opeth decadence

el böthy wrote: This may be a stupid question, but the only thing that keeps Opeth from being a band that I really like is the growing so, is there maybe an album where the growing is lets say, not that present?

Definitely get Damnation, there's no growling on that album at all, as The Miracle already said.

Then, I'd check out Ghost Reveries. There are some songs on that album with no growling, and some with minimal growling, and when there is growling, it fits really well. If you're still put off by it, at least listen to the songs with clean vocals, and then let the others grow on you. It's certainly an acquired taste, but once you get used to it, you'll definitely appreciate the band's music a lot more.


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This may be a stupid question, but the only thing that keeps Opeth from being a band that I really like is the growing so, is there maybe an album where the growing is lets say, not that present?

Opeth are as prog as they come and GR is an incredible album... best to worst scale...

BEST

- Blackwater Park
- My Arms Your Hearse
- Still Life
- Ghost Reveries
- Deliverance
- Damnation
- Morningrise
- Orchid

WORST

NB i think all albums are great and at least 4 stars and above each, just my order of preferance.

i agree with you.

one of these days i will try to write a review of this album, if i am able to put down all what i think about it, and without leaving a complete mess of feelings and ideas, as i have done it in this forum.

Well, although i have seen that my opinion seems to be the only one in this direction, i would like to say some things about:

I have been listening opeth since they released "Still Life" and i really LOVE their music. I do not have any favourite album because all of them are superb. And it is because of that that i have enjoyed them so much that i can't see any real progression in their music with "ghost reveries" album. But probably this impression is so personal and could be influenced by a huge personal factors that may be this opinion, from the beguinning, should not have been published here. I mean that it is a personal feeling on that could be related to many other factors.

I know thah Opeth plays progressive music, that's quite obvious. But i also think that "prog" is not a constant element in their style, such as in the case of symphony x, for instance. They go far beyond of that and i love it. This is what i meant when i fas talking about levaing the "debate field opened".

Well, i don't think it is easy to explain, but the "problem" that i find with "ghost reveries" is that i think opeth have introduced some "school-progressive" elements, elements that they only insinuated before, which have made a non-fresh album. i find that they already repeat themselves. The feeling that i had the 1st time i listened to it was some kind of... "ok, i know i've heard that before"  and i thought i was never going to think like that about opeth, who always had surprised me whith their new albums. With the last one, i haven't felt the same. As you see this is a very personal opinion, and i don't understand how can it be qualifed as "idiot", as i have seen (anyway i won't answer to those kind of "wise" interventions)

I have listened to the album and don't like it. I don't know really the reasons why. Maybe cannot be explained here, although i would be able to do it in an oral conversation... 

i've find it very curious that no one have noticed the same same as me in "ghost reveries", and i will think about it.

Arsillus wrote: Ed_The_Dead wrote: Arsillus wrote: King of Loss wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion ... but apparently most people think it's their best album, and I'm one of them. I can hear absolutely NO Dream Theater elements in Ghost Reveries ... some Tool, some Dead Soul Tribe maybe ... but definitely no Dream Theater. Why don't you write a review? Or maybe you should give it some more time ... I don't know how long you've been listening to the album.  Well said, Mike. How is Opeth not a Progressive Metal band? After hearing all the hype about these guys, what would you say is a good album to start on, King of Loss? I'm becoming.....interested in them. Ya like extreme metal or art rock? Try Damnation & Blackwater Park (pond) maybe... Thanks.

Just so you know that Damnation is a departure for Opeth.Steven Wilson produced Blackwater Park,Deliverance and Damnation and also contributes some vocals,guitars and mellotron and piano to those albums.Damnation shows a huge Wilson influence IMO.Very melodic and not a death metal growl to be found on the whole album.A very good album,just different from their others.

And to the topic creator,you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with you.Ghost Reveries is the best thing Opeth have done and I think it is very progressive.

I consider Opeth Progressive Death Metal, which of course would be a kind of prog. Another death metal band that has prog elements is Children of Bodom, who are known as "progressive melodic death metal" however the main prog stuff they have is the keyboard/guitar solos.

On the subject of prog metal bands, anyone heard into Internity? They have a number of different styles, but they have some prog in them!

Luke

I meant Progressive DEATH, they say they are HEAVILY influenced by Morbid Angel (Death!)

Not much into DEATH/BLACK but I love OPETH

Progslut wrote: My definition of Opeth = progressive BLACK metal, not prog metal... ...But Opeth is a unique band - nothing sounds like Opeth...

they're more death than black

sabian wrote: First of all, i would like to wonder if Opeth are a really prog band. I think that they have such elements in their music in order to admit their progressiveness, but the discussion field could remain open, as well, because i sill see them as a death metal band more than a prog band. Anyway, i would like to comment that opeth have ceased to be in their last album, which i do find it completely boring, and which it shows a full lack of inspiration. In my personal opinion, it seems that they have abandoned their absolutely great style of playing metal (i think they have been the best metal band in the last 15 years) in order to put a lot of "dream theater" elements in their music that... doesn't suit them. I am not against style evolution and those things, but my impression about opeht's new release is that they've lost their "surpriseness" and "freshness", if we compare "Ghost reveries" with any of their predecesors... I comment all this because i have only seen excellent reviews about their last album here, and the question is that i am afraid that it is their worst work ever.

your opinion is balls