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    Posted: January 26 2008 at 23:35
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

L.D. 50 had some prog moments. Some adventure, some breaking the mold, and some very good bass-work. These elements, however, were quite watered-down on the next album and same thing (even more so) for the album after that.

If Mudvayne gets in than so should Slipknot because their latest one had a bunch of weird, psuedo proggy stuff in it too.
 
Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Archives? I like that idea......in an alternate universe of an alternate universe.
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I myself actually like LD 50, it certainly is much more interesting than your typical metal fare, and I'm not one to limit myself to one genre.  However, I don't really consider them "prog" in the sense of this site.  They added some interesting elements to their music, mainly in LD 50, the bass work was superb and very tight.  The lyrics were... well, in my opinion, laughable, taken out of context, but if you don't listen to them very carefully, they work well in the musc.Wink
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Well, actually they are Math-rock, but with all these pompous prog snobs cutting the topic starter down, I suppose I will also be getting snickered at for even concurring with the guy a little. I do consider them prog., Like I said, "Math Rock", but I don't think Prog Archives will add them because too many people think Mudvayne is just "Nu-Metal" garbage, which they are not.
 
 
I would also like to add, however, that I agree with what was said earlier; I think it can get a bit absurd when people start suggesting clearly generic and sound-alike bands to be included as "prog". I just happen to agree with the Mudvayne suggestion, oddly enough. Someone else recently suggested 30 Seconds to Mars (or maybe it was the same person?) and all I can say to a suggesion like that is . . . WHAT? But at least with Mudvayne there is merrit and reason behind the man's suggestion. I even think the band themselves have stated that they are math rock? I could be wrong, though . . .
 


I think you can make a legitimate discussion of what they are, nu metal comments aside. From what I've heard, I wouldn't call them prog or even prog-related: they have occasional odd time signatures, but that aside, you're looking at fairly typical structures and sounds.

If you have more evidence for them, I'm sure people wouldn't be too opposed to considering them for prog-related, but you'll need to make a case for them. I can't help or hinder much as my experience with them is somewhat limited.

That, and nobody takes threads about the Arhives seriously.Big%20smile
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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

I can't wait to hear Ryan Martinie somewhere else. He's maybe the best new bassist to emerge in the 21st century, but I can't really get behind Mudvayne.
 
Agreed.Not only Martinie but Mudvayne's rhythm section on the whole is superb.

Thirded. I have been all about Martinie since i discovered mudvayne in like 7th grade. I dont know if anyone has seen them live but Martini and the drummer (name? spud kudd spag? ) made that show worth going to. im trying to find a decent video of him on you tube
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L.D. 50 had some prog moments. Some adventure, some breaking the mold, and some very good bass-work. These elements, however, were quite watered-down on the next album and same thing (even more so) for the album after that.

If Mudvayne gets in than so should Slipknot because their latest one had a bunch of weird, psuedo proggy stuff in it too.
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Well, actually they are Math-rock, but with all these pompous prog snobs cutting the topic starter down, I suppose I will also be getting snickered at for even concurring with the guy a little. I do consider them prog., Like I said, "Math Rock", but I don't think Prog Archives will add them because too many people think Mudvayne is just "Nu-Metal" garbage, which they are not.
 
 
I would also like to add, however, that I agree with what was said earlier; I think it can get a bit absurd when people start suggesting clearly generic and sound-alike bands to be included as "prog". I just happen to agree with the Mudvayne suggestion, oddly enough. Someone else recently suggested 30 Seconds to Mars (or maybe it was the same person?) and all I can say to a suggesion like that is . . . WHAT? But at least with Mudvayne there is merrit and reason behind the man's suggestion. I even think the band themselves have stated that they are math rock? I could be wrong, though . . .
 
 
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Points: 1319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2007 at 16:55
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

"Hi, we're Mudvanye" - Cedric Zavala

LOL

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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

I can't wait to hear Ryan Martinie somewhere else. He's maybe the best new bassist to emerge in the 21st century, but I can't really get behind Mudvayne.
 
Agreed.Not only Martinie but Mudvayne's rhythm section on the whole is superb.


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I can't wait to hear Ryan Martinie somewhere else. He's maybe the best new bassist to emerge in the 21st century, but I can't really get behind Mudvayne.
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I thought it was Omar who said that Cry

edit: does it matter? its still funny
 
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Points: 11682 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 22:10
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

"Hi, we're Mudvanye" - Cedric Zavala

LOL
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 22:03
I thought it was Omar who said that Cry

edit: does it matter? its still funny


Edited by heyitsthatguy - December 13 2007 at 22:03


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Points: 247 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 16:15
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

Mudvayne is certainly complicated at times, math metal perhaps if only on their first CD LD50 (which is on my top 50 llst Embarrassed . . im so emo) but clearly not prog.
They really only break the mold in terms of time sigs and riffing patterns. Lyrically they fail to impress, they dont use any incredibly different song structure/composition from most rock bands and arent particularly achieved at their respective instruments (though i love their bassist and his interaction with the drummer- really cool rhythm section)
poooossssibly prog related but even thats a real stretch. i think they're better off off the archives.

EDIT - seriously though. . . Blind Guardian? LOL. sorry.
 
Thanks for giving me reasons man, I understand.
 
I like all their albums, and even though LD50 seems to be the fan favorite, I like all ofthem, and think thier sound has grown. I really disagree with them having bad lyrics, with the exception of f**king Determined. And I think the song World so Cold is one of thier best, lol.
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Dude, Mudvayne are totally prog. They wear makeup and stuff like Peter Gabriel. That means they are prog.
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OK people, not a Blind Guardian discussion thread....
 
As for Mudvayne, LD 50 was a tight record, and I especially like the little fractal music interludes between some songs, and "Death Blooms" is one of my favorite nu-metal songs (placing right after most of the Deftones catalog).
 
LD 50 would have been a better record had they just run with that sound and experimented with it more...  if they added more atmospherics or technical passages and dropped some of the angst.
 
instead, they took to writing radio singles and ended up sounding like a watered down Pantera (if that's even possible).  YEAH SO f**kING DETERMINED YEAH YEAH  Dead
 
cmon.  Give me more riffs like the opening of Death Blooms and then we'll talk.
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Points: 21817 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 08:03
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:



Lapse of judgment.

I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!).Confused



"blending of power metal and power metal" ... not sure what you mean by that.Wink

What makes Nightfall a standout album is the intricate blend of Folk/Medieval music and Power Metal, the massive layering of tracks (vocals, guitars), the epic concept and the complex arrangements. Mirror Mirror is indeed not very complex in terms of structure ... but prog is not about trying to avoid 4/4 at all cost, and it's only one track of the album.
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Points: 11985 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 06:57
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Wow. Next thing you know, they'll add Blind Guardian.

At least I can take some solace in the fact that I don't think Mike likes Mudvayne and they will thus not be added.
 
The implication of your second paragraph here is disrespectful. Our collaborators work with impunity to add bands who they consider fit here, regardless of personal taste.


Lapse of judgment.

I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!).Confused

//EDIT: Back to Mudvayne, they're just not prog at all. I mean...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw7-NCFbog

Yeah guys, prog!LOL


Interesting, what's your opinion on Tool and Kansas being here?
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Wow. Next thing you know, they'll add Blind Guardian.

At least I can take some solace in the fact that I don't think Mike likes Mudvayne and they will thus not be added.
 
The implication of your second paragraph here is disrespectful. Our collaborators work with impunity to add bands who they consider fit here, regardless of personal taste.


Lapse of judgment.

I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!).Confused

//EDIT: Back to Mudvayne, they're just not prog at all. I mean...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw7-NCFbog

Yeah guys, prog!LOL


Edited by Gamemako - December 13 2007 at 04:44
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