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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

I heard a Zappa interview where he was asked about the Beatles & he said they were "OK"( implying they were not great in his tone) Frank said he was much more of a Stones fan.

(Ironic side note , Eleanor Rigby just popped up on my play list as I was typing this!)

Well....Zappa was even more obvious

He said about The Shaggs



"They are better than the Beatles"

You can say sarcastic, joke..Yes....But clearly not a Beatles fan.

Yet Zappa covered I am the Walrus on his '88 tour...don't recall him ever covering the Shaggs LOL
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Though i respect and admire the way the Beatles and Srg Pepper opend up in terms of sounds and bands whom in their timeperiod were directly and indirectly influenced æ, effected, mooved by their music. Yet bands like Cream, Jethro Tull and Crimson perhaps were not as much
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^ I believe so. I don't think that Robert Fripp liked the Beatles (I could be wrong) but KC did the prog thing pretty well.
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I believe Ian Anderson is proof that a band can have a progressive development from a counterreaction to beatle-mania, that the early development of prog even in britain can have a origin from a counter-reaction or affected by the Beatles.




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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

I heard a Zappa interview where he was asked about the Beatles & he said they were "OK"( implying they were not great in his tone) Frank said he was much more of a Stones fan.

(Ironic side note , Eleanor Rigby just popped up on my play list as I was typing this!)

Well....Zappa was even more obvious

He said about The Shaggs



"They are better than the Beatles"

You can say sarcastic, joke..Yes....But clearly not a Beatles fan.


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 03 2018 at 20:31
            
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really don't mind if I sit this one outWink---but I'll chime in---The Beatles were part of bringing British music to USA--all my fav groups are British ---both of them Yes and Genesis have said that as young lads the Beatles opened up the possibilities of music --so thanks Beatles----I enjoyed both The Beatles and the Stones (especially those early Stones albums) but wasn't  obsessed by either---I was more into American bands like CSNY Joni (know she's Canadian)  Laura Nyro and the Doors.Smile
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^Well, a lot of people say Sgt. Peppers is prog also. I wouldn't say Abbey Road is their only prog album. Nope. I think they hinted at prog but never really made the leap. Then again neither did the Rolling Stones. The Beatles did sew the seeds for the genre but they weren't the only ones.
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I've never thought that Ian could have been a Beatles fan, so no surprise. The best beatles album for me is Abbey Road, their only prog effort. The side long track, even if made of short songs tied together is for me a true prog track.
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Originally posted by Braka Braka wrote:

Some years ago I knew a guy from Liverpool who had seen The Beatles at The Cavern, and he insisted that Abba were better songwriters. All I could think of was, I wish I could find someone who was jealous of me for growing up in the mid to late 70's in Australia.
If you have seen the Boys Next Door/ the Birthday Party live then, then I am really jealous to you! I have seen Midnight Oil live in 1990, but I can believe they were much better in the end of seventies/ begin of eighties. I have seen two songs played live from Red Sails In the Sunset-times and they got then really much more energy!
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I’m listening to This Was. I never bought the LP and only jumped on to being a Tull fan by Benefit (lots of air play) and Stand Up. I can see the influence of This Was and the somewhat more experimental style. But all in all I would not say they were still much in the category of basic rock, not far from the White Album or Abbey Road. I had some more progressive albums at the time, mostly from cutout bins,as they were not selling in the US. I eventually got This Was as CD. My college days favorite was Thick as a Brick, not Aqualung. By then I had Pink Floyd albums as well.
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Some years ago I knew a guy from Liverpool who had seen The Beatles at The Cavern, and he insisted that Abba were better songwriters. All I could think of was, I wish I could find someone who was jealous of me for growing up in the mid to late 70's in Australia.


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I think prog is underground everywhere. 
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^As a Finn I would not say so. Although prog has some popularity here in the begin of 2000, I think it could have always said to be here less or more underground.
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Originally posted by Tero1 Tero1 wrote:

I was in Finland for part of the 60s, and there was some Beatles music on the radio by 65 but not the Stones. Also, covers of Beatles songs, very light rock style. By 69 it was an hour or two of pop music on the radion. State independent FM stations did not appear till about 1980.
And Finns have been overdosing on prog in order to catch up. Excellent! Wink
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I was in Finland for part of the 60s, and there was some Beatles music on the radio by 65 but not the Stones. Also, covers of Beatles songs, very light rock style. By 69 it was an hour or two of pop music on the radion. State independent FM stations did not appear till about 1980.
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

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The UK had pirates. The US had Ed Sullivan. The result was the same: Beatlemania!

Don't forget the self proclaimed "5th Beatle", Murray the K Wink
True, but Murray was only a mortal. Sullivan was a god! Wink

Maybe, but a god doesn't always get his way.  After all, Jim Morrison did sing, "girl we couldn't get much HIGHER" against Sullivan's orders LOL
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The UK had pirates. The US had Ed Sullivan. The result was the same: Beatlemania!

Don't forget the self proclaimed "5th Beatle", Murray the K Wink
True, but Murray was only a mortal. Sullivan was a god! Wink

Maybe, but a god doesn't always get his way.  After all, Jim Morrison did sing, "girl we couldn't get much HIGHER" against Sullivan's orders LOL
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You mustn't underestimate the power of the pirates - before that, young people tuned religiously into the very limited pop output of the BBC including TV shows, the ITV shows, and perhaps most important, Radio Luxembourg in the evenings despite the awful signal. When pirates came along in the wake of Beatlemania kids bought transistor radios just to listen to the all-day pirates, and from there they went to record stores in their droves, listened again there, and bought what they liked. It was the limited availability of broadcast rock and pop which made it so valuable and powerful to us back then.

I think it was the same thing with the radio short wave invasion of the Communist world, by playing Beatles, Rolling Stones and many other bands ... it got the youngsters attention, which I think helped bring things to a major change eventually. There were several doing this in the 60's and 70's.

There is a song, by Guru Guru on their album TANGO FANGO that kinda mentions the differences in music between East and West Germany and makes a nice satire of the whole thing, but in the end, it's feedback and rock music ... as the new representatives of the young folks, in both countries. I always find that piece fascinating, despite my not understanding German, but the intent is quite obvious and fun. The book about "krautrock" (Future Days) also discusses this a lot.

So, yes, there is a lot to be said about non-commercial radio and its place in the airwaves. 

I do wish, however, that the Internet took on a bit more of that spirit ... though too much of the material out there is just fan-raves for the same record companies and top selling/sounding bands. It's really hard to find something original, that doesn't go back to a "known" piece of music 5 minutes later!
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The UK had pirates. The US had Ed Sullivan. The result was the same: Beatlemania!

Don't forget the self proclaimed "5th Beatle", Murray the K Wink
True, but Murray was only a mortal. Sullivan was a god! Wink
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The band House of Love has a wonderful song dedicated to the power of the music of (both) The Beatles and the Stones (called, perhaps unsurprisingly, "The Beatles and the Stones"). 
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