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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16163 |
Posted: October 19 2014 at 22:33 | ||
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Genesis Jethro Tull ELP Pink Floyd Rush King Crimson Kansas Gentle Giant Renaissance Focus All of these were a HUGE part of the FM radio growth in the West Coast. They were not the only ones, but the longer cuts and the quality of the work, showed off that AM radio was just a teeny boppers' top ten bubble gum music! At the time, FM radio, was the alternative to the commercial top ten. Gong Magma PFM Banco Amon Duul 2 Can Tangerine Dream Mike Oldfield Van der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill These were folks that took music a lot further than was imagined, and for the most part they did not get the audience in radio as the respect that they get today, 40+ years after they first appeared in the scene. Their music was highly developed and well played and was not quite designed for radio play at all, although they did find their way into it on one piece or two. On the 21st century, things are so different, and the advent of the Internet, has now brought all of these alive, and extended their life an incredible amount of time, and all of them have shown the value of the quality of music they put together regardeless of its definition as progressive or not. As a sidebar, from 1974 on for over 25 years, a lot of this music was featured, and then some, on Space Pirate Radio by Guy Guden, who remains the one radio jockey that was less afraid of playing things than anyone else out there in the last 45 years!
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richardh
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 01:11 | ||
^ interesting that GG were one of the bands that were played a lot on radio. I would have expected them to be in the second list. Vice versa on Mike Oldfield who I would have thought would have been played more ( there was a TB edit especially for radio)
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Kati
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 02:31 | ||
Mars Volta is one of the most impressive recent bands at the time that appeared, I am happy to see them on your list too besides Transatlantic and the flower kings too :) hugs
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 11:46 | ||
You don't seem to grasp the concept of influence. If a band never pioneered or innovated anything in the first place there's very little chance their music will have significant influence on other performers. Tortoise is more influential to other bands than SB, TFK and Kansas combined. But of course if you don't include PA subgenres such as Progressive Electronic or Post Rock in your PROG circle there's not much point in discussing with you. Tons of experimental modern rock bands are in direct depth to Tortoise's works made from the mid-90's -early 00's. (and plenty of them are included on PA). Who are the actual bands and artists inspired by this 1974 debuting prog-related group, or those two backwards looking retroproggers anyway? Can you name ten bands on PA influenced by Kansas? Can you name even a handful inspired by SB and TFK? As Horizon more or less says - its more likely that jus like SB and TFK themselves, most other retroproggers look to the pioneering 70's bands an not their cheap imitations. |
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:02 | ||
First off if you want to continue the argument please mention the prog tribute album to Tortoise. I am still waiting for you to tell me about it. You can't because there is none. The Flower Kings do have one therefore the Flower Kings are more influential in prog circles and among prog fans(not to mention they have way more ratings on here than your Tortoise). You don't need to be experimental or super unique to be influential or popular. The Beatles and the Rolling Stones weren't very original sounding when they first started out. In fact they copied and borrowed stuff from blues and r and b guys. Same thing with Led Zeppelin. Look how influential they are! Edited by Prog_Traveller - October 20 2014 at 14:10 |
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:10 | ||
Continue to argue? This is my first post after I posted my list. But you don't need a big audience to be influential (most artists that has a really big audience aren't influential at all) you just need to have influenced many to create their own stuff. And btw. Tortoise has sold a lot more albums than TFK and SB. I agree that you are wrong and I am right.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:11 | ||
Bla, blah blah blah blah. Send me a pm dude. I'm only going to continue this discussion in a pm not on here. Something tells me you won't.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:12 | ||
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:13 | ||
Well you totally missed the point as well as being out of arguments because I am right and you are wrong.
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richardh
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:18 | ||
I can't claim credit for the list unfortunately (see the OP) , I just brought some order to it hopefully.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:18 | ||
Finally. Ok folks back to the discussion after I made it clear that TFK, SB and Kansas are bigger and more influential in PROG CIRCLES and as prog bands. Tortoise can climb back in to their little post rock shell now. Yay. I win. :)
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:19 | ||
It really seems to me that when the bands mentioned their influences, among others of the prog legends, the most mentioned band is Pink Floyd.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:23 | ||
[It really seems to me that when the bands mentioned their influences, among others of the prog legends, the most mentioned band is Pink Floyd.] As a blanket statement that is hard to prove. Over all they are indeed the most popular and possibly the most influential. However, the problem lies with the fact that they are not the band most closely associated with prog therefore my vote would be either YES or Genesis. I can even understand when people nominate KC. That said I agree with PF being the most popular but like I said they aren't universally associated with prog the way YES is or even PG era Genesis.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:34 | ||
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:41 | ||
Funny because that's exactly what I think you were doing. |
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SteveG
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:47 | ||
KC it was, and will always be.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 15:00 | ||
Your measure for influence is a Billy Sherwood knock-off album?
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Ian
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 16:16 | ||
Not only the great prog albums (e.g. In The Court of The Crimson King) were influential. Pink Floyd's music in so beautiful love scene and especially in that stunning final scene of Zabriskie Point (1970) the film by Michelangelo Antonioni was equally astonishing at that time as e.g. the final scene of Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey with the starchild and Also sprach Zarathustra the symphonic poem by Richard Strauss. Those motion pictures and soundtrack are engraved in the minds of generations. I don't remember that my fav prog band King Crimson has something like that in their catalogue.
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terramystic
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 16:28 | ||
Ah, I forgot to list MO in the overall popularity list! I would place him right after Pink Floyd.
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Horizons
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 16:34 | ||
It seems i'm not the only one that fails to see Prog_Travellers logic.
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