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    Posted: May 26 2007 at 14:26
I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.

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Wow you like The Nice better than ELP, great.

Did you start this to create an argument? Knowing there are a lot of ELP fans on the forum, pointless thread.

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The NICE made some nice music , but the musicianship of the rythm section was not on par with the quality of LAKE and PALMER.

and we can't compare the vocal abilities of Lee Jackson with Greg Lake. Therefore the guitarist David O'List when he was in the band was terrible.(listen to Rondo)
 
But they have great tunes such as ''Flower King Of Flies'' or ''The cry of Eugene'' . This band was there already playing in 1967 and sadly are often forgotten as they were also pioneers in prog as much as Pink Floyd, Soft Machine or Moddy Blues.
 
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Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

Wow you like The Nice better than ELP, great. Did you start this to create an argument? Knowing there are a lot of ELP fans on the forum, pointless thread.Close?


I'm beggining to. Anyway, I'm just sharing. ELP has some jewels, off course, but I'm currently enjoying that "innocent" factor that I was talking about.
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Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

The NICE made some nice music , but the musicianship of the rythm section was not on par with the quality of LAKE and PALMER.


and we can't compare the vocal abilities of Lee Jackson with Greg Lake. Therefore the guitarist David O'List when he was in the band was terrible.(listen to Rondo)
 

But they have great tunes such as ''Flower King Of Flies'' or ''The cry of Eugene'' . This band was there already playing in 1967 and sadly are often forgotten as they were also pioneers in prog as much as Pink Floyd, Soft Machine or Moddy Blues.

 


Agreed. Still, something about such flaws in rythm section and somewhat poor vocals sounds really fresh. The cry of eugene is one of my favourites.
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But it's obvious some idiot would've eventually came in and gone, 'OMFGZ WUT R U T4LK1N ABOU7 , ELP IS TEH ROX!!!111' and lo & behold, we have an argumentative thread. Bah humbug.
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Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

The NICE made some nice music , but the musicianship of the rhythm section was not on par with the quality of LAKE and PALMER.


and we can't compare the vocal abilities of Lee Jackson with Greg Lake. Therefore the guitarist David O'List when he was in the band was terrible.(listen to Rondo)
 

But they have great tunes such as ''Flower King Of Flies'' or ''The cry of Eugene'' . This band was there already playing in 1967 and sadly are often forgotten as they were also pioneers in prog as much as Pink Floyd, Soft Machine or Moddy Blues.

 


Agreed. Still, something about such flaws in rhythm section and somewhat poor vocals sounds really fresh. The cry of Eugene is one of my favourites.
 
I prefer ELP by far, but I know what you mean. There is a certain innocence and naivety about some of the early stuff.
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The Nice were excellent, and didnt do any ballads (that I know of) which Lake seemed to do on nearly every album....
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Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

 
But they have great tunes such as ''Flower King Of Flies'' or ''The cry of Eugene'' . This band was there already playing in 1967 and sadly are often forgotten as they were also pioneers in prog as much as Pink Floyd, Soft Machine or Moody Blues.
 


Check the Soft Machine's Middle Earth Tapes recorded mostly in 1967 but only released last year by Cuneiform, and you'll discover Mike Ratledge was startlingly ahead musically, improv, playing, etc.  than any of the other British underground keyboard players of the time. As Ratledge and Emerson would have mostly likely known each other - Nice backed Ratledge's wife to be, I believe  - I not surprised Emerson had to stick daggers in his keyboards.......Wink
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Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.
 
For such a perfectionist, he certainly fudges quite a lot of notes in some of the ELP stuff, I've noticed Wink
 
I'm quite a fan of the Nice, though - for the same basic reason; That the music is more "innocent" - they didn't really know what they were trying to achieve, but they were having a damned good time doing it.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.
 
For such a perfectionist, he certainly fudges quite a lot of notes in some of the ELP stuff, I've noticed Wink
 
 
 
Must be just you then.
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My friend's dad is a massive nice fan, but he wouldnt touch ELP with a barge poll. Personally i dont take either seriously enough to come to a conclusion. both are fun and a quaint example of late 60's/ 70's indulgence. nothing to lose sleep over.    
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I think I prefer the Nice, but ELP's first few albums are great listens too.



 
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Points: 65919 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 01:23
LOVE the Nice.. first real Prog band... Flower King of Flies.. brilliant. Close this thread? Why? What are you talking about?









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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.
 
For such a perfectionist, he certainly fudges quite a lot of notes in some of the ELP stuff, I've noticed Wink
 
 
 
Must be just you then.
 
 
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Points: 2488 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 07:07
You could say the same about Yes. There's a certain roughness about their debut album which gives it a warmer feel than, say, FRAGILE. I find some of the tracks (e.g. "Beyond and Before", "Every little thing") thoroughly enjoyable.
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Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

The Nice were excellent, and didnt do any ballads (that I know of) which Lake seemed to do on nearly every album....
 
I don't think you listen to much of The Nice. Their albums had many ballads, 'Hang on to a Dream' being the most famous!
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I find The Nice's albums (save the debut, which holds up well as a cohesive statement, imho) to be rather hit and miss with rather poor vocals. However, they have their moments. But given the choice between these or ELP, it would simply have to be the latter for me. With the exception of 'Jeremy Bender' and 'Are You Ready Eddy', I like their first 5 albums in their entirety, pretty much.

As for Emerson's occasional 'bum notes', I don't let them bother me and IMHO, they add a certain raw edge to a band often dismissed as being clinical. I play keyboard myself, and whilst I can approximate or come close to some of what Rick Wakeman or Tony Banks are playing (by ear, at least- I haven't really read music since my keyboard lessons a fair while back), there is hardly anything of Emerson's that I can play...EmbarrassedLOL
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I agree with Cuncuna: I prefer the Nice. The fact is that they shared an attitude, a free, cosmopolitan, light and anarchic one, you could find in England at the end of the 1960s, the years of "proto-progressive". From the same scene you can take also albums such as Traffic's "Mr Fantasy", Pink Floyd's "The Piper...", Small Faces' "Odgen Nut...", all testifying an era of great freedom and freshness, unprecedented and never really reached by other "scenes" (Punk, for instance, managed to regain the same anarchic approach, but gave up experimentation and cross-over influences, and that was a pity). Therefore, Jackson's harsh voice and the several "imperfections" you can find in the Nice make them a rock band in the true sense of this word. By the way, I don't think that Jackson (as a bass player) and Davidson are inferior to Lake and Palmer (they are different, but not inferior).
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