Sorry but this is not Prog...

I must say that this is the best organized and most complete prog rock site but I have noticed that some bands listed have nothing to do with prog. I am not talking about bands like Queen or Styx tha t are a little "lighter" but still bands with some prog elements. I am talking about bands that are playing something completely diferent than prog. I am going to give some examples becouse it will make no good to speak about any band I think it falls to it.

Nightwish: A great band that I enjoy to listen but it is totaly power metal. Just becouse they have keyboards doesn't mean they are prog. If we have nightwish here we sould also have Stratovarious, Thunderstone, Sonata Arctica and a hundred such bands. Well guys I thing this is just europower metal and of course most music magazines say the same.

Rhapsody: For God's sake. Look at them ... All their albums are the same. All of them are power metal the Helloween way plus some orchestrecal parts. They don't even make a progress from an album to another. If this is prog then Metallica live with michael Kammen are prog to and so are Rage of XIII and Lingua Mortis albums.

Whaat do you think. I am sure that some of you will agree and you may have noticed such bands yourselves.

Someone must consider them prog if they are here..that one is not me though. The only thing original about Nightwish compared to other pwer metal bands is that Tarja sings opera but that can't qualify to them being prog. I've haerd some songs by htem that maybe can qualify but have they done a whole album?

Of Rhapsody I've only heard a "best of" made by a friend. All I can say is that they are bombastic as hell. and of course that they have made the worst music videos ever.

I do like both bands, at least a bit, and I don't see any real problem of them being here, but I can as well do without them in the archives.

PeeWee wrote: The same arguments can be made about a band like Kraftwerk. If Kraftwerk is included, why are not artists like the Human League, Japan, Gary Numan and Ultravox included?

If Talk Talk are listed in the archives and I assume they still are, then Ultravox and Japan should also be there.

BTW..I like all the aforementioned bands..

Blacksword wrote: PeeWee wrote: The same arguments can be made about a band like Kraftwerk. If Kraftwerk is included, why are not artists like the Human League, Japan, Gary Numan and Ultravox included? If Talk Talk are listed in the archives and I assume they still are, then Ultravox and Japan should also be there. BTW..I like all the aforementioned bands..

gosh,I'm glad I'm not the only one around here who had a soft spot for Ultravox...

Like Cygnus, I totally agree that the bands he pointed out do not fall within the boundaries of this site.

I'm thankful for, as Sean Trane puts it, the inclusive rather than exclusive nature of this site. A good variety of metal bands that are on the Progarchives deserve to be on and should most definitely stay on: Watchtower, Anathema, In The Woods, Atheist, Arcturus, Sieges Even, many more. 

Surely bands like Canvas Solaris and Mekong Delta deserve inclusion over the poor choices of Nightwish and Rhapsody. All due respect to the site's moderators and creators, of course. 

slipperman wrote: Like Cygnus, I totally agree that the bands he pointed out do not fall within the boundaries of this site. I'm thankful for, as Sean Trane puts it, the inclusive rather than exclusive nature of this site. A good variety of metal bands that are on the Progarchives deserve to be on and should most definitely stay on: Watchtower, Anathema, In The Woods, Atheist, Arcturus, Sieges Even, many more.  Surely bands like Canvas Solaris and Mekong Delta deserve inclusion over the poor choices of Nightwish and Rhapsody. All due respect to the site's moderators and creators, of course.

Other examples are some of the bands you mentioned. Watchtower, Sieges Even and almost all the others could anytime replace Nightwish. Although I consider Anathema and In the woods atmospheric metal bands.

Frasse wrote: Blacksword wrote: PeeWee wrote: The same arguments can be made about a band like Kraftwerk. If Kraftwerk is included, why are not artists like the Human League, Japan, Gary Numan and Ultravox included? If Talk Talk are listed in the archives and I assume they still are, then Ultravox and Japan should also be there. BTW..I like all the aforementioned bands.. Isn't Japan there? At least David Sylvain is.

Japan made some crap pop, but albums like Tin Drum are very strange and very progressive IMO..

Yeah, I definetly agree. Nightwish and Rhapsody are not prog... they are simply Power Metal. It's clear they have "some" elements that can be appeared as progressive... but that doesn't make them progressive IMO...