Coheed And Cambria: The real reasons !!!

progismylife wrote: I don't think BaldFriede is being silly. She brings up a good point.

about my " David Hasselhoff/German musical taste" remark?

Yes you are insulting her integrity as a German. I would find it insulting if someone said something that says I'm stupid because other Americans did "enter national embarrassment here"

progismylife wrote: Yes you are insulting her integrity as a German. I would find it insulting if someone said something that says I'm stupid because other Americans did "enter national embarrassment here"

I don't particularly care about anyone's dignity as any nationality. Let's get back to Coheed, hmm?

I personally feel that Coheed blows. If someone would like to respond to that, then please lets have a discussion about the merits of this band, instead of a political correctness debate, which will not change the minds of anyone.

progismylife wrote: [QUOTE=Hirgwath] I personally feel that Coheed blows. If someone would like to respond to that, then please lets have a discussion about the merits of this band, instead of a political correctness debate, which will not change the minds of anyone.

Now I am offended because you said one of my favorite bands "blows." You dismissed a band using far from charming language. And you didn't even back it up.

That's against the rules.

Good points, I was merely trying to get straight to the heart of the matter. I use the word "blows" loosely, I like certain things about Coheed. Welcome Home was great. I own Good Apollo, and have listened to the whole thing several times.

And Shwang, you didn't really respond to the rest of my post, nor the post I made earlier, which went into a bit more depth about why I dislike Coheed. I did say "let's have a debate about the merits of Coheed." I did not simply state my opinion like it was fact. I was not being rude, I was using uncouth and blunt language.

I posted this review in the poll as well, but here it is:
Good Apollo IV Review
Keeping the Blade - I like this, as it sets the epic-drama tone for the rest of the CD very well. It's short, but it is quite beautiful.
Prog or Not?: Prog

Always and Never - Here begin the lyrics, and thus also my dislike for the band. Stupid Armory Wars...
Prog or Not?: Not particularly prog, but it reminds me of acoustic Pink Floyd (especially from various Wall Tracks, Wish You Were Here, and Pigs on the Wing)

Welcome Home - Absolutely wondrous track. This is heavy symph prog that reminds of neoclassical metal. The lyrics are, again, ridiculous and ungrammatical. Still, the track is absolutely the best on the CD.
Prog or Not?: Duh, Prog.

Ten Speed (Blah Blah Too Long Title) - Extremely catchy, and with some excellent guitar. This has very clear pop-rock influence, and it's basically an intricate punk song.
Prog or Not? Not, although I like it.

Crossing the Frame - Very reminscent of ska and pop-punk. It's, of course, a catchy tune. Lyrics are ambiguous to anyone who is uninformed about the Armory Wars (i.e. Me). But they're actually tolerable, and poetic in this song ("Casting quarters into wells that hold our dreams"). It's a shame I don't know who "Newo" is.
Prog or Not? Not.

Apollo I: The Writing Writer - Oh, darn, the lyrics have taken a turn back to amazing pomposity. The ambient synthesizers are the interesting feature on this track, and the music features a couple of cool time changes (Singing "Come on bitch why aren't you laughing now?" in 6:8 is a lot cooler than singing it in 4:4)
Prog or Not?: Prog

Once Upon Your Dead Body - A creepy pop track, with a very punk rock bass line boring the hell out of me throughout much of it ("Duh-duh-duh-duh"). No I will not drink "your chemical", Claudio. This is the first bad track on the album. The synthesizers at the end don't make it prog, they just make it pseudo-prog.
Prog or Not?: Not.

Wake Up - Yak. I can't even stand this. It's really touching that Claudio will kill anyone for his sweet-heart, but I really can't take the simpering vocals and repetitive sentimentality. The orchestra comes in at some point, but really, any one who wants to can add an orchestra to something, and it still won't be prog necessarily.
Prog or Not?: NOT.

The Suffering - Oh my God, does this track rock or what? Catchiest on the whole album. Probably the best non-prog offering. Don't let its genre (or lyrics) keep you from enjoying it.
Prog or Not?: Not, but who the hell cares?

The Lying Lies and Dirty Secrets of Ms. Erica Court - Just a punk track, not much to see here, unless you want a good laugh from the lyrics.
Prog or Not?: Not.

Mother May I: It's, again, a punk track with obscure lyrics. Too bad it's too chilled out to be as entertaining as The Suffering.
Prog or Not?: Not.

The Willing Well I: Fuel For the Feeding End - Oh yeah, this track combines the best of both worlds, in the same way The Cardiacs do. Excellent instrumentation, as well as a punk energy behind it all. The lyrics are just...well, look them up for yourself. Claudio can be scary in the same way Cate Blanchett was in Fellowship of the Ring.
Prog or Not? Prog.

The Willing Well II: Fear Through The Eyes of Madness - It starts off promisingly with some synthesizer, transforms into an alternatively upbeat punk and metallish-drone beginning. Towards the middle there's a bit of good rock n' roll (a bit like Wolfmother, say), which then transforms into very cool prog metal! Although repetitive towards the end (to the point of being more punk than metal, I think), it's a great, great track.
Prog or Not? Yes, Prog!

The Willing Well III: Apollo II: The Telling Truth - Nice electronic intro...followed by a song we've heard before. It's Apollo again...whoopdy-doo. This is followed by a neat bit of dual guitar playing, to make up for the repetition. 5 minutes in...it devolves into pop-punk some how. In fact, it's the poppiest punkiest part of the album. And then we go back to Apollo I again (which is a big relief, as I don't like too much pop punk).
Prog or Not? Prog, just like Apollo I.

The Willing Well IV: The Final Cut - A fairly neat prog-metal offering. At 3:30, it begins to sound like David Gilmour is doing a guest appearance. It's wonderful. The final minute of the song is an absolutely hilarious bluegrass acoustic jam. It's just great that they decided to end this portion of a dark, epic saga in a very lighthearted, folksy way.

In summary, the album is fairly polarizing. I would give it a 3/5, but I would recommend you download certain tracks rather than buy the whole album. I would also recommend buying the Armory Wars comic if you want to have a prayer at understanding the lyrics.

heyitsthatguy wrote: the sensitive lot of you would be eaten alive on any other forum than PA just sayin

Yeah, man, it took me forever to adjust to the clean language and no flaming policies. My first post here got suspended because I called the Doors "sh!t." Any other forum, the mod would've just cursed me out and told me I was lame. So I guess its at least more welcoming...I declare PA a safehaven for sensitive forum-goers.

This thread is getting way off topic. Discussion only about the addition or otherwise of C&C from now on please. I will remove any posts which are not relevant.

"at the very least"? heh

I guess sounding like the catchy emo version of Rush could land you in prog related but I don't think they have solid credentials for anything more

you could argue that basically any band is intelligent and/or atypical but that doesn't make 'em prog