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    Posted: October 20 2014 at 09:05
With many new Prog bands like Haken, Karnavool, Moon Safari, The Pineapple Thief and TesseracT turning up lately with members of very young age (at least to me!), barely in their twenties, do you think the 'Big Five' like Genesis (along with their Neo clones), ELP, Pink Floyd, Yes and King Crimson hold heavy influence over their music? Or are other music groups like Radiohead, and other genres like Metal Core taking over that role? And what of former Doom metal goups like Anathama and Opeth? Do you feel they that they are filtering the 'Big Five' in their current sound, or treading their own paths with influences from other sources, including an evolution of their own?


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Almost everything new I hear reminds of the big five in one place or another.  Since these are the artists who established the nature of Prog, the influence is ubiquitous.  New artists have indeed moved on, but the roots remain the same.
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They should listen to King Crimson!  Their concert in Chicago on 26 Sept, 2014 was one of the best I'd ever seen (and I've seen the CTTE tour in '72, LTIA in '73, Relayer, TAAB etc. tours!)

This was Crimson's stage setup, THREE drummers!
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The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.
 
But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.
 
In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play.
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Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Almost everything new I hear reminds of the big five in one place or another.  Since these are the artists who established the nature of Prog, the influence is ubiquitous.  New artists have indeed moved on, but the roots remain the same.
 
^This.....
2 of my favorite newer bands are Astra and Wobbler and they have influence from KC, Yes, Floyd, and Genesis.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

They should listen to King Crimson!  Their concert in Chicago on 26 Sept, 2014 was one of the best I'd ever seen (and I've seen the CTTE tour in '72, LTIA in '73, Relayer, TAAB etc. tours!)

This was Crimson's stage setup, THREE drummers!

You sure now how to make a guy jealous, Charles! Cry So glad that you able to see them in such great form. Clap
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Points: 17496 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:02
^ Yea....I wanted to go see them in Seattle but a good reason kept me away...my daughter's wedding.
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^You should have done what I did and hired a KC cover band for the reception. Just kidding. Congratulations Jose. Clap
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Points: 7024 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:18
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

They should listen to King Crimson!  Their concert in Chicago on 26 Sept, 2014 was one of the best I'd ever seen (and I've seen the CTTE tour in '72, LTIA in '73, Relayer, TAAB etc. tours!)

This was Crimson's stage setup, THREE drummers!


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^You should have done what I did and hired a KC cover band for the reception. Just kidding. Congratulations Jose. Clap
 
Never.....it would have been a Rush cover band Big smile
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^Of course. What was I thinking? LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Of course. What was I thinking? LOL
 
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:31
Depends entirely on the band and the sound they're going for. It's interesting you pick Moon Safari as there sound is very heavily borrowed from Yes so I'd say the top bands of the early 70's definitely still hold a strong influence, even if it is occasionally filtered, but at the same time the breadth of influence is just going to grow the more time passes.  
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to this topic. I find it tepid and insincere.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.
 
But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.
 
In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play.

bands not lead by a keyboard player are unlikely to be influenced by ELP to be fair

prog bands I know that are influenced by ELP can be counted on the fingers of one hand

Triumvirat (Germany)
Le Orme (Italy)
Par Lindh Project (Swedish)
Ars Nova (Japan)
Mastermind (USA)

only one per country allowed?!LOL
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


The one band I don't hear "new" bands talk about is ELP. Of course the two albums they generally know about is Tarkus and BSS. Greg Lake probably gets more mentioned due to his KC days and Asia success.
 
But prog bands will always make mention of a few of the 4-6 top influential progressive bands and they have their individual influences also.
 
In liner notes of Riverside albums drummer Piotr Kozieradzki and guitarist Piotr Grudzinski mention bands like Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Rush. Keyboardist Michal Lapaj mentions Jordan Rudess......makes sense based on the type of music they play.

Greg Lake's Asia success?
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Points: 20497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2014 at 14:39
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to this topic. I find it tepid and insincere.
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Points: 2673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2014 at 14:49
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

to this topic. I find it tepid and insincere.


What can we do to make it not so?


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