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Easy Money
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Posted: February 06 2019 at 17:42 |
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^ If you want to hear more about what a wonderful guy George Harrison was, try googling Bernie Krause talks about George Harrison.
George ripped him off big time. Basically Harrison recorded a Krause synthesizer demonstration and then Harrison put it on his (George's) album. Krause ultimately added Moog parts to five Lomax songs, recorded at Sound Records Studio in Los Angeles in November 1968. Intrigued, Harrison asked him to further explore the instrument after the Lomax sessions concluded. Krause later contended that this demonstration, recorded in the early hours of Nov. 12, was subsequently edited down to become "No Time or Space" on Electronic Sound. "As I showed him the settings and gave some performance examples, Harrison seemed impressed with the possibilities. I had no idea at the time exactly how impressed he was," Krause wrote in his book Into a Wild Sanctuary: A Life in Music and Natural Sound. "Had I been aware that he was recording my demonstration, I would have never shown examples of what [I was] considering for [my] next album." Krause didn't have the funds to take on the Beatles. "Although I did get credit on the inside jacket, along with his cats, I never did receive a single quid," Krause wrote. "His refusal to acknowledge the source where he acquired the expropriated material left me frustrated and angry, but also with a feeling of powerlessness." Edited by Easy Money - February 06 2019 at 17:53 |
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I'm not surprised at all.
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Lewian
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I haven't read all postings here so maybe it's already mentioned, but I found something in an interview with Ian that gives a different spin on Ian Anderson vs. the Beatles. Apparently Anderson had put some money into Monty Python's Holy Grail, and he says this:
"My only regret is that Life of Brian, which was I think a bigger, more important movie than Holy Grail, we didn’t get the opportunity to invest in, because somebody told a little fib to Pythons and put up all the money, and we were excluded from the funding of Life of Brian. Traditionally in the theater, the term “angel” is the one that’s used for coming to the rescue and putting up the money for a production, and if that production is successful then traditionally you get offered the follow-up. You know, you become an investor is somebody’s life and career and commercial and artistic success, and you’re invited to participate again if it’s successful. And unfortunately we were not able to do that, so I, for one, was a bit pissed off about it. But I know for a fact that the Pythons were told a fib, because I spoke to John Cleese about it some years later and he was quite surprised that he’d been told that none of the original investors wanted to participate again. When I asked him who told him, then it became clear that a bit of subterfuge had gone on. JM: You’re being very coy – I assume you don’t want to name who told the fib? IA: Well, if he was alive today then I certainly would mention his name, because I feel angry about it. But I think we’ll leave the dead to their own memories that we prefer to have about them." It's well known that The Life of Brian was funded in the first place by George Harrison. Obviously his (lack of) appreciation of the music of the Beatles may not have been affected by this... but who knows? Edited by Lewian - February 06 2019 at 11:59 |
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Well, that's an impossible. You had to be a genius out of this world to cover this girls, they are so bad that it's impossible to cover them. I remember an anecdote. A guy who recorded them, said the two sisters were playing the same song and both almost always played two different notes simultaneously, normally one is correct and the other is wrong, but in this case both were wrong. But the funny thing is that Dot Wiggins made a scandal and shouted her sister for playing a wrong note. |
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I'm not into the "Beatlemania" era of The Beatles...not as much, anyway. I own the albums and understand the impact they had. It was the artistically adventurous Beatles that hooked me...from Revolver onward...LOVE that stuff.
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I believe this would be incorrect. RF would, and does, appreciate a lot of the composition side of the Beatles material, and while that is not enough to influence what RF/KC did, in the end, even RF has stated that KC is not progressive, and it is very clear why ... they are ... let's say, the best classical music folks around, in that they rehearse and study their work so that it can be developed and worked to a very well thought out and designed piece of music ... most bands, are not that well versed and studied musically to appreciate that and stop at a simple/single riff to get a "song" going. KC, breaks the rock music mold, of the "simple" and repeated concept in design of each and every piece. And this places, RF and KC far and above a lot of bands when it comes to the music design. The Beatles helped define that rock music was not just done by street folks that did not even know A from B or C, or how to count. KC, went much further than that, by working the compositions to a very well developed piece of music ... which we remember so well and vividly today! It will only have to do with the Beatles if we give them some credit for elevating "popular music" above and beyond a simple ditty and song. But even this is something that most folks here do not accept and wish to discuss, as they consider almost everything just another pop song. Not all folks, and musicians, in rock music are, or consider themselves ... "pop musicians". I believe that Ian is bitter and has run out of things to say in his old age. Not to mention that he has ignored a lot of music from the rest of the world!
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Beatlemania (1963) was a phenomenon that hadn't been seen since the postwar 'bobbysoxers' who screamed at Sinatra, and back then there wasn't much TV in Britain so people took less notice. Pop music took off in a big way after Beatlemania and it was the dire lack of mainstream pop radio (which was not caused by The Beatles of course) which prompted the rise of the pirates. So I think you'd say that Beatlemania was the catalyst, but really it was the non-exiistence of pop radio that really led to the pirates. But then, the pirates helped keep The Beatles in the teenage minds, so it was a kind of 'virtuous circle' I think?
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Edited by SteveG - September 06 2018 at 04:28 |
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Well he stated once that hearing A Day In The Life changed his whole perspective on music.
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The piano on Martha My Dear is my all time favorite Beatle keyboard part. I've learned it, forgotten it, and relearned it too many times to count While only George Martin could have played the harpsichord break on "In My Life", only Paul could have written Martha's bouncy piano section
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It's quite remarkable what McCartney has achieved with just an intuitive approach to music. He had some piano lessons once, and immediately showed off with the piano parts of Martha My Dear. He composes stuff like the Liverpool Oratorio on a computer.
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I believe it fully. The Cheerful Insanity Of Giles, Giles & Fripp sounds really much Beatles, but in a very great way! Also, I believe Stand Up and Benefit would have sounded different if the main influence there had been Stones and other brit blues. Edited by Mortte - September 04 2018 at 23:51 |
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There is actually nothing different in KC, Tull or The Beatles as far as form goes. The sections are rather few and the main part of the song is verse, chorus and middle 8. Solos extend a song to 10 min or more.
KC doing Islands (the last song off the album) is no different that A Day In The Life. I also do not "value" any type of music more than some other. I listen to baroque music and selected symphonic era stuff. In a typical Vivaldi concerto, there are parts that show more development (toward sonata form) but basically are similar bits of melody and riffs as is rock music. The final triumph of classical, symphonies etc follows set rules, or at least has some elements of these types of variations, in related keys etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonata_form#Introduction
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I'm not sure that this is quite right, although I like the joke and the laugh it gave me! RF, more than likely will have appreciated a lot of the compositional side of things in some of the Beatles material, however, RF's musical design and abilities tend to come a lot more from experimentation and development of themes, than they would from a rock music context. In this sense, a lot of KC is quite "classical" in its music design. RF is more into the textures in the music itself and their ability to interplay, which as a music design, is very progressive, and not the same as setting up a riff and then making a 5minute song out of it, and call it progressive! Not to mention that the song design is the same most of the time! The strange side of it, is that RF has stated that KC is not progressive, and I tend to agree with him some and also to disagree on the same sentence. It is "progressive" when compared to most "popular" music, that is less designed as a composition, and more into something else that has a lot less "music" (in the academic context) in it, than simply a following of a riff with a solo over it. Most classical music did that in the days of MOZART, and got bored with it since. Thus, seeing this revival in popular music is kinda interesting, but also scary, and then calling it "progressive" because of a different looking bass guitar, and a classical handset playing of notes, done on a synthesizer so it is not recognizable as an orchestral instrument ... this is where it gets really scary. I'm not sure that the SOUND, should be defined as MUSIC, but in the 20th century this separation has been blurred badly! I like to say, here ... UNPLUG IT ... and you and I know that KC will stand out, as will most of ELP (witness Rachel Flowers) ... but a lot of bands, would not stand up at all in this area, and in fact might sound/look really bad!
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Curious that the 60s rockers were not affected by the ”hand holding” era of the Beatles. Though the hip young musicians listened to the blues and went more the John Mayall route, still, the Beatles were a huge leap from anything coming from Europe at the time. There was the Shadows and that was about it.
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^ Well...apparently Fripp has said in print and interview that The Beatles and Pepper was a big influence to him....and as I said above Anderson has said the same about Pepper....so if they have changed their minds then that's news.
The Beatles are not the be all and end all of what happened with music then but they certainly were influential when they started adding orchestration and studio effects and expanding the possibilities of music.
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^ I don't set great store on the sayings of Mr. Fripp. Perhaps he personally didn't like the Beatles. Except for Yoko. ;)
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That's interesting, since....I have read that Fripp thought Pepper was groundbreaking and that the Beatles influenced many musicians and also I have read that Anderson said certain albums like Pepper influenced him and other musicians. |
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