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bucka001 
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 Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:51 |
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As far as Plague vs 2112, I was never a big Rush fan and remember hearing 2112 in high school. Maybe I'd like it more now. I will say this, though. Rush was influenced by VdGG so 2112 may have been influenced by the grand scope of Plague. Wouldn't surprise me.
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bucka001
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 05:45 |
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the  ?
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bucka001
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 04:22 |
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Actually heard 2112 recently and liked it more than I thought I would!
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 06:17 |
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I'm equally indifferent to both tracks to be honest.
Overall I prefer Rush to VDGG, but VDGG have made some masterful music. Plague, however, just leaves me cold.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 06:48 |
bucka001 wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
Victory. Like i've said before - Rush > VDGG for me, but Plauge is MUCH more fresh to me. So i choose it.
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bucka001
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 04:37 |
Horizons wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
Victory. Like i've said before - Rush > VDGG for me, but Plauge is MUCH more fresh to me. So i choose it. |
I'm the opposite. VdGG is my fave band, but I've heard Plague so many times (and each time is still an adventure) that 2112 would be fresh and 'newer' to me. As for 'Victory', I think Snowdog just wasn't aware that Rush was influenced by VdGG (a fact that Geddy has stated on several occasions), but there still was no reason to post a , which was sort of an ignorant, especially in this case, thing to do. But c'est la vie.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 04:46 |
bucka001 wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
None of this proves that 2112 was inspired by Plague in particular. he seems to have been inspired by other bands too. Highlighting VDGG does not make me miss that. So I disagree basically but maybe your statement is not so laughable.
Edited by Snow Dog - June 02 2012 at 04:49
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bucka001
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 04:52 |
Snow Dog wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
None of this proves that 2112 was inspired by Plague in particular. he seems to have been inspired by other bands too. Highlighting VDGG does not make me miss that. So I disagree basically but maybe your statement is not so laughable.
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Fair enough. I would just say that Geddy specifically stated that 2112 was inspired by VdGG and a few other prog bands. Plague is the classic sidelong VdGG epic. 2112 is a sidelong epic. So I originally stated that Plague might (i.e. just a possibility) have been an influence, as far as scope and ambition. Don't think one could disagree that it might have been an influence.
Edited by bucka001 - June 02 2012 at 05:05
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 05:31 |
bucka001 wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
None of this proves that 2112 was inspired by Plague in particular. he seems to have been inspired by other bands too. Highlighting VDGG does not make me miss that. So I disagree basically but maybe your statement is not so laughable.
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Fair enough. I would just say that Geddy specifically stated that 2112 was inspired by VdGG and a few other prog bands. Plague is the classic sidelong VdGG epic. 2112 is a sidelong epic. So I originally stated that Plague might (i.e. just a possibility) have been an influence, as far as scope and ambition. Don't think one could disagree that it might have been an influence.
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No I couldn't disagree with that.
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bucka001
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 05:41 |
Snow Dog wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
None of this proves that 2112 was inspired by Plague in particular. he seems to have been inspired by other bands too. Highlighting VDGG does not make me miss that. So I disagree basically but maybe your statement is not so laughable.
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Fair enough. I would just say that Geddy specifically stated that 2112 was inspired by VdGG and a few other prog bands. Plague is the classic sidelong VdGG epic. 2112 is a sidelong epic. So I originally stated that Plague might (i.e. just a possibility) have been an influence, as far as scope and ambition. Don't think one could disagree that it might have been an influence.
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No I couldn't disagree with that. |
Ian, just curious. Did you ever see VdGG back in the day? I started a thread ages ago (which I just bumped up) asking if anybody saw the group back in the 70's. I've seen the band a hundred times since the '05 reunion (and will fly out to NYC from my home of Chicago at the end of the month to see and hang out with them again), but the 70's VdGG era is almost mythical to someone who wasn't there. It looks like you would have been 15 or 16 in '75/'76. Maybe that was still too young for kids to see concerts, but did you ever see them in the 70s? If so, how was it?
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 05:48 |
bucka001 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
bucka001 wrote:
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1) http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/20060426ugo.htmUGO: In the 1970s, there were lots of amazing progressive rock bands that played very technically complex music. Was that what you were born from? GEDDY: As our tastes got more obscure, we discovered more progressive rock based, bands like Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator and King Crimson, and we were very inspired by those bands. They made us want to make our music more interesting and more complex and we tried to blend that with our own personalities to see what we could come up with that was indisputably us. That took a while, but I think 2112 was the first record where we accomplished that and created a sound for ourselves. N: Geddy, what to you is real prog rock? You know, ELP, Yes, Amon Duul, Can, Gentle Giant? What to you is real prog rock? G: Well, prog rock, I'm afraid, is a dying or an outdated form of music. Nobody's really carrying the tradition on, but in its day, Van der Graaf Generator and, at times, Genesis and, you know, Yes - those bands were interesting to me. 3) "Contents Under Pressure: 30 Years of Rush at Home and Away" p.25 "We were influenced by bands like Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, and ELP. They were progressive bands in every sense of the word, and as musicians we were influenced by that kind of playing and structure." So, Snowdog... why the ? |
None of this proves that 2112 was inspired by Plague in particular. he seems to have been inspired by other bands too. Highlighting VDGG does not make me miss that. So I disagree basically but maybe your statement is not so laughable.
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Fair enough. I would just say that Geddy specifically stated that 2112 was inspired by VdGG and a few other prog bands. Plague is the classic sidelong VdGG epic. 2112 is a sidelong epic. So I originally stated that Plague might (i.e. just a possibility) have been an influence, as far as scope and ambition. Don't think one could disagree that it might have been an influence.
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No I couldn't disagree with that. |
Ian, just curious. Did you ever see VdGG back in the day? I started a thread ages ago (which I just bumped up) asking if anybody saw the group back in the 70's. I've seen the band a hundred times since the '05 reunion (and will fly out to NYC from my home of Chicago at the end of the month to see and hang out with them again), but the 70's VdGG era is almost mythical to someone who wasn't there. It looks like you would have been 15 or 16 in '75/'76. Maybe that was still too young for kids to see concerts, but did you ever see them in the 70s? If so, how was it? |
Short answer..no. I was aware of VDGG back then and saw them play on TV but never actually got around to buying any albums back then. Money was in short supply and I chose other bands. Also by some curious chance none of my friends had any albums. I did play with the idea of purchasing something but time passed and I forgot them eventually. I finally bought H to He back in the late nineties or early two thousands in HMV. I didn't like it. But I have heard a lot since then and they are definitely growing on me.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 13:41 |
Lighthouse Keepers over 2112 2112 (album) over Pawn Hearts
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 16:00 |
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2112 (album) over Pawn Hearts |
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 21:06 |
I think side two of 2112 a little better thank side one of Pan Hearts. Plus, Rush gets extra points because they're the greatest band ever.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 21:42 |
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Posted: June 05 2012 at 07:26 |
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Ian, just curious. Did you ever see VdGG back in the day? |
Short answer..no. I was aware of VDGG back then and saw them play on TV but never actually got around to buying any albums back then. |
Damn, just seeing them on TV back then is cool enough for me!  I have a lot of old VdGG/PH TV appearances in my personal collection, but every once in a while I'll come across someone who actually saw them on television in the 70's. Don't know why, but that's just cool to me (probably because of the group's lack of presence in the States, where I'm from; just makes the whole "VdGG in the 70's" thing even more mythical... ). Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: June 05 2012 at 07:29 |
Van Damme Generator for me. 2112 is brilliant just before you go out on the town though.
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