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The Mystical
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Topic: Pagan's Mind vs Symphony X Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:55 |
What do you guys think?
I am personally more of a fan of "Pagan's Mind", but as they bear so many similarities, I would like to see who you prefer.
No hate please guys! Keep responses friendly!
Edited by The Mystical - June 27 2012 at 05:57
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:56 |
I love PM, but they broke my heart with the last album, and Symphony X has more good stuff total.
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The Mystical
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:58 |
True, I actually love their new album! Iconoclast is great though.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 06:36 |
I felt like PM weren't even playing Prog Metal any more with their latest. Too much 4/4 time and verse/chorus structure.
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Jbird
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:06 |
Love 'em both but Symphony X is the bees knees.
Something about Nils voice grates on me after awhile. He's got a great voice, don't get me wrong, but after listening to a whole Pagan's Mind album (or the Eidolon album he did) I'm ready to hear someone else sing for awhile.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:08 |
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX.
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CCVP
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 00:57 |
Andy Webb wrote:
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX. |
I hope you mean that they are in a much lower level than SX. 
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tigka_progka
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 01:28 |
Symphony X, although i don't like their latest
stuff.
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sleeper
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 07:03 |
Symphony X are so much better than PM it's not even funny.
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CCVP
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 10:49 |
sleeper wrote:
Symphony X are so much better than PM it's not even funny.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 11:45 |
CCVP wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX. |
I hope you mean that they are in a much lower level than SX.  |
well duh 
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Drew
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 11:47 |
I like both very much- but listen to Symphony X more- so they get my vote.
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CCVP
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:56 |
Andy Webb wrote:
CCVP wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
Symphony X every time.
PM is good, but they're on a totally different level than SX. |
I hope you mean that they are in a much lower level than SX.  |
well duh  |
I can't read your mind, k?
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The Mystical
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 17:44 |
Wow, I see you all passionately prefer Symphony X...how come? To me (just my opinion) they seem not very original. I think I prefer PM because they are more surreal and diverse.
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sleeper
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 19:18 |
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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CCVP
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 21:43 |
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 21:57 |
The Mystical wrote:
Wow, I see you all passionately prefer Symphony X...how come? To me (just my opinion) they seem not very original. I think I prefer PM because they are more surreal and diverse. |
Honestly, I don't listen that diversity (much less originality), they sound extremely close and derivative of Dream Theater IMO.
On the other hand, Symphony X is pretty much one of a kind.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 29 2012 at 21:59
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sleeper
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 05:41 |
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Well, they definitely changed a bit from The Odyssey onwards, but I'm never sure by how much or in what way, other than getting heavier. I know plenty of people say they're less prog but to be honest I dont hear much less from Paradise Lost or Iconoclast compared to Divine Wings... and Twilight in Olympus.
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JS19
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 05:44 |
sleeper wrote:
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Well, they definitely changed a bit from The Odyssey onwards, but I'm never sure by how much or in what way, other than getting heavier. I know plenty of people say they're less prog but to be honest I dont hear much less from Paradise Lost or Iconoclast compared to Divine Wings... and Twilight in Olympus.
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Well all I know is I dislike pre-Odyssey albums and love post-Odyssey albums so there must be some fairly large difference...
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 07:32 |
CCVP wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Pagan's Mind are a pretty bog standard DT clone (and have even stole whole parts of Dream Theater songs for tracks on Celestial Entrance, I was not impressed when I first heard Back to the Magic of Childhood Pt2 (I think its that song, havent listened in several years now) and found it to be a rip off of Learning to Live)with nothing special about them bands like Suspyre and Haken do the same thing with far more creativity and quality.
Blending Neo-Classical Power Metal and prog was a pretty original thing back in the early-mid 90's and, granted SX havent progressed much, if at all, in the near 20 years since but I find their music very enjoyable still with each album. One of the very few vanilla prog metal bands that I still listen to on even a semi regular basis.
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I disagree with you on this last paragraph, bro. They changed their sound since the 90's, but they stagnated after V - Mythology Suite. |
Stagnated? Their last two albums are more metal, and more widely appealing to fans of other sub-genres of metal, than any other of their albums. I, personally, prefer The Odyssey to anything else they've done, but I can recognize the development of their style in the last two albums and appreciate it for what it is as well.
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