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tdreamer 
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 Posted: June 29 2006 at 09:22 |
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Isn't it quite strange that this album (ATTW3) sold better than any previous Genesis album. Maybe it was because Follow You Follow Me was a hit. IMO it is the last great record they done. I like it more than Duke and appart from two songs thought Abacab was dire. I can listen to Genesis post ATTW3 but IMO they lost the spark they had. My wife likes this album very much too and she doesn't like prog all that much.
My personal opinion on ATTW3 is that it is a very deep and dark album that is ideal for winding down to.
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Posted: June 29 2006 at 08:56 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 29 2006 at 05:33 |
^ Indeed, bloody keyboards!!  Fragile: There is plenty of guitar on ATTWT. In fact Rutherford emulates Hacketts style quite well in places I thought, although I would concede the band did really miss Hackett. The strength of this album is the songs themselves; the melodies and the atmosphere. Try to imagine the production being more like 'WAW' and dropping a few of the weaker tracks and you would have an album comparable in quality to 'WAW' IMO. Yes, I'm enjoying Olias at the moment. It's taken me a while though. The production sounds well ahead of its time.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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richardh
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Posted: June 29 2006 at 02:14 |
 Fragile wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Fragile wrote:
Absoloute drivel. |
Thankyou for that insight. Would you care to expand on this a little??
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Being foolish yes I can - how's about pathetic.Genesis died on this album when keyboards replaced Steve Hackett's guitar leads.The songs were grossly inferior and the writing was on the prog wall; Genesis were no more and coming to a cinema near you soon a totally pop ridden version of a once giant of progressive music.Collins and his two other cohorts disgust me.
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Damn those pesky keyboards,the bane of progressive rock 
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 21:17 |
Soul Dreamer wrote:
Fragile wrote:
Absoloute drivel. |
I agree.
When I got this album in 1978 I knew an Era had passed. Genesis were not Genesis anymore, & never were again. |
Agree.
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 21:17 |
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Not a masterpiece by any stretch... but the synth solo in Down And Out OWNS, and Many Too Many and The Lady Lies are solid songs too, IMO.
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Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams;
Mind and machinery box-press our dreams
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 21:16 |
70sSoundquality wrote:
WHAT A GREAT ALBUM. My favorite Genesis piece!!
A+++++++++ |
nah
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mrgd
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 21:12 |
TO JOOLZ:
' Had it been released by anyone else then it would probably be considered a masterpiece.'
Well, if not a masterpiece, certainly a very, very good prog. release. I agree wholeheartedly with your views and, get quite dismayed at the attitude expressed by FRAGILE and others.
"Collins and his two other cohorts disgust me" ....... WHAT THE......?
This is either unhealthily bitter and twisted or a contrived comment designed to provoke unfavourable responses and therefore repugnant to the PA ethos. We all understand the ' sold out' argument. It's been debated ad nauseam. FRAGILE must renounce all earlier GENESIS work in which Collins, Banks and Rutherford were involved if this really is the strength of his/her convictions on the matter. That's a matter for him/her.
This is a thread about ATTW3 which if it continues in this vein is no doubt in danger of being shut down which would be a shame as it has raised some interesting debate imo.
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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Fragile
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 19:26 |
Blacksword wrote:
Fragile wrote:
Absoloute drivel. |
Thankyou for that insight. Would you care to expand on this a little??
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Being foolish yes I can - how's about pathetic.Genesis died on this album when keyboards replaced Steve Hackett's guitar leads.The songs were grossly inferior and the writing was on the prog wall; Genesis were no more and coming to a cinema near you soon a totally pop ridden version of a once giant of progressive music.Collins and his two other cohorts disgust me.
But great to see you listening to Olias of Sunhillow a truly stupendous album.
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Joolz
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 18:26 |
Teaflax wrote:
Liquid Len wrote:
I wish I had a choice for my favourite 'Phil era'
album, apart from Trick I can't stand any of them, with W&W being
truely awful!! |
Odd. I find TotT and WaW to be two peas in a pod
(except that Trick doesn't have anything quite as banal Your Own
Special Way on it).
Eleventh Earl of Mar, Wot Gorilla and the closing trio from Unqiet
Slumbers to Afterglow is as good as almost anything he band has ever
done, even counting Gabriel era. And Blood on the Rooftops is a
Phil-led Genesis ballad done right - certainly better than Ripples on
TotT.
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 this sequence is absolutely stunning - definitely high on my top ten Genesis. I like both TotT and WaW a lot, always have. I also agree that And Then There Were Three is an excellent album in its own right with some top notch songs, just without the overt progginess. Had it been released by anyone else then it would probably be considered a masterpiece!
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 18:06 |
Liquid Len wrote:
I wish I had a choice for my favourite 'Phil era'
album, apart from Trick I can't stand any of them, with W&W being
truely awful!! |
Odd. I find TotT and WaW to be two peas in a pod
(except that Trick doesn't have anything quite as banal Your Own
Special Way on it).
Eleventh Earl of Mar, Wot Gorilla and the closing trio from Unqiet
Slumbers to Afterglow is as good as almost anything he band has ever
done, even counting Gabriel era. And Blood on the Rooftops is a
Phil-led Genesis ballad done right - certainly better than Ripples on
TotT.
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Liquid Len
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 17:22 |
necromancing777 wrote:
My favorite Phil era studio albums in order:
1- A Trick of the Tail
2- Wind & Wuthering
3- Duke
4- And Then There Were Three
5- Abacab
6- Genesis
7- Invisible Touch
8- We Can't Dance
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I wish I had a choice for my favourite 'Phil era' album, apart from Trick I can't stand any of them, with W&W being truely awful!!
Edited by Liquid Len - June 28 2006 at 17:38
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Can you tell me where my country lies?
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 15:29 |
pero wrote:
He became a lead singer on "Trick of a tail" as I know. |
Correct. Fine album. 
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rupert
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 13:56 |
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Hailin' "And then there were three" is definately something I can agree with... it's a wonderful album with beautiful songs, some of them ranking among the very best Genesis ever did ( Undertow !!! ), to me, it's the last "great prog"-Album they did, although anyone can easily complain about the absence of Steve Hackett... see, he may have been right with "Wind and Wuthering", to me it's a rather tired ( not tedious ) Album that could have been better ( Inside & Out on it and it WERE ! ), but "ATTWT" is great and powerful...
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pero
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 05:16 |
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He became a lead singer on "Trick of a tail" as I know.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 05:14 |
Royalist wrote:
Prog-man wrote:
W&W... GREAT ALBUM!
NOT THE BEST OF THE COLLINS ERA (SECONDS OUT, W&W & ATOTT WERE MORE PROGRESSSIVE). |
Collins era begins with Nursery Cryme! |
'Collins era' refers to when Phil Collins became lead singer. Not when he joined the band.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Royalist
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 04:48 |
Prog-man wrote:
W&W... GREAT ALBUM!
NOT THE BEST OF THE COLLINS ERA (SECONDS OUT, W&W & ATOTT WERE MORE PROGRESSSIVE). |
Collins era begins with Nursery Cryme!
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pero
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Posted: June 28 2006 at 04:08 |
Abbacab  
Duke
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necromancing777
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Posted: June 27 2006 at 20:48 |
clairvoyant wrote:
What if you combined And Then There Were Three and Duke.
So from ATTWT you could try
Down And Out
Snowbound
Burning Rope
Deep In The Motherlode
The Lady Lies
Duke you could put in
Duchess
Guide Vocal (just cause it fits in with the suite)
Heathaze
Cul-de-sac
Duke's Travels
Duke's End
and if you really wanted to, Behind the Lines
But I'd dig that album
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I've tried something similar to this before, don't know if it works but I understand the desire to "re-edit". I think ATTW3 and Duke are good enough to stand on their own merits. I feel ABACAB is where the wheels start to come off. Half of ABACAB is good, but the rest could have been on a PC solo album (ex: No Reply At All, Man On The Corner). Try listening to ABACAB but adding "Submarine", "Naminau", and "Paperlate". It's then that you realize what ABACAB might have been, thus for me, making it the last true Genesis album before "That's All", "In Too Deep", "Jesus He Knows Me" and the like came to pollute the airwave of AOR FM radio stations wordwide (making millionaires of the "three" mentioned in the title of ATTW3). Poor Mr. Hackett, if he could've only held out for a few more years, he'd have a couple of extra Jaguars in the garage too! 
Edited by necromancing777 - June 27 2006 at 20:50
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tdreamer
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Posted: June 27 2006 at 12:05 |
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I much prefer ATTW3 to anything that followed. Duke is an OK album but it marked the biggest change in their sound and song structure.
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