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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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I don't think that "Ryme..." is particularly proggy - and both Judas Priest and Metallica are at least equally influential on Prog Metal. Both bands also have at least as many Prog tracks as Iron Maiden - Metallica more so. |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20698 |
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Not prog, but progressive. I really think that particular in this case (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth) this distinction is useful ... "prog" denotes a genre, while "progressive" is merely an attribute which stands for "innovative, a little bit ahead of their time, genre-expanding". So while Iron Maiden never sounded like Dream Theater (prog), they were definitely progressive on some albums. The pity is that on every album they also have 100% mainstream songs that are neither prog nor progressive ...
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toolis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
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we mustn't confuse tech metal with prog metal... My Dying Bride had long tracks cause they are a doom metal band not proggy at all... bands like Sepultura or Coroner and Autopsy are/were tech thrash/death, not prog metal... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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toolis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
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i didn't mean to offend anyone, i thought you would receive it as a joke, my apologies if i didn't make clear that i wasn't serious... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24392 |
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OK, apology accepted... However, next time you'd better use emoticons if you want to make your meaning clearer! They've been invented for such purposes, as written language can't convey the same meanings as spoken language does, and as such it can lead to misunderstandings.
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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I agree your categorizations, and I'm sure you know about the metal stuff more than me, but the features mentioned here (long tracks, unconventional rhtyhms) are still the same to which many people point when claiming some bands as progressive, won't you agree?
I think it's about violently pushing the barriers of theoretical fences, which create territories for conceptual entities. "This is PROG!" One could also claim that all jazz influenced prog rock which are here labelled as jazz rock / fusion, is not prog at all, but they are jazz! Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - September 06 2006 at 08:33 |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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Good point. Al di Meola for instance is more jazz than he is prog. And there are much more of these artists in PA. |
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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I was exposed to Iron Maiden in my youth. They sounded great, but I was getting into Genesis at the time. I very easily could have gone the Metal route.
Because of the renewed interest, I decided to check them out again. I just picked up "The Number of the Beast," "Powerslave," and "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son." "Beast" is very good metal, but only gets proggy on the last two tracks. "Poweslave" is very much in the realm of prog. "Seventh Son" is Prog. It seems that like many bands here, they evolved into prog. I have had this assessment confirmed by other fans.This is Prog Metal, and (IMO) better than any of the big bands on this site. The compositions are very strong. Remember, this is coming from an old man too. ![]() |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24392 |
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HT, my dearest fellow horseman -
![]() ![]() BTW, your new sig is fantastic, and I endorse that 100%... ![]() Anyway, though we may be the Four (or five?) Horsemen, I'm afraid we're very much flogging the proverbial dead horse in this particular case... ![]() |
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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Ah, Raffaella, you are too sweet. ![]() The old man thing was in response to an earlier comment. It may never happen, but perhaps some more people will check out this quality metal band. |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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Well, you more or less convinced me. I would no longer mind seeing Iron Maiden in Prog Related. ![]() Edited by Joren - September 06 2006 at 13:43 |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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Err... I think pretty much EVERYONE knows Iron Maiden. ![]() |
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. They aren't exactly on top anymore. I'm sure there are fans of the modern bands who have never heard an Iron Maiden album. |
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Lex C ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 11 2006 Status: Offline Points: 246 |
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Iron Maiden progressed metal, not music alltogether. So while they have proggy undertones, concept albums and even a few prog songs, they are not a prog band. They helped and still do help metal as one of the godfathers of the genre, nonetheless metal was around before them.
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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I was unsure about it as well. Give "Powerslave" and "Seventh Son" another listen. |
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Taking that description, then we should be considering all genres of electronica, like Trance, Jungle, Drum and Bass and all the recent derivatives with silly names. We should also be seriously thinking about Punk - how violently were the barriers pushed by that music? Then there's rap, techno, chill-out, and all the other popular forms in which barriers have been pushed if not broken. In short, that reasoning by itself is insufficient. And I have to say that reasoning is in short supply in this thread... |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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http://www.last.fm/charts/music/artist/ they are higher on the list than even R.E.M., Guns N' Roses, Rammstein, AC/DC and Korn. I really think Iron Maiden is still the prototypical metal band and therefore a must-hear for rock/metal fans (Metallica as well, of course). |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24392 |
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So, why do you bother to post here, if we are all unreasoning brutes? Do you realise that this is not a very complimentary remark, or is it just that you don't care? ![]() |
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Lex C ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 11 2006 Status: Offline Points: 246 |
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I have Powerslave, not 7th Sun yet, yeah, that album has prog like things, but it is not a prog or progressive album.
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toolis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
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true, i agree that jazz can't be prog as we mean it and Al Di Meola isn't prog and i don't agree with his being in the PA... i'm on board with this...and even if some people tend to label any band that has long tracks or super tech music, "prog", i don't care.. to me, they'll never be... so, i guess we are pointing out the same thing, guys... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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