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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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Only if you allow it to do so. You rated albums before on this website ... did that also take the beauty out of the music? I really doubt that ... BTW: Above you said that for you a band is either not prog, prog-related or prog. Ok, so you're already rating progressiveness on a scale from 0 to 2. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 10 2008 at 16:28 |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66092 |
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My parents were at my house this weekend so I love my mom at about 5. They headed home to Florida today though, so it should be back up to a 10. My parents tend to get on my nerves when we are under the same roof. We get along much better 1200 miles apart.
![]() Being an accountant who works with numbers, and who also prepares tax returns for about 50 attorneys, I know from experience that attorneys and numbers don't normally get along together all that well. So I can see how Iván would not care too much for using numbers to describe music.
![]() And if you are someone who enjoys numbers or numerology then adding numbers or percentages to the music only makes it that much more beautiful to you. But that is only one point of view.
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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I'm not against your statistics, just to mention, Mike... ![]() In fact, instead of this graphic, I can easily translate it all in which albums are progressive and which aren't (or I can easily misunderstand the thing, on the other hand ![]() NOT really! cause based on the infos on have on Metallica (for my super cool metal fan), Metallica and prog does not compute...or, better said, it best not compute... here's where nuancing and not statistics works for me...if Metallica has manifested enough progressiveness compared to Metallica, I'd still think over if Metallica has manifested enough progressiveness compared to prog (not prog rock necessarily, because I basically agree with the main lesson: prog rock ain't prog metal, viceversa likewise) but you're right, let's best use the other thread that won't stop growing into a tireless monster for the above kind of arguments (argumenting) v ![]() ![]() Edited by Ricochet - September 10 2008 at 16:46 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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I love to read reviews, but I also like tags ... not just at PF, but also at other websites like last.fm. If someone assigns the tag "mellow" to an album, it's about the same as if he included the line "The music is quite mellow" in his review. Where's the difference?
In all honesty: I think that that's not a fair analogy. PA users take music more serious than other people, but not *that* seriously ... or do they? ![]() Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 10 2008 at 16:45 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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Well, I would say that you should try to listen to the music yourself. http://www.myspace.com/metallica Unfortunately the myspace page - as usual - doesn't feature the more progressive tracks of the albums, but listen to One, Fade to Black and Battery. The latter is quite interesting as far as form is concerned.
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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So then if a Metallica album gets an 8.5 on a scale of 0-10 for progressive metal, then what on Earth would a maudlin of the Well get?!?! |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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"a Metallica album" ... they're not all the same, so it depends on which album you're talking about. If it was Master of Puppets vs. Bath I'd say 5 vs. 7. I know that some would rank MotW higher on the progressiveness scale, but IMHO much of their progressiveness is actually "just" experimentation/avant-garde. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46828 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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^ I'm a freak ... that's a given.
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Zitro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
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Kill 'em All : 1.5
Ride the Lightning: 3 Master of Puppets: 4 And Justice For All: 4.5 Metallica: 3.5 Load: 3.5 Reload: 2 St Anger: 1 Death Magnetic (from what I heard in youtube): 3.5 EDIT: and no, Metallica doesn't belong in here at all. Edited by Zitro - September 11 2008 at 13:27 |
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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But experimental and avant-garde genres are listed here, so there's still merit to them. |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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^ I'm just saying that at least for me experimentation/avant-garde is not the same as progressiveness. I can't (yet) put my finger on it, but sometimes I get the feeling that the band is only trying to be as "non-conformist" as possible. In those cases I will not give them high progressiveness scores, although I'm quite aware that many other people would rate them highly. The opposite also happens ... sometimes I give high progressiveness scores to albums which aren't avant/experimental at all.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Mmm.... The band you mentioned (which I haven't heard but let's assume, as it is a Driver's band, sounds somewhat like Kayo Dot) may be more EXPERIMENTAL and, of course, "avant-garde". Progressive as in progressive-metal, it's another history. Let's say that, if we try to apply the definition and concepts from 70's prog-rock to both bands, Driver's band may be proggier as it's freer, more form-free. Metallica wouldn't score that high in such a case. But talking in progressive-METAL terms (I have explained what I think about the subject in my thread in the prog-lounge), obviously Metallica was a turning point in the genre's history (specially with MoP and AJFA) that Driver's band can't be, as it's barely even METAL in the first place.... (if it's like Kayo Dot's DAWCT.... because BLD is absolutely 0% metal)
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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For me, it's the way they seamlessly meld metal with jazz and more indie/alternative elements that make them progressive.
And T, you should really hear maudlin of the Well. It's nothing like Kayo Dot and it's the most metal thing Toby has ever done. You know, riffs, growls, guitar solos, double-bass, etc. Edited by Avantgardehead - September 11 2008 at 15:51 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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^ In case you were wondering:
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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^Why the hell do you have TWO lines there?
![]() ![]() I'd explore Maudlin of the Well... if I could get the cd.... (I hate mp3's, sorry)
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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eBay! The End!
I got all three albums for around $15 on eBay. But yes, this band is radically different than Kayo Dot and everything else Mr. Driver has done. He's one of those guys who's impossible to pigeonhole. |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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I thought it would be self explanatory ... tho the left of the first line it says "Average (All Users)", to the left of the second line it says "MikeEnRegalia".
mp3 today sounds as good as cd ... so if you really want the music, that shouldn't keep you. ![]() |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20694 |
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Cool ... Death Magnetic has just broken through into prog territory!
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