Miles Davis to be added to the Prog Archives

MikeEnRegalia:
It's a bit fascinating that you spend quite some energy defending the addition of metal artists that at best can be described as in the distant periphery of prog, like Blind Guardian (whose addition I do support as I do have an inclusive view), but that you oppose similar additions in genres that you (by your own words) don't know that well. Don't you agree that policies should be uniform, and that inclusive policies in one genre demands inclusive policies all over? Or what makes these cases different?

I think that we have to accept - given that this site has a vision of being a society of users, and not only of a few owners with veto power (which is fine if that is the vision, but I have understood it otherwise) - that people have very different opinions about what is acceptable under a progressive rock umbrella. For fair treatment and objective standards, inclusive policies - in all genres - is the most reasonable.

Which is why I support adding artists that can be considered and defined as "progressive jazz" or "adventurous pop" or "contemporary progressive" or whatnot - which is just as prog as the vast majority of "Tech/Extreme" artists IMO. Prog rock resource or not - the rock part is perhaps not only a positive constraint.

I believe that adressed your point as well, Rocktopus.


Edited by Desoc - August 04 2008 at 07:16

i would say MD should be included, even if only for the "Bitches Brew" , "Jack Johnson" and "Man with the Horn" albums, but the rest is purely jazz going in to hip hop territory...

Edited by mystic fred - August 04 2008 at 07:30

Of course!
Miles made jazz progressive, electric, and more interesting.
Who can say that "In a Silent Way" & "Bitches Brew" wasn't the embryo to 70's Jazz-rock-fusion?

micky wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: But *if* he is added then we should also add John Coltrane, and Ornette Coleman. huh

Maybe not Jazz-Rock/Fusion, but still very influential on Prog. Adding Miles Davis would surely lead to many, many requests of other Jazz artists to be added. Coltrane and Coleman would make sense to be added as prog related IMO, *if* (and only if) Miles Davis was added. 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Desoc wrote: MikeEnRegalia: It's a bit fascinating that you spend quite some energy defending the addition of metal artists that at best can be described as in the distant periphery of prog, like Blind Guardian (whose addition I do support as I do have an inclusive view), but that you oppose similar additions in genres that you (by your own words) don't know that well. Don't you agree that policies should be uniform, and that inclusive policies in one genre demands inclusive policies all over? Or what makes these cases different? I don't exactly "oppose" this addition ... from what I've heard (Kind of Blue, Bitches Brew) I simply don't think that the artist should be added as Jazz-Fusion. It's just an opinion, and I will happily accept any decision in this matter. I'm aware of what you're saying re Blind Guardian ... maybe this is indeed a similar situation. IMHO we'll have to find experts on Jazz-Fusion and let them decide, but that doesn't mean that nobody except them is allowed to have an opinion.

opinion noted Mike... but you only gave half a one hahha....  where then is he to be added....  I can cook up that  his grandfather was a paesano...  I can add him in RPI I guess if J-R isn't suitable enough for the one who is recognized as one the main founders of it

just to make note....  I'm not adding them them on a wing and a prayer that it will hold up under scrutiny hahha. We've been discussing him for some time. Martin has written a bio.. and will be used for his addition if he chooses.. and also under Dick's 'wing', who has increased my knowledge of this sub immensely especially  with his help when  I added Tony Williams. It hasn't been a question of if he is to be added... if I may be frank... anyone with a passing knowledge of J-R fusion should see Miles's place in it, but a matter of how he was to be added.  For that... I guess I'm taking the bulls by the horn.  Things get discussed to death here to the point where addtions don't happen.  That is our collabs know.. is a problem that is trying to be resolved.

 

damn... was hoping you'd tell me that RPI was better for him 

Is this poll for Miles to be added as prog related or as a prog artist. Addition polls are often inconclusive because they are not clear on this, so some say no he's not prog, others say yes, he's prog related.

Easy Money wrote: Hi Bob, I think a lot of us were probably assuming he would be in jazz-rock fusion, maybe I'm wrong.

I always speak of fitting octagonal pegs into round holes here...  he was a hard one to peg.. so we thought about it a bit...  

exerpts from a PM between Martin and myself

ISP/RPI/WTF/KMA? : not  wasn't Italian enough ...
Symph?: not regressive enough for symphonic
Post-Rock? : not   *........?* enough
Xover: not   pop enough
Eclectic:  distinct jazz influence hahah
hard ..errr.. heavy prog: wasn't hard enough to be heavy
RIO/Avant: too melodic and listenable


figured J-R was as good a place for him as any.....

I believe that Davis would be a terrific addition, and absolutely support it. 

And incidentally, since Coltrane was mentioned, some day I'd like too see him here.

I agree most, Draith. (especially hating the all or nothing policy) But before Bitches Brew, Miles had already recorded Water Babies, Miles in The Sky, Filles de Kilimanjaro and In a Silent Way. Not progressive enough?