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Poll Question: What is your favourite of these 1970s European jazz rock artists?
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    Posted: July 09 2025 at 06:39
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

From Presdoug:
'I'm talking Jazz-rock Fusion, but in my title for the Poll, I had to lower the amount of letters in it for it to work, so I changed it to just "fusion", but yes, we're talking Jazz-rock fusion, here. I know some of the ones on your list, and of those I know, they don't hold a candle to my selection! I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the definition of quality in this time and genre!'


Agreed! (to agree to disagree!)

. . . "hold a candle" . . . that's a pretty strong statement, Doug! Would that be a beeswax candle, tallow, or glycerine?

Area, SBB, Jan Akkerman, Fermáta, Michal Urbaniak ... not being able to hold a candle to *choke* anybody on your list! That's amazing! Guess I don't know my Jazz-Rock Fusion!

So much to learn! And enjoy the process along the way! I've learned so much about Jazz and Jazz-Rock Fusion thanks to PA and YouTube. I'm very excited for how far I've come--and even more excited for how much more there is to learn! Before 2007 I thought Prog was dead and gone! I've been so fortunate to be prog-educated--to keep expanding my brain and knowledge--to watch my preferences change and grow. So there's more!?!?! BRING IT ON!


   

    And you have mentioned a fare bit of artists that I know by name only, and I will check youtube for some of those and see....
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:


Thanks, Rollon! I look forward to checking those albums out--especially as I am nearing the end of my list of 1970s "Peak Era" J-R Fuse albums to review.

I hope Terje can win me back over--though I see you've included in your list the 1971 eponymously-titled LP--which is the one that really turned me sour on his developmental choices. We'll see!
That is a more ambient sort of fusion, while I personally love it (to death), I know it's rarely among the "proggers choice". But it's almost like Fusions version of Kosmische Musik. Considering my impression of your main "fusion-focus", I suppose 1975-1981 might be the period that will speak to the the most. I might throw in Descendre (which was included in my original post) from 1980 - which I love/do not love ca. 50/50. After you've made yourself familiar with those works, I still think you should revisit his self titled, and try "What Comes After".

Those albums you've heard with Garbarek (including Esoteric Circle) and George Russell do not share any common ground with his solo outings really.

I do love the wild free jazz (it still has a fusioneque groove, though) of Afric Pepperbird too - and actually find it hugely entertaining and fun, but I'm very much into that kind of jazz as well.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Due to my lack of finding any connection to his work either with George Russell and the Esoteric Circle stuff (often credited to Jan Garbarek--and I also lack connection to the majority of Jan Garbarek's output) as well to his solo stuff after Bleak House, I have lacked the motivation to listen to a lot of Terje's solo stuff over the course of the last three years and the over 700 Jazz and J-R Fusion albums I've reviewed.

I welcome and ask for the albums to listen to that will get me re-excited for Terje's music. Any suggestions? (Have not connected AT ALL with Afric Pepperbird or "Terje Rypdal"--and I do usually choose to listen to an artist's discography in near-chronologic order.)

At the same time, I stand by my statement and list: those are the albums I've heard over the past three years from European Continental BANDS that I have most connected with--who I esteem on a par with the Greats in the Anglo-American Scene.
You stand by your statement, which you changed, and haven't actually listened to Terje Rypdals fusion offerings:) I tell you he's even better than Missus Beastly! (got nothing against them. They just feel completely inessential)

Aargh! I wrote a long list with comments, but PA denied me posting it! Short version:

Terje Rypdal, 1971
What Comes After, 1974
Whenever I seem to be Far Away, 1974
Odyssey, 1975 (Important: the epic Rolling Stone - is only included on Odyssey in Studio & In Concert on streaming/CD)
Waves, 1978
Terje Rypdal / Miroslav Vitous / Jack DeJohnette , 1980
To Be Continued, 1981 (same line-up)

A little Crimsonesque fusion warm up:



Thanks, Rollon! I look forward to checking those albums out--especially as I am nearing the end of my list of 1970s "Peak Era" J-R Fuse albums to review.

I hope Terje can win me back over--though I see you've included in your list the 1971 eponymously-titled LP--which is the one that really turned me sour on his developmental choices. We'll see!
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The ideal Solution.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Wether European Fusion or all music, Terje Rypdal is one of my favorite artists.

love Dedalus' debut, Giger Lenz Marron, Dzyan and selected albums by Passport as well. I've enjoyed what I've heard by Brainstorm and Gunter Fischer Quintet too.
Hey, thanks, sounds great....
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I'm more into album polls over band or song polls but... there's two that stand out. Dedalus and Terje Rypdal, but I have to go the latter for the many great albums he has released compared to the one great record from the Italians.
Hey, John, thanks for your contribution; yeah, Dedalus sure changed their style later, but that debut, like wow! What a record! Yes, Terje has more quality recordings in comparison, for sure, though....
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Due to my lack of finding any connection to his work either with George Russell and the Esoteric Circle stuff (often credited to Jan Garbarek--and I also lack connection to the majority of Jan Garbarek's output) as well to his solo stuff after Bleak House, I have lacked the motivation to listen to a lot of Terje's solo stuff over the course of the last three years and the over 700 Jazz and J-R Fusion albums I've reviewed.

I welcome and ask for the albums to listen to that will get me re-excited for Terje's music. Any suggestions? (Have not connected AT ALL with Afric Pepperbird or "Terje Rypdal"--and I do usually choose to listen to an artist's discography in near-chronologic order.)

At the same time, I stand by my statement and list: those are the albums I've heard over the past three years from European Continental BANDS that I have most connected with--who I esteem on a par with the Greats in the Anglo-American Scene.
You stand by your statement, which you changed, and haven't actually listened to Terje Rypdals fusion offerings:) I tell you he's even better than Missus Beastly! (got nothing against them. They just feel completely inessential)

Aargh! I wrote a long list with comments, but PA denied me posting it! Short version:

Terje Rypdal, 1971
What Comes After, 1974
Whenever I seem to be Far Away, 1974
Odyssey, 1975 (Important: the epic Rolling Stone - is only included on Odyssey in Studio & In Concert on streaming/CD)
Waves, 1978
Terje Rypdal / Miroslav Vitous / Jack DeJohnette , 1980
To Be Continued, 1981 (same line-up)

A little Crimsonesque fusion warm up:



Edited by Saperlipopette! - July 08 2025 at 14:24
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From Presdoug:
'I'm talking Jazz-rock Fusion, but in my title for the Poll, I had to lower the amount of letters in it for it to work, so I changed it to just "fusion", but yes, we're talking Jazz-rock fusion, here. I know some of the ones on your list, and of those I know, they don't hold a candle to my selection! I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the definition of quality in this time and genre!'


Agreed! (to agree to disagree!)

. . . "hold a candle" . . . that's a pretty strong statement, Doug! Would that be a beeswax candle, tallow, or glycerine?

Area, SBB, Jan Akkerman, Fermáta, Michal Urbaniak ... not being able to hold a candle to *choke* anybody on your list! That's amazing! Guess I don't know my Jazz-Rock Fusion!

So much to learn! And enjoy the process along the way! I've learned so much about Jazz and Jazz-Rock Fusion thanks to PA and YouTube. I'm very excited for how far I've come--and even more excited for how much more there is to learn! Before 2007 I thought Prog was dead and gone! I've been so fortunate to be prog-educated--to keep expanding my brain and knowledge--to watch my preferences change and grow. So there's more!?!?! BRING IT ON!


   

Edited by BrufordFreak - July 08 2025 at 12:48
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Wow! I have to say, "NONE!" I don't consider any of these artists "top tier" European Jazz-Rock Fusion artist except perhaps Klaus Doldinger.
My list would look like this (in no particular order):

Area
SBB
Arti E Mestieri
Iceberg
Atoll
Eberhard Weber
Fermáta
Cortex
Etna
Janne Schaffer
Pop Workshop
Michal Urbaniak
Jan Akkerman
Missus Beastly
Zao
Perigeo
Secret Oyster
Pekka Pohjola
Chris Hinze
Cervello/Nova
Atila
Association P.C. (Pierre Courbois)
Out of Focus
Moose Loose
Volker Kriegel
Extra Ball
Jukka Hauru
Jukka Tolonen
Didier Lockwood

ALL of these artists I would rate/rank higher than the ones you gave us to choose from, Doug! Sorry! No disrespect but perhaps we have very different definitions of Jazz-Rock Fusion. (Are we even talking about Jazz-Rock Fusion? You use the single-word term "Fusion." Perhaps you mean something completely different from me with that term!)

    I'm talking Jazz-rock Fusion, but in my title for the Poll, I had to lower the amount of letters in it for it to work, so I changed it to just "fusion", but yes, we're talking Jazz-rock fusion, here. I know some of the ones on your list, and of those I know, they don't hold a candle to my selection! I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the definition of quality in this time and genre!
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Wow! I have to say, "NONE!" I don't consider any of these artists "top tier" European Jazz-Rock Fusion artist except perhaps Klaus Doldinger.
Kind of sh*tty comment. But if you think everyone on your list is superior to Terje Rypdal, your opinion doesn't matter anyway.


Again, I'm wondering if Doug's definition of "Fusion" is different from my understanding of "Jazz-Rock Fusion," so, in that instance, yes, my comment might have been rather brash and "sh*tty."

As for Terje Rypdal's prowess, I know his reputation, absolutely LOVE "Bleak House," but have yet to find enough consistency in A) his commitment to Jazz-Rock Fusion and B) his stylistic choices to find any consistent impression, much less enjoyment, of his playing. Due to my lack of finding any connection to his work either with George Russell and the Esoteric Circle stuff (often credited to Jan Garbarek--and I also lack connection to the majority of Jan Garbarek's output) as well to his solo stuff after Bleak House, I have lacked the motivation to listen to a lot of Terje's solo stuff over the course of the last three years and the over 700 Jazz and J-R Fusion albums I've reviewed.

I welcome and ask for the albums to listen to that will get me re-excited for Terje's music. Any suggestions? (Have not connected AT ALL with Afric Pepperbird or "Terje Rypdal"--and I do usually choose to listen to an artist's discography in near-chronologic order.)

At the same time, I stand by my statement and list: those are the albums I've heard over the past three years from European Continental BANDS that I have most connected with--who I esteem on a par with the Greats in the Anglo-American Scene.



Edited by BrufordFreak - July 08 2025 at 12:34
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Wow! I have to say, "NONE!" I don't consider any of these artists "top tier" European Jazz-Rock Fusion artist except perhaps Klaus Doldinger.
Kind of sh*tty comment. But if you think everyone on your list is superior to Terje Rypdal, your opinion doesn't matter anyway.
A double dose of snobbery.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Wow! I have to say, "NONE!" I don't consider any of these artists "top tier" European Jazz-Rock Fusion artist except perhaps Klaus Doldinger.
Kind of sh*tty comment. But if you think everyone on your list is superior to Terje Rypdal, your opinion doesn't matter anyway.
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Out of my Eastern European Slav shіthole, String Connection was one of the very few standouts.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I vote for Passport based on the quality of their best material even though they also have quite a bit that is not for me. Also love Terje Rypdal.


Agreed. The sound engineering quality of those first five Passport albums is ahead of ANYTHING USA (or British) bands were producing at the time. Mind boggling the clean, clear, wonderfully-defined sound that they produced in 1971!
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Wow! I have to say, "NONE!" I don't consider any of these artists "top tier" European Jazz-Rock Fusion artist except perhaps Klaus Doldinger.
My list would look like this (in no particular order):

Area
SBB
Arti E Mestieri
Iceberg
Atoll
Eberhard Weber
Fermáta
Cortex
Etna
Janne Schaffer
Pop Workshop
Michal Urbaniak
Jan Akkerman
Missus Beastly
Zao
Perigeo
Secret Oyster
Pekka Pohjola
Chris Hinze
Cervello/Nova
Atila
Association P.C. (Pierre Courbois)
Out of Focus
Moose Loose
Volker Kriegel
Extra Ball
Jukka Hauru
Jukka Tolonen
Didier Lockwood

ALL of these artists I would rate/rank higher than the ones you gave us to choose from, Doug! Sorry! No disrespect but perhaps we have very different definitions of Jazz-Rock Fusion. (Are we even talking about Jazz-Rock Fusion? You use the single-word term "Fusion." Perhaps you mean something completely different from me with that term!)
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Rypdal is the only one I know.
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I'm throwing a bone to Il Baricentro because I love their two albums.
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Of the choices, Passport.

Shout out to Jean-Luc Ponty.
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I vote for Passport based on the quality of their best material even though they also have quite a bit that is not for me. Also love Terje Rypdal.

Edited by Lewian - July 07 2025 at 11:25
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