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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: June 11 2008 at 07:43 |
 soundsweird wrote:
One can count on this same thread being resurrected at least once per year. Talk about beating a Dead horse!! |
You should be Grateful it only gets resurrected at least once per year.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: June 11 2008 at 03:46 |
Yep, here we go again.
The search function is your friend.
Just so you know, though, I say no. There isn't much in the way of prog in their music. Innovative, yes. Artistic, yes. Groundbreaking psychedelic, yes. Progressive rock, no.
Don't feel bad though. I'd tell you the same thing about Pink Floyd if they hadn't hired that Gilmour fellow....
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soundsweird
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Posted: June 11 2008 at 01:21 |
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One can count on this same thread being resurrected at least once per year. Talk about beating a Dead horse!!
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jammun
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 20:16 |
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My problem with considering them prog-related is that their best albums (Workingman's Dead, American Beauty) are anything but.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 19:45 |
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I'm not intimately familiar with all their albums. I have Anthem of the Sun and Terrapin Station. One psychedelic for sure and the other with a lot of proggy moments.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 18:49 |
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Probably not. Their first couple albums were sort of psychedelic, then they just mixed their love of acid with country rock. They'd jam at their shows, but not much on albums. And they weren't very progressive in nature.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 17:31 |
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^ precisely
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micky
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 17:29 |
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structure structure and more structure... with some notable exceptions... structure is a key for prog. Not improvising.. a bad fit in my opinion.
Page #29 from the sacred text brought down from the Mt. Sinai of prog by M@X himself.. and interpreted by his priests...
'Prog Related can be stretched to fit damn near any group you can think of the late 60's and 70's... Prog Related is for groups that best illustrate the INFLUENCE of the progressive rock movement on those that were not'
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Hawkwise
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 17:24 |
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No but your right about The Mars Hotel now that's a good album but Prog ?? No
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zicIy
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 17:23 |
Atavachron wrote:
.... were the Dead influenced by the English prog movement ....
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Sorry, but i really dont care about The Grateful Deadīs less influenced by or to that English prog movement. English prog movement is awesome enough without Deads (or even Zappa, or Steely Dan for example). i think these best American (prog or not?) bands/ artists were so different than English bands/artists that an influence was not possible at all, and, also, i dont see any of the reasons why should to be.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 17:10 |
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yes but many bands did, at one point almost every rock album out of Britain was in some way progressive, but were the Dead related to prog directly in some way? They may have been, but the evidence is thin.
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zicIy
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 17:05 |
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I love the Dead but I don't think they're either Proto or Related other than being one of the most influential psych bands.. they certainly have several excellent progressive albums (Allah, Terrapin) but in order to be ProgRelated you'd have to show in what way they're related to prog
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as you said - " they certainly have several exellent progressive albums" - as well. i like to add Live / Dead and The Mars Hotel (my fav one ).
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 16:54 |
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I love the Dead but I don't think they're either Proto or Related other than being one of the most influential psych bands.. they certainly have several excellent progressive albums (Allah, Terrapin) but in order to be ProgRelated you'd have to show in what way they're related to prog ..I think the question would come down this; were the Dead influenced by the English prog movement and is that reflected in their more composed albums between 73 and 77? If so, how much impact is heard or is it more of an internal progression in the group
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zicIy
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Posted: June 10 2008 at 16:45 |
imho, Deads are deserved a place at PA prog related, or proto prog the list. 
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