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Nuke ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 25 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
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Whoa, I'd never seen that before. Call me validated! Thanks Harold. Anyways, I think the real concept of the album is the 2 sides telling the same story, but from different perspectives, being the left and right sides (of the brain?) The main theme seems to be trying to make something of yourself and failing. And yeah, there is lso the stress on interpersonal relations, it's not just about him anymore. Although I really like the concept of the fragile, my favorite is the concept of with teeth, although I like the album less. |
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Harold the Barrel ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: June 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Fragile_(halo)#Trent_Reznor_on_The_Fragile
Ive always thought so too |
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I f**kING LOVE NARWHALS
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Zargus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 08 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3491 |
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Voted YEAHHHHH! got 3 of his albums, very good stuff.
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mrcozdude ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2007 Location: Devon,UK. Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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Depends on your view,heavy metal I guess.But if you find the lyrical subjects cliché with teen angst .Knowone here will mind if you see it as nu-metal.
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hitting_singularity2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 14 2009 Location: ON, Canada Status: Offline Points: 127 |
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OH! okay, that makes a lot more sense I will have to listen to some Manson now to satisfy my curiosity... What kind of music is it even? |
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mrcozdude ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2007 Location: Devon,UK. Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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Yeah he has.But I what I meant was Reznor helped get Manson in industry. There's a bunch online about them bitching about each other http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/02/trent-reznor-says-marilyn-manson-has-become-a-dopey-clown/ But that's if your into gossip^ or should I say gothip ![]() |
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Dim ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
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He's meaning Trent influenced Manson... Wich he seriously did!
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hitting_singularity2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 14 2009 Location: ON, Canada Status: Offline Points: 127 |
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yeah, i have never listened to Manson's music, but judging from that interview he seems like a really smart and aware guy. ^^ I didn't know Reznor spoke against Manson? or am i hearing you wrong? |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Speaking of Marilyn Manson, though his stuff isn't my cup of tea after seeing his interview in Bowling For Columbine, I did gain some respect for him. David Lynch using some of his music on Lost Highway also gets him/her/it some bonus points.
![]() ![]() Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to hurt myself to see if I still feel. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:48 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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mrcozdude ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 25 2007 Location: Devon,UK. Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
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I haven't listened to them for years,even when I did it was just a handful of songs.I like Trent Reznor,I often read his blogs and interviews about the music industry,clever Guy.Though if you hate Marilyn Manson,it's this guys fault.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Sick sic sicky sick, what was the middle part? ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:43 |
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topofsm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
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Yeah, well some NIN fans tend to agree with that. If only I could follow the Fragile along with a sort of story to go along with it. However, it seems to me in the Fragile he definetely begins at the bottom, but finds an entity (most likely a woman he's in love with based on the lyrics of the title track) that brings his hopes up. It seems the entity goes away, and he spends the rest of the album looking for her, only to fall down to the bottom again at the end.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 38548 |
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Because this was put in Prog polls, my guess would be that he is asking if Nine Inches Nailed [sick sic] should be included in a Prog category. Perhaps it's deliberately a very open-ended question. Is there a specific question? |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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I find it really difficult to watch that J Cash vid. Always brings a tear to my eye so thanks to NIN for that, but I haven't found anything much yet I like, will give them another try so no vote. Another vote for Crunchy Peanut Butter from me!
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Help me I'm falling!
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Dim ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
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The whole album is in first person, so I dont really understand what you mean by it being too weird. I think hurt might be his soul maybe reflected on what he' reduced himself to, and saying if he could be given a second chance, then he would do it a million different ways or whatever.
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Nuke ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 25 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
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Hmm, I went back and studied the lyrics, and it is really ambiguous. I don't really think that he kills himself in the title track, it is just too wierd having it in 3rd person and then having another track after it where he asks "what have I become" as if he is still alive. The interpretation that hurt is like an epilogue where his spirit looks back is ridiculous because he attacks the idea of religion in heresy. I'm pretty convinced that the main character is still alive at the beginning of hurt. The only thing that makes me think it could be suicide is the 3 ugly chords at the end of hurt after "if I could start again, a million miles away, I would keep myself, I would find a way." I think that the day the whole world went away follows into the new concept expressed by the fragile, which is more about despair than destruction. As if he were already at the bottom of the spiral when the album started... |
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Dim ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
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The spoken word section in the downward spiral... "So much blood from such a tiny hole" Though Hurt doesnt really give away suicide as the end. I thought the title track made it very evident. I found the Fragile to be far inferior to the Downward spiral, so I didnt really listen to it as much, therefore didnt look in depth to the lyrics.
From the songs "the wretched" and "The day the whole world went away", They dont seem to be a continuation of the original concept lyrically... Though I really enjoy them.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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![]() There's a lot more there to NIN if you dare to explore, but I must admit though I have no Johnny Cash in my collection, I've always respected his musical talent. He really did take Hurt to a whole new level. I've replayed that video that Dean linked to several times. Just think what he could have done with Closer... ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:43 |
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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I thank NIN for writing Hurt so that Johnny Cash could later make it amazing but that's about it |
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Nuke ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 25 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
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Hmm, my interpretation of hurt was that he didn't commit suicide. See, the title track before hurt portrays a suicide from a 3rd person perspective, not first person. Then hurt says "I am still right here/what have I become" indicating that he didn't kill himself. I always thought the interesting thing about the lyrics is how the portrayel of suicide is much more positive than choosing to live ("a lifetime of f**king things up fixed" vs. "full of broken thoughts/I cannot repair.") |
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