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    Posted: February 01 2023 at 09:16
Like many people, I struggle with the use of the term "epic" to blanket cover long songs that do not express the poetic, mythological/legend elements of conflict and resolution--like all those 20-to-45 minute instrumentals in Berlin School/Progressive Electronic, Krautrock, Space/Psychedelic/Stoner/Jam Band albums & shows. To me an epic should be theatric, a rollercoaster ride, and really should include lyrics to "tell a story" along with the music (though many symphonically-minded instrumental songs truly express the rollercoaster ride of human saga--"The Fall of The House of Usher" by APP, Camel's "The Snow Goose", Focus' "Eruption", and are a few that come to mind--and which I would still include in the category "prog epic").

So, creative people that we are, let's try to come up with a term to describe these "non-epic" long prog songs--a term that we can pretty much all accept and then start to use in our discussions and categorizing polls/lists.

For example:

"Brob Songs" or "BS" (for Brobdingnagian)
or "a Rambler" or "Lothlórien"  
or "Autobahn [-en]" or "autoB" or "AB", "ATB", or "ABN"
or "Yatra" a pilgrimage or long journey/trip with wishful intent
a CTS or MTS ("chronological time suck" or "musical time suck")
a TA or "temporal anomaly" (anomalia temporalibus = "AT"); or a temporal disruption (TD "temporalibus discidium, "Temp-Disc")
a "wormhole" (WH) or "portkey" (PK) or 
a "sonic- " or "auditory road"

I don't think "long-playing" or "LP" says enough as these terms are also used to describe albums (45, EP, LP, CD, etc.)

I know I've been far too cerebral in my examples, so I'll just back down and let you generate your own terms (silly, serious, and or otherwise).
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In the interest of being the opposite of cerebral, I propose an "Ivor".

As in Ivor Biggun.
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Well, good luck with that.
A few years ago I can up with a term that I thought I'd try and get into the popular lexicon.
Whenever someone asked me how I was, I'd respond "Marvy Darvy".
I thought it had a nice ring and the kids would quickly adopt it, make it go viral as they say.
So...how many times have you heard anyone use it?

I thought so.

Good luck !
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With a serious head on, 'long-form' seems to work for me.

But i prefer a local west country term 'a Gurt Lummux' which usually describes someone who's 'fat and lazy' but also applicable when you're presented with something you cant really describe...

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Noodling that goes on for way too log: Grateful-Dead-Air
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For me personally any song over 10 minutes long is an epic. I don't use the term literally. To me it's about song length and that's it. But i fyou want a term for a long song that's not an epic how about ..................................................................................prog.  LOL

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Prong.

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Well, shouldn't the word mimic the description?

I give you...

Tarkugraphzoidbroadbluffcygnulung



Edited by JD - February 01 2023 at 16:10
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Nepics?

Out of those you proposed, Yatra is pretty cool (although it's also a brand).
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I'll stick with "Bitchin' Song"....
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Loooooong song.
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Long-ass prog songs, or LAPS. 
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Epicesque looks kind of nice and would make sense.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Prong.
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There is a metal band named like that (can't say i like them), i honestly don't know if this is an actual word. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Prong.
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There is a metal band named like that (can't say i like them), i honestly don't know if this is an actual word. 
It means the pointed parts of a fork/pitchfork or really the pointed end of anything in general
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Prong.
LOLThumbs Up
 
There is a metal band named like that (can't say i like them), i honestly don't know if this is an actual word. 
It means the pointed parts of a fork/pitchfork or really the pointed end of anything in general


thanks for explaining. Thumbs Up
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Mmm ^
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Having some experience with subject analysis in library metadata, it's normally best to use a term that most people would use for a subject. So, the term for a long song would be long song. In a subject hierarchy, an epic song would be a narrower term (or a subclass) of a long song.

Sorry for being a poophead, but from a communications standpoint, it makes more sense to use a term most people will understand, in and out of prog music.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Having some experience with subject analysis in library metadata, it's normally best to use a term that most people would use for a subject. So, the term for a long song would be long song. In a subject hierarchy, an epic song would be a narrower term (or a subclass) of a long song.

Sorry for being a poophead, but from a communications standpoint, it makes more sense to use a term most people will understand, in and out of prog music.
Pfff...Logic, go figure. Big smile
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