them?

 
Asia Music on the Celestial Harmonies label is a compilation which features traditional 14th century China/Japan music , but also some of the more modern sounding artists which falL into the catagory of the Hackett piece. It is a great introduction into this style. You can actually pick and choose from many of the artists featured on the double disc and proceed in purchasing their official releases if you like.
 
Another Jade Warrior title is "Breathing the Storm". Jade Warrior is a band that originally played rock music with an Asian twist. The early albums were okay, but I would recommend the Island period and a few of the later releases where the band dropped the idea of having vocals and focused more on instrumentals. The Hackett piece from "Spectral Mornings" is actually a lot like the Jade Warrior instrumentals from their period on Island records and their even later releases.
 
Stomu Yamashta composed a few pieces containing the style and sound. Try Red Buddha Theatre. Many of the artists who had the modern approach to the style you seem to like were pigeon-holed under the "New Age" catagory. This is questionable in many aspects. For example when artists utilized synth or strings to back up a Japanese instrument taking the melody line, most people defined it as "New Age". It's tricky because many of the artists were catagorized to be "New Age" and in the real world they were not. To make the distinction between the more artistic ones and the "New Age" fluff ones ,,,you may have to do some research.
 
Popol Vuh had touched upon music from India and Tibet. They seemed to be difficult to narrow down, but yet they often entered into a style which could be discovered on Jade Warrior's Kites. Popol Vuh were more spiritual and also displayed scattered musical references through out Asia. You might like their music. I have about 15 of their cd's and find myself playing their music when I enter this mind set. Try and sample their material. They have a huge catalog so ...obvously you cannot judge from hearing 4 or 5 samples of pieces.  
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:13:14 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84462&PID=4426631#4426631 Prog Polls : Octapoll! http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84727&PID=4426629#4426629 Author: Slartibartfast
Subject: Octapoll!
Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:11

Yeah I couldn't vote either.  Can we put together a set of eight octas/octos?  We're up to four so far...

OK five with Octave Of The Holy Innocents...


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