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Trickster F. 
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 Posted: March 23 2007 at 15:06 |
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I still haven't heard them.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 23 2007 at 15:29 |
 Shwang_Shwinga wrote:
I'm with you guys all the way, Co&Ca ought to be Prog Metal or Art Rock, at LEAST prog-related. I had just started a similar thread, but some admin shut it down (put me in my place) and sent me a link to this one. Come to think of it, most of the admins (or at least the one's I have seen thusfar) aren't very welcoming to new members
Anyway, if you really doubt their prog status, I'm definitely sending in that application to yous guys.
Thanks for hearing us out.
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Perhaps you could clarify the statement in bold by PM to me Shwang. Which admins have you dealt with so far, and how did you find them "unwelcoming"? It is important that I understand why you felt compelled to make such a statement.
The site works best when there is one thread on a particular topic, rather than fragmented discussions. Closing a thread and asking you to use another one is not a slight on anyone, just a practical solution.
On the subject of C&C, they don't really fit in with the definition of Prog related (which as I've said many times is not a fall back category). That's not to say they should not be considered for other prog categories.
I look forward to hearing from you by PM Schwang.
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micky
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 01:34 |
Shwang_Shwinga wrote:
I'm with you guys all the way, Co&Ca ought to be Prog Metal or Art Rock, at LEAST prog-related. I had just started a similar thread, but some admin shut it down (put me in my place) and sent me a link to this one. Come to think of it, most of the admins (or at least the one's I have seen thusfar) aren't very welcoming to new members
Anyway, if you really doubt their prog status, I'm definitely sending in that application to yous guys.
Thanks for hearing us out.
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read your post... and ask yourself why you were put in your place. If you want your views taken seriously.. don't act like a troll or some punk. Make your point and avoid saying things like you did about groups like the Doors like you did, you'll find yourself quite welcome here if you do.
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Prog-jester
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 16:44 |
Trickster F. wrote:
I still haven't heard them. |
Better do it. I heard "The Second Stage Turbine Blade" and already put it into "Prog" folder on my PC  Gonna check two more albums soon.
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progismylife
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 16:48 |
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I don't think they are prog at all. And I dislike the band and forced myself to listen to the whole album without turning it off in disgust. I did not hear any prog elements even though I have heard that they have been compared to Rush, but, as an avid Rush fan, I cannot hear any similarities. They are not prog, imo.
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Philéas
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 17:24 |
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^If you dislike the band before listening for Prog similarities you are biased, I'm afraid.
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progismylife
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Posted: March 24 2007 at 19:46 |
Philéas wrote:
^If you dislike the band before listening for Prog similarities you are biased, I'm afraid.
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Sorry I kind of goofed that up. I heard it was like Rush so I listened for some prog and stuff and found myself not liking it and finding it to have no progressive rock elements. I wasn't biased. I discovered I didn't like it and discovered no prog elements at the same time.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 09:01 |
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What album did you listen to?
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toolis
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 09:05 |
micky wrote:
toolis wrote:
i find many similarities to Mars Volta and apart from that, i, too, think they fit in Art Rock...
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send it through the proper channels, with all the info (bio, samples and the such) and we'll take a looksie at them.<font size="7"> |
i would if i really was into them.. i only own one album and heard some songs from other releases of theirs but that's it.. maybe, in the future...
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progismylife
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 09:36 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
What album did you listen to? |
Don't remember the name since I deleted it off my computer but it had a track entitled 21:13
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 11:25 |
Well, it was not IV for sure. Probalby III. Get IV and then you might have some fun. Its 100% prog. 
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chopper
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:50 |
Shwang_Shwinga wrote:
I'm with you guys all the way, Co&Ca ought to be Prog Metal or Art Rock, at LEAST prog-related. I had just started a similar thread, but some admin shut it down (put me in my place) and sent me a link to this one. Come to think of it, most of the admins (or at least the one's I have seen thusfar) aren't very welcoming to new members
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That's a very insulting comment aimed at a fine bunch of people who do a lot of good (unpaid) work for this forum. It sounds to me like your thread was just closed because there was already one on the same subject.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 18:51 |
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21:13 is the bonus track on In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3, which is definitely a prog song.
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Shwang_Shwinga
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 20:13 |
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Yeah, guys, excellent! I'm glad to see a lot of support. I'm trying to work out an enormous e-mail to the request line on this site that'll most definitely get Co&Ca into the ProgArchives.
By the way, I fully retract my previous statements about the admins. I had a skewed perspective on things and I really apologize for all of that.
I hope we can just start over?
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 26 2007 at 03:58 |
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Cheers SS, much appreciated.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: March 26 2007 at 10:04 |
Shwang_Shwinga wrote:
By the way, I fully retract my previous statements about the admins. I had a skewed perspective on things and I really apologize for all of that.
I hope we can just start over? |
No problem,SS.
I always respect anyone who is enough of an adult to make a sincere apology.
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Prog-jester
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Posted: March 26 2007 at 10:14 |
Just listened to "In keeping secrets..." . If it's not Prog, I'm gonna sell my soul to Justin Timberlake!!!  Seriously - very good and diverse
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Prog-jester
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Posted: March 26 2007 at 11:19 |
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Inspired by "In keeping secrets", turned "Good Apollo..." on. This one is even better! Very good! Imagine Mars Volta mixed with Metallica and Oceansize!!!
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jmcdaniel_ee
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 12:51 |
Time for a newb's $0.02. If I may be so bold to generalize, I suspect most people object to C&C's inclusion because their music sounds like emo/punk. Well, if that's your litmus test, then I could sing Louie Louie in a British accent, with a mellotron, flute, and hammond organ and it would become instant prog. Someone unfamiliar with Jethro Tull could listen to the first 10 minutes of Thick as a Brick or Songs from the Wood and call it folk, because it does sound like folk. C&C's music has multiple parts, story-lines, and themes that re-occur in different songs on the album. Just because it sounds like emo punk doesn't mean it can't still be progressive.
Also, if you object to them, please make sure you're not basing your opinions off of songs from MTV or the Radio. This would be the equivalent of being against including ELP because you only heard From the Beginning or Still You Turn Me On.
Listen to the first 3 songs on Good Apollo IV: The first is a classical string piece, that by the way, appears in various forms at the beginning of each album. The second song is a folksy acoustic song that seems strange and enigmatic, especially because it end's with the phrase "I'm still waiting here, to kill all of you." By the end of the second song, you still have no idea what genre the music is generally. The 3rd song (Welcome Home) starts in and you hear a powerful, driving theme, establishing the general mood of the rest of the album. In each album you have theatric vocal roles, story-lines, re-occuring themes, longer songs with multiple parts, key changes, etc. It may sound like emo, but if those aren't elements of progressive rock, I don't know what are.
Edited by jmcdaniel_ee - May 01 2007 at 12:53
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Chus
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 17:54 |
salmacis wrote:
^That's a pretty good summary of why they could be included in prog related. The thing with them for me though is that they have all the elements in place but the emo influence dominates it too much, for my taste at least. I think if they toned that down the prog would probably come out a bit more.
I thought this band had been added and withdrawn not long after...was that before the prog related category?? |
Well if death metal could, so could emo and even punk... who knows, the Thirsty Selenits can get here perhaps in JR/F 
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