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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Archives? I like that idea......in an alternate universe of an alternate universe.
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Drakk ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 340 |
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I myself actually like LD 50, it certainly is much more interesting than your typical metal fare, and I'm not one to limit myself to one genre. However, I don't really consider them "prog" in the sense of this site. They added some interesting elements to their music, mainly in LD 50, the bass work was superb and very tight. The lyrics were... well, in my opinion, laughable, taken out of context, but if you don't listen to them very carefully, they work well in the musc.
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
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Gamemako ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
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I think you can make a legitimate discussion of what they are, nu metal comments aside. From what I've heard, I wouldn't call them prog or even prog-related: they have occasional odd time signatures, but that aside, you're looking at fairly typical structures and sounds. If you have more evidence for them, I'm sure people wouldn't be too opposed to considering them for prog-related, but you'll need to make a case for them. I can't help or hinder much as my experience with them is somewhat limited. That, and nobody takes threads about the Arhives seriously. ![]() |
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Hail Eris!
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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Thirded. I have been all about Martinie since i discovered mudvayne in like 7th grade. I dont know if anyone has seen them live but Martini and the drummer (name? spud kudd spag? ) made that show worth going to. im trying to find a decent video of him on you tube |
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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L.D. 50 had some prog moments. Some adventure, some breaking the mold, and some very good bass-work. These elements, however, were quite watered-down on the next album and same thing (even more so) for the album after that.
If Mudvayne gets in than so should Slipknot because their latest one had a bunch of weird, psuedo proggy stuff in it too. |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Well, actually they are Math-rock, but with all these pompous prog snobs cutting the topic starter down, I suppose I will also be getting snickered at for even concurring with the guy a little. I do consider them prog., Like I said, "Math Rock", but I don't think Prog Archives will add them because too many people think Mudvayne is just "Nu-Metal" garbage, which they are not.
I would also like to add, however, that I agree with what was said earlier; I think it can get a bit absurd when people start suggesting clearly generic and sound-alike bands to be included as "prog". I just happen to agree with the Mudvayne suggestion, oddly enough. Someone else recently suggested 30 Seconds to Mars (or maybe it was the same person?) and all I can say to a suggesion like that is . . . WHAT? But at least with Mudvayne there is merrit and reason behind the man's suggestion. I even think the band themselves have stated that they are math rock? I could be wrong, though . . .
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Sckxyss ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 05 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1319 |
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TheProgtologist ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
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Agreed.Not only Martinie but Mudvayne's rhythm section on the whole is superb.
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1800iareyay ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492 |
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I can't wait to hear Ryan Martinie somewhere else. He's maybe the best new bassist to emerge in the 21st century, but I can't really get behind Mudvayne.
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~Rael~ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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What is so funny? I'm missing something here.
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I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . .
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moreitsythanyou ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
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heyitsthatguy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
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I thought it was Omar who said that
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Harry Hood ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1305 |
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"Hi, we're Mudvanye" - Cedric Zavala
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heyitsthatguy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
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Dig makes me lol
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~Rael~ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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Thanks for giving me reasons man, I understand.
I like all their albums, and even though LD50 seems to be the fan favorite, I like all ofthem, and think thier sound has grown. I really disagree with them having bad lyrics, with the exception of f**king Determined. And I think the song World so Cold is one of thier best, lol.
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I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . .
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Arsillus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7374 |
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Dude, Mudvayne are totally prog. They wear makeup and stuff like Peter Gabriel. That means they are prog.
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GoldenSpiral ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
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OK people, not a Blind Guardian discussion thread....
As for Mudvayne, LD 50 was a tight record, and I especially like the little fractal music interludes between some songs, and "Death Blooms" is one of my favorite nu-metal songs (placing right after most of the Deftones catalog).
LD 50 would have been a better record had they just run with that sound and experimented with it more... if they added more atmospherics or technical passages and dropped some of the angst.
instead, they took to writing radio singles and ended up sounding like a watered down Pantera (if that's even possible). YEAH SO f**kING DETERMINED YEAH YEAH
![]() cmon. Give me more riffs like the opening of Death Blooms and then we'll talk.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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"blending of power metal and power metal" ... not sure what you mean by that. ![]() What makes Nightfall a standout album is the intricate blend of Folk/Medieval music and Power Metal, the massive layering of tracks (vocals, guitars), the epic concept and the complex arrangements. Mirror Mirror is indeed not very complex in terms of structure ... but prog is not about trying to avoid 4/4 at all cost, and it's only one track of the album. |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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Interesting, what's your opinion on Tool and Kansas being here? |
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Gamemako ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
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Lapse of judgment. I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!). ![]() //EDIT: Back to Mudvayne, they're just not prog at all. I mean... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw7-NCFbog Yeah guys, prog! ![]() Edited by Gamemako - December 13 2007 at 04:44 |
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Hail Eris!
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