Therion, Ayreon, Evergrey etc.

I like Therion. Especially their last double album 'Lemuria / Sirius B'. I liked Samael up 'til 'Passage' but never cared too much for the stuff after that. Ayreon has it's moments. Generally speaking I don't like prog metal too much (except for a few bands) and most of those gothic bands suck.

Originally posted by semismart Oh but I think they are. That's the point, each one is in a Sub-genre that is a derivative of Prog Rock or Prog metal  In effect Prog Rock/Metal is the daddy of many Sub-genres like Symphonic Metal (Nightwish and Therion etc.), Epic Power Metal (Rhapsody, Sonata Arctica etc.), Gothic Metal (Tristania, Within Temptation etc,) Darkwave (Lacrimosa, Dargaard etc), Neo Classical Prog (Arena, Marillion, Mostly Autumn etc) and so forth. I think everyone on Prog Archives is trying to be such purists that they are denying the roots of most of Europes non pop/non hip-hop rock based music

I don't think symphonic metal is derived from prog rock (or prog metal, for that matter). Nearly all the sounds can be traced back to Devil Doll (or various gothers), and while Devil Doll are progressive, they were totally removed from any sort of prog scene. Likewise the sort of power metal you mention is oftentimes 80s worship but faster. Gothic metal comes from goth (obviously). I'm not up on darkwave but it seems to have roots in goth and ambient. Finally, Arena and Marillion are neo progressive, not neo classical!

edit: I didn't read your follow-up post. But still, there aren't really any elements of prog I can hear in most symphonic metal, power metal, gothic metal or darkwave. I do qualify that with most, though, since I assume Hammers of Misfortune would get lumped in with power metal, and they sound very proggy to me.


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Originally posted by Joren Ayreon is great (who would disagree with me there?)

I know I certainly would........................not!  Ayreon is great.