Funkadelic for space rock/ heavy prog?

Easy Money wrote: micky wrote: jammun wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!!  <font size="3" color="#0000ff">    Whew, had to go back and make sure that wasn't one of my comments since it sounds like something I'd say after a few too many long-neck Lone Stars. oh god... Lone Stars!!!!!!.... haven't had one of those in YEARS hahhah.  A couple of those to these parched lips .and Willie would be up before the Prog Folk team for evaluation being a light-weight these days has it's advantages One of my treasured mementos of college was a Lone Star bottle David Allen Coe signed for me ...  and was one of the first things my wife tossed in the trash after I got married That is one of the funniest (Homer Simpson voice "It's funny cos it's true") things I have ever read on here. Obviously I know the type well. I won't even bother to type any ha ha ... s

yeah.. she was a real pistol

Ahh, we had one like that in Perú, it had 13.5% of alcohol

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: One question...What the hell is a lone star?   Iván

nectar of the gods Ivan...

micky wrote: jammun wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!!      Whew, had to go back and make sure that wasn't one of my comments since it sounds like something I'd say after a few too many long-neck Lone Stars. oh god... Lone Stars!!!!!!.... haven't had one of those in YEARS hahhah.  A couple of those to these parched lips .and Willie would be up before the Prog Folk team for evaluation being a light-weight these days has it's advantages One of my treasured mementos of college was a Lone Star bottle David Allen Coe signed for me ...  and was one of the first things my wife tossed in the trash after I got married

[QUOTE=Logan] Ivan, please don't take it personally.  I mentioned that my 3rd and 4th paragraphs were in relation to something that Easy Money said (from another thread in fact) and I was thinking more generally (hardly in all cases and hardly just with this proposal).  You're free to think that Funkadelic has no relation to Prog, just as others, such as myself are free to think otherwise.  It would be intolerant of me to say that you shouldn't express that.  I'm not invalidating your opinion ,my point was meant to be that more than one opinion can be valid.  And I said prog-related (not capitalised).  My point is that I think that something can have a relation to prog without it being acceptable for the Prog Related category.  I thought you agreed with that, as you've pointed out the definition before to say that "the inclusion of a band is exceptional"  and had thought you thought that not all bands that have some relation to progressive rock should be accepted.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 08 2008 at 21:05

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!!

Ivan, please don't take it personally.  I mentioned that my 3rd and 4th paragraphs were in relation to something that Easy Money said (from another thread in fact) and I was thinking more generally (hardly in all cases and hardly just with this proposal).  You're free to think that Funkadelic has no relation to Prog, just as others, such as myself are free to think otherwise.  It would be intolerant of me to say that you shouldn't express that.  I'm not invalidating your opinion ,my point was meant to be that more than one opinion can be valid.  And I said prog-related (not capitalised).  My point is that I think that something can have a relation to prog without it being acceptable for the Prog Related category.  I thought you agreed with that, as you've pointed out the definition before to say that "the inclusion of a band is exceptional"  and had thought you thought that not all bands that have some relation to progressive rock should be accepted.

Some probably do think that Prog=good, non-Prog=bad (I don't recall anyone saying that, but some might think it), but many don't when showing some support for the more controversial additions (or at least saying that the idea is not as far-fetched as some make it out to be),  I know that Prog can be very bad (at least according to my tastes, and I put other music ahead of it artistically and creatively even though I enjoy Prog).  I love Tallis, and am not ashamed to say it, but you don't see me claiming he is Prog (though progressive, but hardly Prog).  For a much more modern artist, I like Gary Numan, but have not suggested him.  I know that some dismiss out of hand sometimes without trying to understand, or explore other points of view (sometimes without even really knowing the music)  People can be like that.  Sometimes people even ridicule others who have differences of opinion/ offer a different perspective.

I'm not saying that we would should not reject a band for addition, team members, including myself, do it all the time.  What I mean is that we explore what other people are trying to say and feel.  It's part of trying to understand where other people are coming from.  I'm a great believer in exploring notions, even if we don't agree with them -- really pondering it.  Of course we can disagree. 

One of the problems, sometimes, I think is that too many people argue (take on an adversarial approach), and are not give-and-take, and not enough people really discuss in a friendly, exploratory manner (the exploration of ideas).  Too often it's wrong or right, whereas I'd rather there be more synthesis of ideas (not to mention respect for other opinions).

Incidentally, I could see a case for Willie Nelson as a progressive artist, but not Prog, but I must have missed the post where someone claimed he was Prog (not that it matters).


Edited by Logan - September 08 2008 at 20:25

I would rather we not put the blame on anyone for making suggestions (that way lies one-upmanship, self-righteousness, and bigotry.  I think we should strive to be more tolerant and open to other notions, while at the same time free to express our own ideas/ opinions).

I posted this earlier in another thread in relation to a  post by Easy Money:

The way I look at it is that something can be prog-related without it necessarily being right for the site (at least at this time).  I wouldn't push for Funkadelic, but find sometimes people are too closed minded too even consider the possibility/ merits of a band/ proposal, or to really explore the issue from various angles (often a gut/ emotional reaction) -- too often it becomes black and white (I'm not so much one to think it's either progressive rock or not or right or wrong (so much music covered here); there's a grey area, and that makes such "out-of-the-box discussions interesting, especially as such additions affect the direction of the site).  At least the notion of P-Funk and EW&F's inclusion is interesting, and not something to be dismissed out-of-hand.  People often are looking for the parameters of additions, and the boundaries are very fuzzy (to almost non-existent) since so many different syles of music are represented by bands at this site, and we have our own ideas of what is worthy, and which direction the site should take, and not take.

Fewer people should dismiss, and more people should explore notions and be open to other ideas/ perspectives (that another point of view can be valid).

akin wrote: Easy Money wrote: The prog-rock part of Funkadelic and Parliament is multi-kybdst Bernie Worrell who remains active in prog related activities to this day. He's a fan of Keith Emerson and can match Emerson and any other prog kybdst for classical, jazz and rock technique. Funny how EW&F is being held up as the bad end of this addition tendency, early EW&F is probably more progressive than P-funk, as well as lot's of bands already on this site. My three favorite all-time prog rock concerts are Crimson, Genesis and EW&F. I consider RnB to be part of rock, just my personal tastes. You'll add or don't add whoever you like, I don't care, it's a fun site. P.S. James Brown's introduction of music composed of interlocking melodic parts (a concept he 'borrowed' from Cuban jazz) as opposed to chords and melodies was very progressive and after passing through some other artists eventually became a big influence (possibly unconsciously) on King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes (especially Squire) and others. P.S. P.S. In retrospect, I think the three previously mentioned classic prog bands borrowed directly from James, just listen to Fripp and Howe's comping technique. The James Brown's influence in Prog bands, like Crimson, GG and Yes may be a valid point. They have the same value of Bach and Beethoven's influence, Stockhausen and Cage's influence, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry influences, Brubeck and Coltrane influences. They are all influences, and other bands that share some of these influences are not necessarily prog.

Hi Akin, let me make this very clear once more: I WAS TALKING ABOUT MUSIC, NOT SUGGESTING BANDS FOR PA INCLUSION. I would imagine the title of the thread makes it seem like every post is about PA inclusion, but mine was not.

Just because I might say some band has progressive tendecies, or they were an influence on prog-rock doesn't mean I think they belong in PA. I enjoy talking about music, but I find conversations about who belongs on PA to be utterly boring, and besides, those conversations tend to bring out the worst in people.

Edited by Easy Money - September 08 2008 at 18:39

Easy Money wrote: The prog-rock part of Funkadelic and Parliament is multi-kybdst Bernie Worrell who remains active in prog related activities to this day. He's a fan of Keith Emerson and can match Emerson and any other prog kybdst for classical, jazz and rock technique. Funny how EW&F is being held up as the bad end of this addition tendency, early EW&F is probably more progressive than P-funk, as well as lot's of bands already on this site. My three favorite all-time prog rock concerts are Crimson, Genesis and EW&F. I consider RnB to be part of rock, just my personal tastes. You'll add or don't add whoever you like, I don't care, it's a fun site. P.S. James Brown's introduction of music composed of interlocking melodic parts (a concept he 'borrowed' from Cuban jazz) as opposed to chords and melodies was very progressive and after passing through some other artists eventually became a big influence (possibly unconsciously) on King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes (especially Squire) and others. P.S. P.S. In retrospect, I think the three previously mentioned classic prog bands borrowed directly from James, just listen to Fripp and Howe's comping technique.

The James Brown's influence in Prog bands, like Crimson, GG and Yes may be a valid point. They have the same value of Bach and Beethoven's influence, Stockhausen and Cage's influence, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry influences, Brubeck and Coltrane influences. They are all influences, and other bands that share some of these influences are not necessarily prog.