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Andrea Cortese 
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 Posted: July 14 2006 at 12:23 |
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I don't want to disagree with you Peter, your statements are rational but:
why the music that someone likes IS currently listed in the site, even if it is by the most part considered non prog at all?
That's the main problem. INCONSINTENCY of the rules, sometimes applied and sometimes not. That's hardly can be accepted.
That said, I disagree with the people that say The Doors and Led Zeppelin have nothing to do with prog. Edited by Andrea Cortese - July 14 2006 at 12:24 |
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Peter
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 12:17 |
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"progressive tendencies" WTF is THAT?
"at least as prog as the Queen" -- this is how the site gets irreparably watered-down, and twisted beyond recognition. Every non-prog addition, and re-classification of an old non prog act leads to the call for still more such.
Really folks, "progressive" just means "good," right?
 *@#@! 100% of 70s rock is arguably "prog related," it would seem!
 Give it a rest with the old rock bands! The prog bands from that era are ALREADY HERE! (Concentrate on adding newer acts, not re-classifying old ones!)
I saw all this coming -- hate to say "I told you so," but I (and many others as well) told you so!
Sting next! Edited by Peter Rideout - July 14 2006 at 12:18 |
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Peter
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 12:06 |
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Every such questionable addition leads to pressure to include perhaps three more non-prog artists.
Please change the site's name to "Progcetera," as I've requested, and please redefine "prog" to simply mean 'good."
 (Only half joking -- "prog related" remains the most bogus, troublesome category we have here.)
Hendrix, Cream, Mountain, Grand Funk & Robin Trower next!
Seriously, why must all the music we like (especially 70s rock) eventually get listed here, on a prog site?
I don't see the need!It never ends!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 11:51 |
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Erik, you're right! If a rule exists then it should be always applied.
The Doors have more than a prog tendency and Led Zeppelin are as prog as (more in my humble opinion), at least, the Queen. Edited by Andrea Cortese - July 14 2006 at 11:54 |
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erik neuteboom
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Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: July 14 2006 at 10:20 |
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Well, Snowdog, I would like to say this: we are invited to set up threads in order to vote for inclusions but I have never seen such a thread about The Beatles. In my opinion this is arranged by Max so the one moment we are a kind of democracy, the other moment Max is the one who orders inclusions ...
My problem is that ELO, Radiohead and Talk Talk are included but way more rock rooted bands with progressive tendencies like The Doors and Led Zeppelin are excluded, this is injustice and very inconsequent
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Joolz
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:45 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:43 |
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Not at all Erik. I know you have had problems writing Bios etc, only to find bands you are working on being added without your knowledge and I truly sympathise. But at no time can I see that there has been any intention of democracy here. No one has ever claimed it to be a democracy! |
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:06 |
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Sorry Snowdog, I am from the wrong planet ...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:30 |
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Why the hell are you bringing democracy into this? Who says that there needs to be as democracy? Now that would be a mistake! |
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:04 |
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The native North-American indian would say about this topic and the PA policy: "White man speaks with two tongues!" ..
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S Lang
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Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: July 14 2006 at 04:56 |
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Further to that, I'd like to see the inclusion of Led Zeppelin, Free, Bad Company, Paul Rodgers, John McLaughlin, Miles Davis - and for Heaven's sake - Jimi Hendrix, along with Cream and others resisted.
Progressive is not a word to be hijacked for a personal interpretation, it was a MOVEMENT, not a style back then in the early '70's!
Many contributing to the Archives weren't even born at the time when I was having untold pleasure at listening to Progressive Music, something that's resisted here.
(Besides, Robert Plant's use of his voice alone would qualify the band!) Edited by S Lang - July 14 2006 at 05:14 |
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S Lang
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 04:49 |
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This is no longer Prog with Queen, Talk Talk, blah, blah, blah, this is becoming of a farce !
(Tony R. For my sincere opinions/observations in the past I now find myself no longer a Special Collaborator, but a Prog Reviewer instead. I expect another pulling up, but the Archives are not living up to what's expected these days. It now seems like a vehicle for a handful of opinionated individuals, with the rest of contributors are only being used for, or against justification. Not pretty.)
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Guests
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 06:38 |
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Of course Led Zeppelin belongs in the archives. Not even a matter of discussion. End.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 06:26 |
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I found this quote here in this thread, it's from our chief Max:
"Led Zep won't be accepted ,
but THE BEATLES -- Yes (with special mention why they should be...) ! "My conclusion: "Democracy rules here on Prog Archives ...
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S Lang
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 05:30 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 21:59 |
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A firm no to anything except maybe prog-related. I don't think they had any significant influence on prog at all.
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Bryan
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 21:48 |
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To me they're exactly the type of band the prog-related section was invented for...
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jj1414
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:19 |
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Zep deserves to be there! Bump, to this thread!
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 22 2005 at 17:32 |
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I guess I was wrong about Zep and I admit, they had some prog songs, but a few sons isn't enough to get the band added. For the most part they were a very instumentally tight blues rock band.
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thrang theng
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 15:17 |
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It is the fourth topic about prog- no prog- proto prog- some prog related groups where I actively participate with my modest opinion. I think that above the consideration due to bands who really deservs our respect for the contribution they gave to music, such as Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple I consider the following: they are groups which evolved and developed their own language outside the Prog music. They were ricognised in their times as hard rock- heavy rock - blues rock etc.etc but not as prog. It is misleading to include them into the PROG Archive. Somewhere else some of you fellows stated this could be called ROCK Archive, but is not Sorry I don't credit it because I don't remember which thread was, but I agree. We are talking about prog.Please Discriminate it. There are good great bands which plays Blues Rock, Metal, Jazz, Fusion. We like them we love them. But here we talk about prog. It is a site which aim is stated as PROG ARCHIVES intends to be the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource As a resource it is meant to be a guide for who, like me and you loves this gendre. It is a way to know other bands, other music related to PROG. If we go on including everything we like it will become a MUSIC ENCYCOLPEDIA. Fine if the aim of the site is this, than change it. What I mean is just responsability of all of us to recognise the consistent PROGGines of a group and then propose and include it. Traces of PROG doesn't mean is a PROG group. Otherwise let's include all: for Time changes Soundgarden and System of a Down, Classical interpretations unusual instruments Apocaliptyca, In concert with Orchestra Metallica etc.etc. By the way I like all the music from those bands and I grown with Led Zep, it is just a matter that this is a PROG site. Again is my point of seeing. A related provocation: What do you think of John Paul Jones solo career? Is it ZOOMA a prog related album? I like it, is from DMG (Mr. Fripp's label) it features Trey Gunn on one track, it has strange sounds on two tracks, it features weird time signatures (listen to the closing track) it is all instrumental, I saw them on tour and they played on an unusual trio configuration (Drums, 10strings bass and Stick) Friendly yours
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