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-Radioswim- 
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 Topic: Unnecessary, Long drawn out Noise...Posted: March 22 2007 at 09:23 |
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I'm sure you all have those utterly boring moments of long drawn out sessions of "noise" that you just wish a band would take out of a song, becuase it feels "Unnecessary".
I think The Mars Volta take the cake for me, That 3 and a half minute session of birds chirping and that strange whining sound, sounds cool for like a minute, then it just annoys me, and I end up skipping to where the music starts to slow down, speed up, then the trumpet comes in. That part is brilliantly done, but is that first 3.5 minutes of "noises" necessary? Couldn't it have just been 1 minute? I think it still would have been just as effective. (I am talking of the Song "Maranda the Ghost just isn't holy anymore: Vade Mecum") Also, there is an entire song of ... seemingly non-collaborative sounds. I mean the song doesn't even START to make sense until the last 40 seconds or so of the song. I am speeking of the song entitled "Cassandra Gemini: Famine Pulse" I swear there is some brilliant sessions and moments in Frances the Mute, but all in all there is just tons of "filler" that just doesn't seem neccesary. I don't remember de-loused having all that filler.  Anyways, is there any songs/albums that you guys think has too much "filler", or pointless "noise" sessions that just didn't need to be in the song/album. If so! I'd love to hear about it! I love to critique music.  Edit- I'm sorry I just have to add something, cause I keep hearing all this great stuff about the "last tracks of the album" being soooo brilliant, songs entitled "Cassandra Gemini", but its some of the most boring stuff TMV have ever written, is there like a different release that I missed out on? I bought the album like the first week it was out. AM I MISSING OUT?@?!?! I've always noticed that my frances the mute album doesnt seem "Whole" Here is my track listing for it, tell me if I have something wrong with it 01 - Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus: A. Sarcophagi/B. Umbilical Syllables/C. Facilis Descenus Averni/D. Con Safo 13:02 02 - The Widow 5:50 03 - L'Via L'Viaquez 12:21 04 - Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore: Vade Mecum 13:09 05 - Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore: Pour Another Icepick 4:45 06 - Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore: Pisacis (Phra-Men-Ma) 6:40 07 - Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore: Con Safo 2:55 08 - Cassandra Geminni: Tarantism 7:41 09 - Cassandra Geminni: Plant A Nail In The Navel Stream 4:59 10 - Cassandra Geminni: Faminepulse 3:48 11 - Cassandra Geminni: Multiple Spouse Wounds 0:46 12 - Cassandra Geminni: Sarcophagi 0:54 Edited by -Radioswim- - March 22 2007 at 09:36 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 09:25 |
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Possibly Moonchild will get a mention?
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 09:37 |
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ItCotCK???? Moonchild? KING CRIMSON? moonchild?
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salmacis
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 09:45 |
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I find The Mars Volta a hard band to get to grips with. The melodies are often hard to find- there does seem to be a lot of self-indulgence on their albums, but yes, some very fine moments of musicianship too. I was thrown by that tracklisting as well though...
The band I feel fits this category for me personally was Henry Cow- I had 'Leg End' and simply couldn't bear it, I felt it even more strongly about their live side on the 'Greasy Truckers- Live At Dingwalls' album.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 09:46 |
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No mention of Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue yet! I guess The T must be asleep....
p.s. Personally I love DAWCT...but then I like noise anyway
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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T.Rox
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 09:54 |
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Title track from How To Measure A Planet from The Gathering is drawn out twaddle.
And what about the 20+ minute "silence" in the Devil Doll album / track The Girl Who Was ... Death  ...the rest of it is excellent, though!Edited by T.Rox - March 24 2007 at 13:51 |
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:08 |
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Actually, your right, I don't get that album, I just don't get it, how was it voted top Prog album of 2006? Amputechture was a much more complete sounding album
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Kotro
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:12 |
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There were A LOT 2006 albums better than those two...
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Bigger on the inside.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:13 |
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Genesis - The Waiting Room
Hit the skip button....
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laplace
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:16 |
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If the artist or band chose to include such sections on their albums then they're necessary. ;P just not necessarily good
the sounds on Frances have got strange textures and variations, I think it's interesting enough. and excuse me for asking, but... where's the noise on Dowsing Anemone or in Moonchild? all I can hear are very calm, minimal variations - or in "___ On Limpid Form"'s case, the only reason why the album can be considered metal at all. =P |
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Lofcaudio
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:25 |
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King Crimson is guilty of this, though it may not necessarily be "noise", but it sure seems like a waste of time to me. Obviously, Moonchild is the first to come to mind, but Talking Drum also fits the bill. The first few minutes of Talking Drum are...what? Maybe animals can hear what is going on, but my ears sure don't hear much of anything.
Pink Floyd with the Psychadelic Breakfast and Seamus.
Rush with the Vapor Trails album. (Ha!)
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:28 |
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Agreed...
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:39 |
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 Asking for trouble, huh? |
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BiGi
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:48 |
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Actually its first three minutes are rather boring and annoying, but when the instruments build in in the last two minutes it becomes an interesting instrumental piece. I particularly love the way the drum pattern shifts from 12/8 to 4/4 at 4'45". What about Pink Floyd's Careful with that axe Eugene or Quicksilver? Or - even worse - The Grand Vizier's Garden Party and Sysyphus? I agree on the lat 9 minutes of KC's Moonchild being less than forgettable, but also some more recent effort of theirs like THRAK's title track or Industry really put my patience to the test. |
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tdbark
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 11:34 |
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When I bought the cassette version of PF's "Pulse", I found that side two of cassette two had the three encores followed by barnyard noises for the last twenty minutes or so of tape space..... They could have included outtakes or bonus material, but no... ducks and geese and sheep.................
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Twenty men crossing a bridge into a village,
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Balthe
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 12:39 |
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Camel - The Hour Candle comes to mind, with its final 17 minutes of ocean sounds. Marillion - This Strange Engine else features 16 minutes of absolutely nothing, ending with Hogarth laughing. I must admit my disappoint was huge, expecting a 30-minute epic, and getting just a 15-minute one :P
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Evans
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 13:47 |
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Well, Godspeed you! Black Emperor does a lot of strange noises in some of their songs (Eas hastings, Providence, Static, Antennas to Heaven), and most of these parts i used to skip. Until one day. All the noise just clicked, and i began to think that the noise-parts were so atmospheric that i actually began thinking that they were as good as the "music" itself. It's just so dark and atmospheric, that it really draws you in and, despite nog being "music" makes you feel. Not very good, though, so if you're a very happy person, i can see how you could think that it's unnecessary noise..
So how about the Mars Volta.. no, i can't really say that i like their sonic experiments as much, no. It's much too computerized and sterile compared to, for example, Gy!be and it doesn't really make me think about much else than computers and mixing tables. I do, however, consider Cassandra Gemini a noiseless song, and the only noise on FTM for me is between the songs preceeding it. |
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
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progismylife
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 14:01 |
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I like "unnecessary long drawn out noise"
 It adds an element of mind boggling to it while you try to figure out what is actually going on. Ambient noise is one of the things I look for when buying albums. For instance I happen to love Frances the Mute. It is beautiful to my ears, and I can't exactly explain why. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 14:20 |
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I like my "noise" in Frances The Mute, it really adds to the concept of the album and the feel of it as a whole.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: March 22 2007 at 15:13 |
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Ok, time to say The Truth... have you noticed that The T and The Truth have the same first letters? It's obvious.... I just noticed but I think is a logical cosmical coincidence...
Well, of course The Mars Volta have a couple sections we could remove without damaging the songs (actually improving some of them)... a very good band, could be even better... I cannot talk about post-rock here because, even though they have minutes and minutes and minutes of same stuff all over again, usually they are harmonic and not noisy....(now interesting or boring is another matter)... What else, what else...too many modern bands rely on noise too much, but it's ok if it's not done till death...BUT...
...of course, the kings of the unnecesary, long drawn NOISE, my candidates for the Guiness record of "longest "musical" section that doesn't change a bit" , 14 minutes of pure glory, _on a limpid form, the peak of the "repetition art".... KD. No one even comes close.... and they are so good at this, in the last song of the album (the next one after the legendary 4th song) they almost accomplish the feat of doing it for the second time in a row! So they are my candidates for this award....
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