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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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I wouldn't mind donating at all. Although, I don't think getting rid of the banner ads is necessary. What is needed is some discretion as to who is placing the ads. For instance, no audio advertising. This is a music site. A lot of us are trying to hear the samples, or playing music already. I think if some screening is done, a lot of these problems could be averted.
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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I agree thoroughly with the points raised here, especially those by Angelo. It makes sense to have a bar to show how much is being raised (just look at Wikipedia for an example of how this can be implemented).
Maybe if enough money is raised, we can perhaps have rewards for reviewers, collaborators and even normal members? Like a prize draw or something, for those who have contributed. Of course, it wouldn't so secretive then, but I think something could be arranged. I am not asking to be paid for my work, but to get a reward back (like a free CD, a book, a t-shirt &c.) in return would make me happy. It's not essential though. |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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Bad idea, James... That would make things unbearable here. There is already enough strain and competition as it is, and involving money or other kinds of material benefits would spell the end of the site. I've already seen it happen, and I don't want to see it here too.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Well, for me there is enough reward in discovering new artists and I try and pay back by reviewing stuff that isn't well known. I think the happy medium is to have ads that are predominantly musical in nature, don't intrude with sound, and aren't scams. Make it a pay site and I will go away and I hope that's not some sick kind of encouragement to anyone here who'd like to see my annoying ass go away. ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - December 09 2007 at 15:53 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Fair enough. ![]() I can see where you're coming from with this. It would lead to all sorts of issues, such as jealousy for one. I'm quite happy with a free site, but with voluntary donations by those who wish to give them. Maybe a few music related adverts, as Slartibartfast says, but nothing too intruding. I never clicked on adverts when I could see them anyhow, so now I can't see them, I don't have to worry. I do know that having adblock and Firefox isn't benefiting the site financially though. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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yoohoo people..... the ads ARE the problem....
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20070 |
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Good points Dean. I have suggested the mugs and T-shirts before but nothing came of it. I would be prepared to make a donation but what we don't know is the cost of running PA and how much of a contribution would be required to offset the loss of the ads. I don't have a problem with normal ads as I can Adblock them anyway. |
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The Doctor ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
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please make all donations payable to "Chester Edwards" in the form of certified check or money order. Cash will also be accepted, but please no personal checks. I don't trust you lot. Seriously though, if we are donating, shouldn't it be for the good of the site and not for our own personal benefit, whether that benefit be tangible in the form of mugs or t-shirts, or intangible in the form of added control over the site. Then it ceases to be a donation and becomes a purchase. Let's not turn our beloved PA into a business enterprise. Let those who wish to donate do so, with no expectations of any return. Just my two cents. |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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hahahhaha...HEY!!!! Make that payable to 'The BIg Mick' .....and cash IS accepted ahhahah I couldn't agree more Chester.... words of wisdom.... simple donations... give if you want to or can support the site..otherwise... don't and just enjoy it as you always have . ![]() well..... I have my donation ready ... but as has been said.... we'd like to know the costs involved... we don't mind ponying up.... but not overpaying if the costs aren't that high.. .or not giving enough if they are higher than what we think.... either way is a waste of money in my eyes. Either too much.. or not enough Edited by micky - December 09 2007 at 17:04 |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20683 |
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Pretty well agree with everything that's been said here (had not seen this thread earlier today), especially on this donation not obligatory. Younger members simply couldn't afford it.
And as micky says, if you expect returns from donations, don't donate.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Tuzvihar ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 18 2005 Location: C. Schinesghe Status: Offline Points: 13551 |
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I wouldn't mind donating the site. How about making a list of top ten donors?
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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I still say using Firefox and Adblock plus is the answer.
I never see any ads on ProgArchives, ever. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Not everyone is computer savvy though, Tony. Firefox and add-ons aren't exactly user-friendly to those who use IE, or are not completely comfortable with computers. However, Mozilla have made it much easier recently, which is good.
I do agree though, I've not seen an advert here since I started using AdBlock and the addition of NoScript helps even more. The only time I ever see adverts is when I'm at my voluntary work who use IE7, which is complete rubbish. I can never even find the refresh button! |
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heyitsthatguy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
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Tony, I'm sorry but I don't know what the f**k you're talking about
I have the exact adblockers you have and I still have the exact ads as before |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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just my two cents Tony.... not everyone uses them... maybe they should.. maybe they shouldn't... but if you haven't already, check the thread in the collab area they deals with another problem related to this. Removing the ads would... have other benefits ![]() ![]() |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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How much would donatios be?
How often would they have to be given?
How much of an aesthetic improvement will we see on the site (assuming there are no pop-up blockers whatsoever)?
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Man Overboard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
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This can't be the answer, Tony. If everyone implemented this, there'd be no "ad-sights", much less clickthroughs, and then no ad revenue would be generated and the server costs would go unpaid. |
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KoS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 17 2005 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 16310 |
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What about having an ad-free site for subscriptions, and having ads on the site for non-subscribers. Just throwing it out there.
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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Donations should be anonymous, but each donator should have a right to add one artist
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21844 |
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Two questions:
1. Are the profits from these "shady" ads really that big? 2. Is the server hosting really *that* expensive? Maybe one other alternative would be to try to find a cheaper hosting service ... I don't know about Canada, but in Germany there are hosters like www.hetzner.de who don't charge any traffic fees (unlimited traffic at least with a 100MBit uplink). |
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