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    Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:59
I was interested in knowing where the twin guitar sound was first used/made up. The only bands that I've known that do that are Wishbone Ash and Iron Maiden.  Anyone care to explain the history behind this? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:05
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overdubbing of lead guitar goes way back..  twin guitars I'm not sure about


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:06
My first knowledge of it was a late 60's (67-69) San Franciso group called Quicksilver Messanger Service who had Gary Duncan and John Cippolina on lead guitar.  Not as heavy as some others later but that was the first one I knew aobut.  Maybe there were others before? 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:10
I've heard Allman Brothers also had twin lead guitars, but I want to know the roots of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:18
I think the Allman's had to be one of the first... after all, "lead guitar" as we know it didn't really exist until the mid 60's. Thin Lizzy also employed twin leads very effectively I might add.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:21
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

My first knowledge of it was a late 60's (67-69) San Franciso group called Quicksilver Messanger Service who had Gary Duncan and John Cippolina on lead guitar.  Not as heavy as some others later but that was the first one I knew aobut.  Maybe there were others before? 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:37
Originally posted by Castroph Castroph wrote:

I've heard Allman Brothers also had twin lead guitars, but I want to know the roots of it.
 
This was the group that first leaped to mind with me, but I don't think they were the first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:48
The first person to release albums with double tracked guitars was Les Paul.

As far as rock bands with two leads go, along with the ones already mentioned there is also Big Brother and the Holding Company and Fleetwood Mac.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:56
Kansas may not have been the first, but there are plenty of Kansas songs with dual lead that Maiden seem to have been heavily influenced by (though they probably wouldn't admit it).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2008 at 23:58
[QUOTE=Easy Money]The first person to release albums with double tracked guitars was Les Paul [QUOTE]. 

 I think the original poster was actually talking about harmonized twin leads and dualing guitar solos and not double tracking per se.
 
Well anyway, the way I always saw it, was that Wishbone Ash were one of the bands that really made harmonized guitar parts popular, and not only used the bog standard major and minor 3rds, but also used parallel 4ths and from memory parallel 5ths, but I can't be sure about the 5ths.
Iron Maiden made it even more popular and raised the bar of the complexity of the actual rifffs to be harmonized. Not only using just harmonized licks, but on some of their work utilising contrary motion as well (but not that frequently)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:06
Harry, that last post went right over my head!

Well, let me see... you're correct, Wishbone Ash, Thin Lizzy, Allman Brothers Band, Fleetwood Mac and Quicksilver Messenger Service all had twin guitars.

What about twin acoustic in a rockier context?  I'm thinking of Pentangle here.  Of course, twin acoustic have been used for centuries.  In the 1930s you had Eddie Lang playing with other acoustic guitarists, as well as Leadbelly also playing with others.

Also, Juicy Lucy kind of had twin guitars in the late 1960s.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:08
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

[QUOTE=Easy Money]The first person to release albums with double tracked guitars was Les Paul [QUOTE].  I think the original poster was actually talking about harmonized twin leads and dualing guitar solos and not double tracking per se.
 

Well anyway, the way I always saw it, was that Wishbone Ash were one of the bands that really made harmonized guitar parts popular, and not only used the bog standard major and minor 3rds, but also used parallel 4ths and from memory parallel 5ths, but I can't be sure about the 5ths.

Iron Maiden made it even more popular and raised the bar of the complexity of the actual rifffs to be harmonized. Not only using just harmonized licks, but on some of their work utilising contrary motion as well (but not that frequently)






If you are talking about two guitars harmonizing a melody together in a rock context then I am sure the Allmans were ahead of Ash and Maiden.

The question is, was there someone ahead of the Allmans, that someone could be Fleetwood Mac.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:11
From an interview with Laurie Wisefield of Wishbone Ash:



Where did the dual guitar sound originate?

Laurie:  A long time ago before I was with Wishbone Ash I played with a band called Home, who did a couple of albums and then split.  Home did a lot of touring with Wishbone in those days and both bands were using the twin lead guitar sound, so I’d definitely say that Home and Wishbone Ash were the first.  There are several bands using the twin lead guitar sound now but I shan’t mention any names.


Addendum: that was around 1973, so I'd say Fleetwood Mac were one of the pioneers.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:21
Black Oak Arkansas were doing the twin lead thing in '70 - '71.  Not sure if it was first but it was early on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:28
I think we can add Savoy Brown to the list...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:31

^Wishbone Ash definitely started doing it before Black Oak, back in '69 for sure. Easy Money could be right about the Allman bro's on this one, but I'm pretty sure even if they got to it well before Wishbone did, Wishbone were the guys that made it popular.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:37
A quick check of the internet has Mac forming in 67, Allmans 69 and Ash in 70.

I keep wondering about the possibility of some older RnB or blues band out there that did it first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:56
Bubble Puppy founded in 1966 seems to be credited with the first dual lead guitar.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 01:57
i dont know if they were the first but... Judas Priest did it in 1973
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2008 at 02:38
I believe one of the defining features of southern rock is the twin lead guitar. Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, .38 Special, The Outlaws and The Marshall Tucker Band all had two lead guitarists, I think.

Edit: Triple guitar in Molly Hatchet apparently. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirtin'_with_Disaster)



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