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    Posted: October 01 2005 at 18:03

Theres nothing new about people trying to get The Who added to the prog archives. These request have have been countered by people saying that the Who are hard rock, They weren't called progressive back then so they sholdn't be today, Roger Daltrey vocals aren't wierd enough, blah, blah blah..................

Lets  just look at there credentials:

  • Lets start out by showing how they defined the concept album. They made 3. Actual concept albums, nut just albums with long songs like close to the edge. The Who Sell Out is possibly the first true concept album. Then Tommy brought the concept album to new heights, having one album tell a story. Quadrophenia, also rock opera, brought new horizons to music.
  • They killed the 3 minute long pop song. A Quick One that is. By different different movements, they made the first rock suite. If it weren't for this song, all songs could possibly still be 3 minutes long. It also allowed for the stellar length of prog tracks. If songs never evolved past 3 minute long singles, prog never would exist. Plus, just listen to the amazing vocal harmonies in that track. Amazing.
  • These guys weren't afraid to go into long instrumentals. Underture. Sea and Sand. Very few bands in 1969 actually put 10 minute long instrumentals in there albums. To this day I cant name one. Sure, there were enless jams in concert by Cream and the Grateful Dead, but how about a structured, composed instrumental put to recording. King Crimson probably thought of these guys.
  • They are great musicians. Townsend is a great guitarist, keyboardist, compser, and songwriter. The Ox is possibly the greatest bassist of all time. Moonie may have been crazy on drums, but he was still a virtuoso. Townsend is also an amazing arranger. Just listen to the albums.
  • They most certainly were pioneers in electrical instrumentation. The double synthesizer in Baba O'Riely is amazing, and as you may know was inspired by Avant Garde composer Terry Riley. How many just plain old rock bands had those kind of influences? Definetely not Grand Funk Railroad or Alice Cooper. Quadrophenia has some of the most creative use of synthesizers I have ever heard. I dare say they may rival ELP when it comes to this instrument.

The only reason the who may not qualify is they (as far as I know) didn't use wierd time signatures. They may have, but I don't know of any.

So, should the who be added?

Yes. But they belong in the same category Queen, Deep Purple, and Roxy Music  and there likes belong in. A new category for bands that are progressive but don't belong in the genre. I don't care what you call it.

P.s.: I know there have been similar topics.

P.s.s: I went to far with Led Zeppelin. They have don't nearly have the creindtials these guys have.

P.s.s.s: I know they started with r'n'b roots. So did Jethro Tull.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 18:58
i completely agree with you but im only the first to respond
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 19:00
I would agree with above too
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 19:03
Along with the credentials you so aptly cite Wizard, if Deep purple, Queen and Uriah Heep are here, it is only logical and consistent that The Who be here as well.

Who is Prog?

No, Yes is Prog.

if you are listening
in the moon’s shadow
is a rock glistening?
Have your fields gone fallow?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 19:28

You should add the Rolling Stones, DOORS also. Stones recorded the epic 11 minute jam on Aftermath,"going home" a full three years before Tommy. Doors idebut in 1966 was a masterpiece, and definitly pushed the boundries in a new direction. I agree that the WHO or at least Townsend took to the synth in a way that not many other blues rockers did. But had Brian Jones stayed as a vital member of the Stones, you would have seen a whole different group then what we have now.

The WHO are a great old band,but I do not believe they belong in the archives, of course I do not think Queen does either. Deep Purple is quite a stretch also.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 19:34

I suggest that it is most important to focus on progressive bands that are not in the archives, instead of considering non-progressive bands like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin, etc.

I know it's interesting to discuss about it and to make clear the nature of their music, but there are many bands out there that are really prog and are not included here. Let me mention a few of them:

Jan Akkerman / Martin Barre / Jeff Beck / Chick Corea Electric Band / Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade / Colonel Claypool's Bucket Of Bernie Brains / Larry Coryell / Garage A Trois / Jacob's Dream / Jing Chi / King's X / Pat Metheny / Doug Pinnick (from King's X) / Jean Luc Ponty / Racer X / Rare Blend / John Scofield / Steve Smith & Vital Information / Mike Stern / Ty Tabor / Tribal Tech / etc.

Think about that....

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 19:40

Prog Related

Thats what its there for..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 19:42
Originally posted by Don Quito Don Quito wrote:


Jan Akkerman / Martin Barre / Jeff Beck / Chick Corea Electric Band / Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade / Colonel Claypool's Bucket Of Bernie Brains / Larry Coryell / Garage A Trois / Jacob's Dream / Jing Chi / King's X / Pat Metheny / Doug Pinnick (from King's X) / Jean Luc Ponty / Racer X / Rare Blend / John Scofield / Steve Smith & Vital Information / Mike Stern / Ty Tabor / Tribal Tech / etc.


 



amazing list!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 20:08
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Prog Related

Thats what its there for..

It's were we should put the who. We just need someone brave enough.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 20:41
Well, given that The Who were the first ones to make a popular concept album, they probably should at least be under prog-related. I'd say they were Proto-Prog, but that's a bit of a stretch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 20:59

WE MUST ADD THE WHO TO THE PROG ARCHIVES!!!!!!!!!!

if it weren't for them prog wouldn't exist.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:01
In a band and lived within a ten mile radius of a guy who once lived next to somebody who was in a prog band ? welcome to prog archives ....... who next,thats right,its the who next
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:08

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

In a band and lived within a ten mile radius of a guy who once lived next to somebody who was in a prog band ? welcome to prog archives ....... who next,thats right,its the who next

Please explain to me why the Who aren't prog in a sensible way. You people need to more liberal in what you consider progressive music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:12
if i went into my local record store in the 60s 70s 80 90s or whever THE WHO WOULD NOT BE IN THE PROGRESSIVE SECTION THATS WHY - they are ROCK as in R-O-C-K
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:13
You people



i ain't "You people" i am ME
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:46

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 21:49
Hard to say....'Quadrophenia' is without doubt a masterpiece concept album, so THAT album alone should be in here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2005 at 23:24
They would be categorized under Prog Related if they even get on here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2005 at 00:47

Zeppelin is far better than The Who... in every way

but The Who is pretty progressive

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2005 at 01:28
progressive, yes.

prog rock?  perhaps.  but not definitely.

quadrophenia is definitely prog, tho.
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