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    Posted: October 24 2014 at 08:26
Jokingly refered to as Tull's metal album for copping a metal Grammy (over Metallica) or snarked as a Tull's Dire Straits wanabe album, whats your take on Crest of a Knave?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2014 at 08:41
I liked it a lot when it came out, but it hasn't aged very well for me. It really does sound a bit like a mid 80s Dire Straits album, which isn't a bad thing in itself.  I think "Farm on the Freeway" has a lot going for it - a prog throwback kind of number with classic flute stylings and multiple sections. It was my favorite track on the album, along with "Jump Start".  Both of them sound a tad cheesy to me today, however.  I kind of liked the synth-pop tracks too, like "Steel Monkey" and "Dogs in the Midwinter".  But "Budapest" and "Said She Was a Dancer" are Dullsville.   I think "Mountain Men" was too, but I can't remember how that one goes.

Overall, a pretty good album, and the last Jethro Tull album I really cared about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2014 at 08:45
Compared to their earlier stuff, pretty bad. None of their 80s albums were that great though, but this is probably the best one from that era. No idea how it won the Metal Grammy award, but I guess it was a pretty poor year for music, and at least it beat Jane's Addiction...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2014 at 10:02
I'll spin it once or twice a year, always a good listen for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2014 at 11:12
I also liked it quite a lot when it came out, but I have always said that the mark of a truly good album is how regularly it is played. I haven't played this for at least ten years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2014 at 12:37
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Jokingly refered to as Tull's metal album for copping a metal Grammy (over Metallica) or snarked as a Tull's Dire Straits wanabe album, whats your take on Crest of a Knave?


It has some decent tracks on it and not bad for a disappearing act of 2 or 3 years from the band prior to it's release. The wanabe aspect unfortunately developed from the obvious Dire Straits sound. I don't hate the album, but a few songs I can do without. BTW, "Farm On The Freeway" and "Living In The Past" drawn from the Tower Theatre Philadelphia performance on the  20 Years Anniversary box set are most enjoyable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2014 at 04:44
To be precise it was given a Grammy for best Hard Rock or Heavy Metal performance.

I don't care what category it was in. It to me was/is a great album. Anderson had to come to terms with his vocal cord problems and wrote a "comeback" album that made people take notice.

Effing genius that Mr Anderson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2014 at 10:55
I listened to the hell out of this one when it was brand new. Overall, it's a very good Tull album. "Farm On The Freeway," "Dogs In The Midwinter" (which was the "CD bonus track" back then, along with "The Waking Edge") and "Mountain Men" are the songs I like best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2014 at 16:23

Waking edge, Part of the machine and Farm on the freeway are the good ones

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2014 at 18:18
I haven't listened to this album for years. I have the LP of it, nice cover. I listen to Rock Island more.
CoaK is rather smooth, mellow, does remind me of Dire Straits, but I think Knopfler wanted a Martin Barre sound to his guitar, not the other way round :-) Ian can sound Knopfler-ish. Maybe DS sounds like Tull ??!! I might have to give the album a spin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2014 at 18:41
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Waking edge, Part of the machine and Farm on the freeway are the good ones

 
"Part of the Machine" is the other really good one, but it wasn't included on the album until the 2005 remaster. It was only available on the box set, otherwise I would've mentioned it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2014 at 09:58
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I haven't listened to this album for years. I have the LP of it, nice cover. I listen to Rock Island more.
CoaK is rather smooth, mellow, does remind me of Dire Straits, but I think Knopfler wanted a Martin Barre sound to his guitar, not the other way round :-) Ian can sound Knopfler-ish. Maybe DS sounds like Tull ??!! I might have to give the album a spin.
The DS influence is also in Anderson's 'talky' lyrics and song structures.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2014 at 11:11
They should have toured together as DireTull. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2014 at 16:51
^ Nah, Jethro Straits
The long piece, Budapest, is the real Straits-sounding tune here, very subtle for a mini-epic. Modelled on the structure of Telegraph Road perhaps ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2014 at 12:50
Has some decent tracks......never understood the Grammy metal win and Ian Anderson is very proud of Budapest but to me it's not as good as many of the  earlier songs he wrote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2014 at 20:55
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I listened to the hell out of this one when it was brand new. Overall, it's a very good Tull album. "Farm On The Freeway," "Dogs In The Midwinter" (which was the "CD bonus track" back then, along with "The Waking Edge") and "Mountain Men" are the songs I like best.
 
I need to revise my earlier post: "Budapest" is the song I should cite, not "Mountain Men" (which I still like). I gave this album a spin today. Overall, it's a very good Tull album, with a couple bumps in the road ("Said She Was A Dancer," "The Waking Edge."). I think Ian sings well, though he's reining himself in due to his voice being shot after the Under Wraps tour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2014 at 22:07
It's like country music meets Dire Straits, if you get my meaning. I liked it when I first heard it, but like others have said, it hasn't aged well. Now I'm indifferent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 02:06
It's folk you hear, not country. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 07:27
Couldn't understand the marketing of it then and now.  It had an anti-Tull sound, too tinny with too much reverb and - as someone above mentioned - too "Dire Straits".....and it had a pronounced guitar sound that just didn't sound like Tull. 
 
Then again, my love for Tull ended when they dropped the blues after the second album.  A very casual fan after that (though, for some strange reason, I love the Too Old and War Child albums).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 10:07
If I hear Steel Monkey, I don't want to hear any more. If I remember to skip that abomination, most of the rest is OK and a few bits are good.

But it should NEVER have been considered for a Grammy - not in a million years.
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