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ExittheLemming
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Your suspicions are unfounded (I have no interest in yet another semantic pillow fight with a post modernist like yourself) I can read a story about a fictional character in a novel, about whom my empathy derives from the author's skillful/manipulative description. My emotional response is real but it's from a fictitious/made up source e.g. grieving over the death of someone who never actually lived. Music is possibly one of the most abstract of all the art-forms so as to why something like Bartok's Dance Suite makes me cry is probably unfathomable. Although I know my tears are physically real, they are effectively vicarious i.e. I can be affected by other's depictions of their own experiences but if I haven't lived them I cannot share them so would probably be guilty of a certain amount of bad faith/hypocrisy
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Lewian
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I still don't get it. How is there a conflict between being manufactured and real? Chances are you wouldn't say a hammer and a nail are not real; also a painting or sound waves are pretty much as real as it gets, aren't they? So the source is real, your perception is real (it can probably be physically traced in your brain), your being moved is real, so what is not real? Are you saying that it is not real (in the sense of not being an objective fact) that musical piece XYZ is, say, "happy"? But obviously happiness is a subjective sentiment, so shouldn't be ascribed to the piece itself but rather to its reception by a specific person, for whom, again, this is very real (for a given point in time). The thread question expresses this properly ("what does it do for you"), so what's your issue with that? (I'm asking out of philosophical interest by the way. I suspect you have some background or at least interest in that direction, so I try to figure out whether what you're claiming here is of interest to me - not assuming that it is nonsense just because it doesn't make sense to me at first sight.)
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ExittheLemming
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My being moved is real but the stimulus or source is artificial/manufactured. It's art (not reality)
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Lewian
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How is being moved not real?
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ExittheLemming
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imagined or real?
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ExittheLemming
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My temperament or choice of what I listen to is not determined by my emotional reaction to any given piece of music. It's art and might be perceived as happy, sad and all points in-between but just because it moves me doesn't make it real. That said, I would probably be inconsolable if I had to live my life without music
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Psychedelic Paul
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That certainly applies to me, as do the heartfelt lyrics of this John Miles song.... Music was my first love And it will be my last Music of the future And music of the past To live without my music Would be impossible to do In this world of troubles My music pulls me through. Amen to that.
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Logan
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^ That seems about right as the type.
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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Let me guess...it was one of these guys. Edited by JD - September 04 2021 at 11:48 |
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Logan
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^ I knew someone who claimed that music did nothing for them and couldn't appreciate any of it.
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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What doesn't music do? |
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Listening to music (any kind) is like having a close friend nearby. Someone with whom you can just be your own boring self without any awkward feelings or judgment.
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Psychedelic Paul
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It's good to see there's at least two other fans (incl. Logan) of Les Baxter's space age exotica on ProgArchives. Space Pirate Radio sounds like my kind of radio station.
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^^^^^^^^to Psychedelic Paul...
if I hadn't heard Les Baxter's version of "Out Of This World" from CARIBBEAN MOONLIGHT as a child, I wouldn't have been able to appreciate Pink Floyd as a teen. and hence, I would never have created SPACE PIRATE RADIO in 1973. and 48 years later, I still play Les Baxter. it always sounds just right after something like Can, Magma, or any of the new kids on the block. & don't get me started on Martin Denny & the soundtrack to FORBIDDEN PLANET. *giggles* thanks.
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The Anders
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Depends on what mood the music has. Quirky and weird stuff usually puts a smile on my face, layered-ness and complexity makes me think, and sad songs made me sad...
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Logan
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^^^^ Paul, I know some Les Baxter, including that track. I like it. Sven Libaek's Imner Space is one of my favourites of a certain kind of loungey ilk I like and Stringtronics with Mindbender. Roger Roger, who was with Mindbender, is one of my favourites of the "easy-listening" tropica variety. A have a fair amount of library music of that ilk in my collection
People make different connections and are wired differently. Art itself is so interpretive and each listener's experience will not be quite the same and not quite the same for the same person at different times. It's not something that I am as aware of when listening to Rock Bottom as with Bowie's condition when listening to Blackstar, nor can I say that it's always in mind when playing that stony behind. Knowing Wyatt's story just made the album all the more poignant to me whether I'm consciously, subconsciously or at all thinking about that when listening to the album or not, or if it's when I'm talking about it with others. Just thinking about it alone, or just discussing it, adds an air of poignancy to the album whether I'm listening to it or not. Often my greater appreciation of albums and emotional resonance can be linked to a story -- be it what I was doing when I heard it, if it's a soundtrack and I associate the music with the film or that it speaks to my story (including my experiences with those I know and care about) in some way as I perceive it. That said, just the name Rock Bottom alone would remind me of what happened. |
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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moshkito
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Hi,
It's a hard thing for me to describe since I like so many different things and the next day I want something hard and different and the next something meditative and quiet. I don't think it is about my "moods" since I can pick up anything from my collection, and I can fly with it immediately regardless of the mood. I think it simply says that the feel I have for that particular album (or band) has stayed true all this time, and it continues in different albums -- something that we are not exactly on tune with, but might make for a good poll! The only thing I know, is that at times something different will grab my ear, and this week it has been the missing chirping of the two blue robins that come around to grab the peanuts I leave for them. Pete always says hi (loud I might suggest!), but his other mate is quieter and likes to sneak up, grab the peanut and then fly. You can hear the wings flutter coming and then going with a peanut in their beaks! Some story, or idea about the music is ... weird for me. I can appreciate a band or two telling me about their fictional trip, but in the end, the trip you can not "define" is the only one that attracts me and keeps me on it over and over again. Think about Echoes, Atom Heart Mother, Tales from Topographic Oceans and the like where your attempt to "define" it, ends up nowhere at all. If you take this route on the left ... no, wait, take this route on the right ... and I'm not sure that I want to meet TIRESIAS to make things even ore confusing ... how does that help? Be it music, a painting or a novel ... is the same. It's about it giving me a visual film that never ends or stops ... with only one bad side ... seeing that on Picasso's Guernica is the worst horror movie ever! Nothing like the reality of a Civil War and what could be seen right outside the window by a child! Sometimes, not knowing about it is better. For example, in the film MAHLER (Ken Russell) the ending is really sad ... he had written a Symphony for his wife, and she still left him not caring about the music! As much as I loved some of the music in that piece ... the visual of it from the film hurts. I felt the same on ROSSETTI (also Ken Russell's early film) when seeing the last 30 minutes was sad ... really sad, and it took some of the sails out of the "pre-Raphaelites" for me. But all in all, at 70 and getting older, any music that makes me fly within a few seconds is going to really have a lot of love and appreciation. The rest? Ciao baby, progressive or not!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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