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    Posted: November 17 2013 at 03:37
I think you can call those artists psychedelic with a small p but not a big one, if you catch my drift.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 10:38
^ and again in the 80s
 
What are peoples' thoughts on Neo-Psychedelia?
 
It is one genre that we rarely mention here, mainly I guess because it was never a stand-alone subgenre as such with all the bands that were/are tagged as being neo-psychedelic were associated more with established subgenres such as post-punk, dream pop/shoe-gazing, baroque pop, etc. Obviously bands like XTC made a specific point of distinguishing their "day jobs" from their psych excursions as The Dukes of The Stratosphere, while others (such as Kula Shaker and World of Twist) wore their influences proudly and unashamedly. Even Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure and The Mission dipped a gothic toe in the psych pool.
 
Porcupine Tree began as a neo-psych band with Tarquin's Seaweed Farm, Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape and On The Sunday of Life before moving on to more progressive pastures, but very few other neo-psych bands made that transition.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 09:40
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but different time ;-) Psychedelic was raging in the second part of the sixties, prog-rock was raging in the seventies...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2013 at 03:11
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Psychedelic
 
Progressive
 
 
Same guitarist btw..........
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Psychedelic
 
Progressive
 
Same band Cool
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2013 at 23:16
Psychedelic music is music that attempts to musically recreate and/or resembles the effects of a drug trip, usually through psychedelics such as LSD or Shrooms, but sometimes other drugs, such as Marijuana. This is usually done through making odd, non-musical noises, backwards recordings, playing and singing in a very relaxed style, playing and singing in a hypnotic fashion, etc, all in a rock context. Surreal, cryptic, and sometimes mystical lyrics are often included, as well.

Progressive rock is a fairly broad genre, but it's generally music that takes musical attributes normally not in rock and puts it in a rock context, such as odd time signatures, non-traditional chord progressions, long running times, etc. It also often has grand, often philosophical lyrics and has been home to many a concept album.

I think they're pretty easy to tell apart.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2013 at 22:47
Psychedelic
 
Progressive
 
 
Same guitarist btw..........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 15:23
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Jon Anderson often said that he was influenced by Simon & Garfunkel. Some people have a difficult time digesting this. Simon and Garfunkel recorded a more darker Folk style ..lyrically and musicially. Lyrically..the songs were about death and misfortune. Musically they were in dark minor keys with odd open string tunings or usage of capos. Yes have more of thAT American Folk influence than pure American Psychedelic fuzz tone guitar with Vanilla Fudge organ. The details are there to see...it just takes a little focus and patience. 

People think of Simon & Garfunkel and only consider the massive hits but there was a lot more there.  Their 1968 album "Bookends" is very prog to my ears.  It begins with a solo guitar piece (like Crimso's Poseidon album) includes one of the first appearances on album of the Moog modular synth (patched by Bob Moog himself!), the song "America" which Yes of course covered, bizarre interviews with old people (very similar to the Godspeed You Black Emporer song  "Sleep - They Don't Sleep on the Beach Anymore"), and closes side 1 with a restatement of the opening solo guitar piece (like Crimso repeating variations of "Peace" throughout the Poseidon album).  Side 2 has some odd pieces along with the mega-hit Mrs Robinson.  S&G are a lot more musically interesting than history has painted them out to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 14:53
and then came Sabbath and changed things even more,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 14:33
In Turn on Your Mind, a book about psychedelic music's history that I'm reading right now, the author (his name is Jim Derogatis) pins the difference on the amount of influence from classical music. Basically, progressive rock has to have classical influence in how the songs are constructed but the psychedelic doesn't necessarily.

He's somewhat inconsistent about how to apply those definitions, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:29
i def need one of those.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:21
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 11:22
Psychedelic is 

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..And Prog is everything else, including the kitchen sink.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 10:43
What an odd question. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 10:22
Weird lyrics about bikes and a wah-wah pedal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 10:09
Psychedelic music originated in the sixties and spawned the prog subgenres of krautrock and spacerock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2013 at 09:27
Obviously you won't hear how Psychedelic music influenced Prog by choosing just any Psychedelic album at random or recommended to you because of the artist's popularity in the mad times. Ozric Tentacles were influenced by Hawkwind, Gong, and Steve Hillage. Hawkwind and Gong...Daevid Allen were influenced by Syd Barrett to a degree and Syd Barrett was influenced by American Psychedelic bands like The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, and whoknows what else? The Doors used a backdrop of screaming voices in Hell, a strange swirly harpsichord key setting...to back Morrison's poetry in "Horse Latitudes". Very Pink Floyd. Jefferson Airplane recorded a song titled "Lather" on the Crown of Creation album and it not only sounded like a Syd Barrett song, but it contained a style of mixing sound effects between lyrical content ..just as you would hear on a Floyd track like "Juila Dream" (Roger Waters). The influence of Psychedelic is more evident in "Space Rock" or "Krautrock".
 
Bands like Yes, Genesis, and King Crimson are less Psychedelic regarding tones, time signatures, remain more in a Classical vain, covering up their small usage of sound effects ..although their attempt to change the speed of voices on tape, some usage of strings..for example on Yes' "The Prophet" is still more in a Moody Blues style if anything and all derives from the British Psychedelic genre more than the American. If any British musician took an influence from American Psychedelic, it was changed around and crafted to sound differently and it is hard to indicate. Jon Anderson often said that he was influenced by Simon & Garfunkel. Some people have a difficult time digesting this. Simon and Garfunkel recorded a more darker Folk style ..lyrically and musicially. Lyrically..the songs were about death and misfortune. Musically they were in dark minor keys with odd open string tunings or usage of capos. Yes have more of thAT American Folk influence than pure American Psychedelic fuzz tone guitar with Vanilla Fudge organ. The details are there to see...it just takes a little focus and patience. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2013 at 00:10
Originally posted by JellySucker JellySucker wrote:

For me, Psychedelic Rock was the root for Prog, it kind of influenced how things worked on Prog music such as the composition, melodies, etc
For me it's jazz and, well... rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2013 at 23:51
For me, Psychedelic Rock was the root for Prog, it kind of influenced how things worked on Prog music such as the composition, melodies, etc
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2012 at 15:46
The spelling!
Haiku

Writing a poem
With seventeen syllables
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