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debrewguy 
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 Posted: April 12 2008 at 11:18 |
 The T wrote:
Avantgardehead wrote:
Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments... |
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs... |
You know T, sometimes that is PA. "This prog isn't prog because prog is ..." ; "Prog hasn't been made since 197? ..."; " what so prog about genre x or y ... "; " i like some prog, but some prog is simply just noise ... ";  Now there is an objective case that I have unsuccessfully tried to make about krautrock. But then, some people who think they know more than me ( and wouldn't you know it, that is just not a rare happening here that many actually do) come up with arguements that I cannot refute. So i save my best shots for boosting Ange & Klaatu to the top shelf of prog acts.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 23:42 |
I like a lot of non-prog music, given before I was into prog that was what I listened to anyone.
I like Rage Against The Machine, Refused, Alice In Chains, Jeff Buckley, Darkest Hour, Faith No More and Nevemore are just some of the non-prog music I like.
Go to the Best guitarist-Technique and speed... thread and you will see I love many instrumental guitarists, many of whom aren't necessarily prog either.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 23:32 |
inpraiseoffolly wrote:
punk/hardcore punk
emo (the real stuff, like Rites of Spring and At The Drive-In)
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I don't think any seemed to comment on that, I can understand Rites Of Spring as being tagged emo, but that is the first time I've even seen At The Drive-In labelled as emo. All the big ATDI fans will tell you they are a Post-Hardcore band, which seemed obvious to me anyway when I listened them. They sounded much like a more progressive type hardocore band, I never saw the emo connection at all with ATDI. If you listen to Relationship Of Command, which is one of my favorite albums in the punk genre (Which is saying something, because I'm not a big punk fan) the band had clearly gone well past straight up hardcore into something more complex and progressive.
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reality
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 21:25 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
song_of_copper wrote:
It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?! |
Art rock. I'm going to start using that because 1) I like the ring of it, 2) it is an authentic period term used to describe ol' prog rock, and 3) it sums-up everything about the movement in two definitive words.I'm getting pretty sick of the term "prog" these days as well, especially with how it's been thrown around and has little meaning in our modern day.But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk. |
I agree "Art Rock" is more indicative to how people want to use the term "Prog" as the thought or spirit behind the creation of the music. People who want to make art, while "Prog" could be a sub-genre with a certain codified sound.
Oh yea, listen to Chris Gaines (aka Garth Brooks) it is good stuff! It is the ultimate concept album, even went so far as to alter billboard charts from the 90's to play into the concept of the album.
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Johnmusic88
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 15:45 |
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dimu borgir!!!
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tardis
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 13:18 |
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I listen to lots of non-prog music as well as prog, it's all good! Some of the non-prog bands I like: Del The Funky Homosapien, Aphex Twin, The Cranberries, Dolores O'Riordan, Blackalicious, Poison The Well, Sparta, Orphanage, Dimmu Borgir, Killswitch Engage etc. etc.
Lots of different genres and bands to explore...I love music, period! Oh, and it's good not to take oneself too serious musically, I think...Ramones are great fun, you don't listen to them for musical "complexity"...
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popeyethecat
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 12:42 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk.
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There's a Gypsy band I kind of know called Paprika Balkanicus (I've met them while they've been busking in Covent Garden and also performing at a Gypsy festival). Try them out on MySpace, they're pure Gypsy folk. Their violinist also plays in a Classical violin quartet, but I'm not sure what they're called.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 05:21 |
song_of_copper wrote:
It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?!
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Art rock. I'm going to start using that because 1) I like the ring of it, 2) it is an authentic period term used to describe ol' prog rock, and 3) it sums-up everything about the movement in two definitive words. I'm getting pretty sick of the term "prog" these days as well, especially with how it's been thrown around and has little meaning in our modern day. But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk.
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song_of_copper
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Posted: April 07 2008 at 12:53 |
I think I've tended to avoid things described as 'prog' mostly, because I'm very wary of pretension/pomp... but often, don't you find that the stuff that you have assumed to be achingly pretentious and unlistenably complex turns out to be so much more sincere and interesting than its reputation suggests? Assumptions about music... double-plus ungood, methinks.  It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?! But anyway... NON-PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! Stay on topic, yes? Some of the things I like... (and I think all of these might appeal to people who like 'progressive music'...) Sparks (Those lyrics! Priceless! Their music is so intelligent and so catchy! If Noel Coward started a glam pop band...) Snakefinger (I need to hear more of him! He's a little uncategorisable, and of course ineffably barmy! In some ways it's almost like a PARODY of prog... RIP.) The Stooges ('Fun House' is just unendingly brilliant. Blistering rock music with just the merest sniff of - dare I say - avant-jazz...) The Ramones (Tired of all things epic? Refresh yourself with the musical equivalent of toilet wall graffiti... in a GOOD WAY I mean!!) Judee Sill (Poetic lyrics, metaphysical subject matter, ravishing orchestrations... and your girlfriend will like it!) Eclectic Alabama, that's me... 
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 20:20 |
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I do have a weakness for the great songwriters; Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, CS&N, Stevie Nicks, Lennon/McCartney/Harrison ..it is a unique skill and I agree that it's just as demanding to write a great 'pop' song as to write something more complex
...you do what you do
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 19:59 |
Lets see which are the non Prog bands I really like:
- Meat Loaf
- Cranberries
- Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham and Nicks)
- Journey
- REM
- U2 (Early)
- OMD
- Bob Geldoff and the Boomtown Rats
- Jackson Browne
- George Harrison
- The Mamas & The Papas
- Blind Melon
- Neil Young
- Crosby Stills Nash & Young
- Eagles
- Grand Funk Railroad
- Bachman Turner Overdrive
- Bob Dylan
- The Travelling Wilburys
- Cat Stevens
I could follow for long, the only two genres you would never find are Rap and Disco.
Iván
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 19:38 |
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Neil Young (& Crazy Horse)
Flaming Lips
Pavement
Incubus
Faith No More
Phish
Robert Plant
Led Zep
Iron Maiden
Aphex Twin
RHCP
Smashing Pumpkins
Echo and The Bunnymen
U2
Chameleons UK
Beatles
George Harrison
Richard Thompson
The Boss
Basically select folk rock, post punk, classic rock, power metal, psychedelic rock, Celtic, 80s metal (hair, etc), electronica, ambient, etc.
I love so freakin' many bands in PA, who vary in sound a lot, but other genres are iffy. I'm picky.
Edited by stonebeard - April 06 2008 at 19:40
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 18:24 |
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World music is amazing. If I had more of it, I'd probably listen to it almost as much as prog, but my supply is lacking at best sadly.
And Animal Collective is still amazing.
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popeyethecat
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 17:42 |
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I think you could open it up some more. It frustrates me when people
say they don't like Classical music or World music. C'mon now, that's
hundreds of years of music from ALL over the world. There must be
SOMETHING, surely? Le Trio Joubran, anyone? Le Mystere des voix
Bulgares? Might be a bit of a long shot with those particular people, I
dunno. I recommend both, though ;)
Looking back to your original post...I had a friend at my old school who was a fan or rap, but good rap. Some of it was actually fairly intricate and not just the stereotypical rapping over a sample and a beat. It seemed to me that this was what the genre had turned into lately, but I was thankfully wrong!
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 15:46 |
The T wrote:
Avantgardehead wrote:
Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments... |
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs... |
Interesting, I might have to start going there!
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laplace
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:35 |
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great, you pushed this on to a third page with comments totally unrelated to the thread's heading.
to recap:
POST-PUNK
ELECTRONICA
RAP
INDIE
NO WHINING
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The T
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:26 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments... |
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs...
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The T
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:23 |
Philéas wrote:
Let's stop talking about Prog because this is a non-Prog thread in the non-Prog section. kthxbye |
If someone uses this pro-non-prog thread to start attacking prog, in a prog forum, I guess it's only normal to start defending prog. The guy who decided, instead of talking about the genres proposed in the opening post, to attack prog and compare it with everything, ask him to stop talking about prog in a non-prog section.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 12:35 |
inpraiseoffolly wrote:
While on hiatus from using the PA forums, I watched with disgust at some of the apalling progsnobbery present here.
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Onew question, I like some POP, New Wave, Techno and even some Classic Punk plus of course Classic Rock, Jazz, Rockabilly, Classical music, Folk Music, World Music (None of which you have mentioned) but I can't stand Rap, Emo or Boys/Girls bands..Am I close minded to your eyes?
Why when a person answers in a post that he doesn't like a determined genre, the close minded statement starts?
If you come to a Prog forum you will notice that most people believe Prog is the best genre, if you go to a Punk forum you will finfdthat people believe that Punk is the best genre and if you go to an Eminem Forum, you will find most people believe he is God....So where is the Prog snobbery? Aren't we allowed to have a defined taste?
Fot God's sake, this is a Prog Forum, if you don't want to see people praising Prog over the rest, then you are in the wrong place.
Iván
BTW: It's hilarious to see Prog fans bashing Prog to feel they are politically correct, if you don't believe in what you do or in you'r taste, simply you don't know what you like.
Why try to make people feel better saying "Hey Prog is less important than Classical music or Jazz"....For God's sake, that's not the point and is not true at all, the three are different and if there is one place where Rock, Classical, Jazz and Folk touch themselves is precisely in Prog.
If you believe in something don't bash it to look politically correct, if you believe a genre is the best say it loud, in matters of taste YOU CAN'T BE WRONG.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 06 2008 at 12:41
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laplace
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 07:19 |
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I agree with Phileas and Rocktopus! Go make strawman progsnob thread number six million in a different sub-forum and circle the wagons against the non-existent enemy. =)
All I've been listening to this past month is cabaret, Nick Cave, japanese nonsense-pop and Melvins albums, so I loves this thread. I wouldn't call myself an open-minded music lover because I tend to ignore *new* music and I'm sure that's a huge failing...
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