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Posted: February 04 2005 at 08:36

i agree

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 13:44

Originally posted by Joren

Ayreon is great (who would disagree with me there?)

I know I certainly would........................not! Ayreon is great.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 13:13

Originally posted by goose

edit: to AngelRat: I absolutely love the new Samael (the songs I've heard, anyway). What is it you don't like?

I haven't heard the new one yet, but was slightly disappointed with 'Eternal' and the mcd 'Exodus'. IMO they just followed the formula set on 'Passage' without really adding interesting new elements to it. I should add that I only heard 'Eternal' a few times at a friends house.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 12:39

Originally posted by semismart

Oh but I think they are. That's the point, each one is in a Sub-genre that is a derivative of Prog Rock or Prog metal In effect Prog Rock/Metal is the daddy of many Sub-genres like Symphonic Metal (Nightwish and Therion etc.), Epic Power Metal (Rhapsody, Sonata Arctica etc.), Gothic Metal (Tristania, Within Temptation etc,) Darkwave (Lacrimosa, Dargaard etc), Neo Classical Prog (Arena, Marillion, Mostly Autumn etc) and so forth.

I think everyone on Prog Archives is trying to be such purists that they are denying the roots of most of Europes non pop/non hip-hop rock based music

I don't think symphonic metal is derived from prog rock (or prog metal, for that matter). Nearly all the sounds can be traced back to Devil Doll (or various gothers), and while Devil Doll are progressive, they were totally removed from any sort of prog scene. Likewise the sort of power metal you mention is oftentimes 80s worship but faster. Gothic metal comes from goth (obviously). I'm not up on darkwave but it seems to have roots in goth and ambient. Finally, Arena and Marillion are neo progressive, not neo classical!

edit: I didn't read your follow-up post. But still, there aren't really any elements of prog I can hear in most symphonic metal, power metal, gothic metal or darkwave. I do qualify that with most, though, since I assume Hammers of Misfortune would get lumped in with power metal, and they sound very proggy to me.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 12:34

I find
Lacrimosa,Samael
fantastic,

Therion, Ayreon, Evergrey, Mostly Autumn, Moonsorrow,
fairly good,

Pendragon, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Symphony X, Within Temptation, Threshold,
alright but a bit dull

Sonata Arctica, Kamelot,
horrible

and haven't heard
DGM, Everon, Gary Hughes, Cornerstone, The Sins of Thy Beloved, Mob Rules, GB Arts.

edit: to AngelRat: I absolutely love the new Samael (the songs I've heard, anyway). What is it you don't like?

Edited by goose

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 12:25

I like Therion. Especially their last double album 'Lemuria / Sirius B'. I liked Samael up 'til 'Passage' but never cared too much for the stuff after that. Ayreon has it's moments. Generally speaking I don't like prog metal too much (except for a few bands) and most of those gothic bands suck.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 11:46

Originally posted by Valarius

Originally posted by Metropolis

Originally posted by arkitek

Dream Theater (James Labrie's side band from ayreon).

????

Oh yeah... I've just noticed that. WTF?

I believe that was a joke based on the emoticon.

Anywho, if any of you poor souls haven't yet heard Ayreon's The Human Equation, do yourself a favour and buy it now. The best prog album of the new millenium.

I've also been into Therion lately. I'm not sure about their prog credentials either, but they're on PA so go figure.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 09:52

At this point, I'm only familiar with Ayreon and Symphony X off that list, and I truly love them.

The vocalist from Mostly Autumn deserves credit as a good singer--that I know from hearing her on The Human Equation, but I don't know enough about the style of music to know if I'd like their albums or not.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 09:43

Originally posted by Metropolis

Originally posted by arkitek

Dream Theater (James Labrie's side band from ayreon).

????

Oh yeah... I've just noticed that. WTF?

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 09:42

Originally posted by arkitek

Dream Theater (James Labrie's side band from ayreon).

????

We Lost the Skyline............

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 09:33

I only like Symphony X from that list.

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Posted: January 31 2005 at 06:44

Ayreon, Evergrey,Symphony X, NIghtwish,Mostly Autumn and pendragon are all amazin, i only no of these bands coz of my dad he got me into ayreon and pendragon another band thats worth checkin out is Dream Theater (James Labrie's side band from ayreon).

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Posted: March 11 2004 at 23:36

Originally posted by symphonyxxx

ProgMetal is my faveourite typre of progressive music, altough all progressive music is great.. I couldnt live without bands such as Symphony X, threshold and Aryeon. I agree with what semismart says about sub genres.

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Posted: March 11 2004 at 14:10

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Posted: March 10 2004 at 18:57

Originally posted by Joren

I'm sorry, but Within Temptation is not a progband. They play Gothic-metal. Good Gothic metal, but still... How can something like Gothic be progressive anyway. It's one big hype.

I guess people are misunderstanding where I'm coming from. Of course Gothic Metal is not Prog-rock but it came from Prog-rock the way prog-rock came from rock and roll which came from Rhythm and Blues etc.

Progressive rock and metal were the jumping off point formany sub genres, Gothic included.

What many members on this site seem to like and discuss is what I think of as straight Prog-Rock

I actually wrote an essay on this subject which is posted on Epinions. If you'd like to see more of this viewpoint here are links to these posts:

http://www.epinions.com/content_3597115524

http://www.epinions.com/content_3630669956

If you read them, let me know what you think.

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Posted: March 10 2004 at 13:05

Almost all gothic,

Got a Promo cd from Therion, the next day my brother took it with him, never seen it again..

and by the way.. Within Temptation?? Kate Bush!

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Posted: March 09 2004 at 04:27

semismart: yes, I guess you are right. too.

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Posted: March 07 2004 at 11:22

I'm sorry, but Within Temptation is not a progband. They play Gothic-metal. Good Gothic metal, but still... How can something like Gothic be progressive anyway. It's one big hype.

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Posted: March 06 2004 at 21:00

Originally posted by janhuss

PS. some of them, as I guess you know, aren't prog. (therion, moonsorrow, nightwish, the sins of thy beloved, within temptation...). or lacrimosa. but some of them are

I think everyone on Prog Archives is trying to be such purists that they are denying the roots of most of Europes non pop/non hip-hop rock based music

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Posted: March 03 2004 at 14:49

Mostly Autumn are one of my favorite bands. I saw them 6 times last year and have met and chatted to everyone in the band on several occasions.

I am not convinced I can put them in the prog bracket though but then I suppose I dont really know what defines prog.