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Lynyrd Skynyrd had 3 lead guitars most of the time e.g. Rossington, Collins and Gaines.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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it was the Yardbirds who invented double lead guitar
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^ that's a good guess, or they at least popularized it
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10742 |
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Well the Yardbirds were around way ahead of Fleetwood Mac, but I thought they played in a rhythm plus lead style like the Stones.
I think the question was about two lead guitars harmonizing melodies together. I can't remember if the Yardbirds played in that style, if they did they would at least be ahead of the other mentioned bands. P.S. I just got through playing my only Yardbirds record, Over Under etc. There were a lot of great songs with two guitars, but no harmonized leads. I know there is Beck's Bolero, but that may or may not be an isolated incident. Also, Bolero sounds like Beck double tracking himself, I'm sure he was aware of Les Paul's pioneering work in this area. I guess the alleged Bubble Puppy comes in ahead of Fleetwood Mac. Seems like maybe the Beatles did a couple early guitar breaks with harmonized leads but that may not be true, also I was wondering if the Byrds did anything in that style. Looks like everyone else has lost interest, I guess I'll just turn out the light and close the door behind me. Edited by Easy Money - June 03 2008 at 09:16 |
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^ I have to agree Bob that the Yardbirds use of the dual guitar was more akin to the Stones rhythm and lead. Quicksilver had two lead guitarist in their formative years before their record deal in 1967 actually they had a third member who sang and played guitar as well. But who really knows who was first. Is the Question who put a band together using it or who first employed it? I mean that could go back to any two people sitting down and trading chops. Jerry Garcia used to sit in with Airplane all the time and him and Jorma Kaukonen (and Jack Casidy) used to trade chops all the time but never as part of a studio album so not sure that counts. But I am guessing for Rock within a band this came about somewhere in the mid 60's but I couldn't tell you who was first.
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jammun ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
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How about The Ventures? Were tthey using dual lead guitars? They came before any other band mentioned here. I'm thinking of Walk Don't Run, etc., but I haven't heard those songs in a while so it may be more of a lead/rhythm guitar configuration.
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Good choice, I do believe the Ventures did some harmonized melodic leads, which leads to a band we all forgot, the Shadows in the UK, who did a lot of instrumentals with harmonized lead guitars and were an influence on many young aspiring prog-rockers.
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I thought the Nashville Teens had dual lead before mid-60's (big hit: Toacco Road) - wasn't it one reason why they won MM's Group Contest 1963 or '4? Of course Hank and Bruce in the Shadows had to lead guitars in 1959, although Jet Harris on an early electric bass did more lead work then Bruce Welsh, who was strictly rhythm* (how many chords did Welch know?) - and then I think Hank played with Wally Whyton (folkie and children's TV presenter) in the Vipers in 1957 or 8......
* On the sleeve of Wishbone 4 one photograph includes a Shadow's LP cover as an acknowledgment to what went before. Indeed Keith Richard and Brian Jones of the Stones weren't that bad on leads. Edited by Dick Heath - June 03 2008 at 13:46 |
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Hi Dick, glad you weighed in on this, more specifically the question is about two leads playng lines together in harmony (ie Fleetwood Mac, Allmans, Wishbone Ash etc), not just two lead guitars. I don't think the Stones did a lot of harmonized leads together, but I have been wrong before.
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Of course he was not the first one, but Michael Rother could create excellent harmonized guitar pieces by dubbing himself (in his first three albums)
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Good point . Bruce Welsh and Hank Marvin certainly had a very sympathetic set up wrt lead and harmony chords, but never striking off as two true leads. What of the other forgotten UK instrumental groups: Shane Fenton's Fentones (1 hit wonders - with Riders In The Sky?????), Billy Fury's Tornados (pre-Telstar)?? or Billy Kramer's group? Was the early 60's hit Sleepwalk by Santo & Johnny, dual lead? |
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And then there is the pairing of Allan Holdsworth and Ollie Halsall on Tempest's BBC Radio One In Concert set (recorded 1972 or '3), but released only a few years aback on the double Under the Blossom: The Anthology . Some of the playing heard takes a lot of beating
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For a very brief time in 1966 the Yardbirds had both Beck and Page sharing lead guitar duties and their appearance in the movie "Blow Up" that same year documents that. If you ever have a chance to grab the soundtrack of that movie, their blistering version of "Stroll On" ("Train kept 'a rollin'" with different lyrics) is enough to make your hair stand on end. The gutteral tones of both guitarists are way before their time and you can tell they are both trying to "one up" the other. So, for me, that's when the idea of having more than one lead guitarist in the same band was formulated (although The Ventures were doing it instrumentally all during the early 60s).
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Whitesnake on 1977 were already using twin guitars, and it wasn't their popish metalish era, don't be afraid of purchasing something.
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And one of the great examples: Joe Walsh & Glen Frey on Hotel California. Not necessarily well-thought of on this site, but those twin guitar solos are near perfection. |
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Yardbirds and QMS that's for sure
Besides i don't remember if FZ and Elliot Ingber do Twin Lead guitar dutie in Freak Out! anyone? And Safes as Milk Beefheart has two guitars one Ry Cooder and the other Alex St Clair, do not remember if they shared duties... And finally Julian Bream and John Williams for classical ![]() |
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And have you seen the dual leads of John Williams and PeteTownshend on one of the Sleeping Policeman's Balls recordings?Which reminds me you'll also find Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton on one of those recordings too!! ![]() |
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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Genesis with Steve Hackett used quite a few dual leads, even though he was only one person...
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^ which tracks?
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