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    Posted: November 03 2014 at 13:08
Prog rock has become formulaic like most musical genres that have standard musical motifs like The Blues and Rock 'n' Roll, which causes groups like Opeth to switch gears away from their roots. However, prog's name lends itself to being an oxymoron at times. Are you happy with prog's 'musical formula' or would you rather hear true progression in Progressive Rock music?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 13:24
I think every band should sound the same, and only one person per country should be allowed to write songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 13:27
i am always seeking the new, different etc.  which i think led all of us to this music.  i think there is alot of derivative and formulaic stuff, i just dont listen to it. 

there are a lot of bands that want to be Yes, if i want that i listen to Yes. Same with Genesis (though I don't really ever want that).

so, its derivative and formulaic if you want, but also rich veins for those of us that don't

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 13:33
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Prog rock has become formulaic like most musical genres that have standard musical motifs like The Blues and Rock 'n' Roll, which causes groups like Opeth to switch gears away from their roots. However, prog's name lends itself to being an oxymoron at times. Are you happy with prog's 'musical formula' or would you rather hear true progression in Progressive Rock music?
IMHO, there's not such a thing as one "prog's muscial formula", there's actually a music what "we" ( fans, journalists, audience in general) acctepted as the progressive rock with all of its styles as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 14:44
1.  Find good music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 15:17
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Prog rock has become formulaic like most musical genres that have standard musical motifs like The Blues and Rock 'n' Roll, which causes groups like Opeth to switch gears away from their roots. However, prog's name lends itself to being an oxymoron at times. Are you happy with prog's 'musical formula' or would you rather hear true progression in Progressive Rock music?



How does prog's name lend itself to being an oxymoron?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 15:53
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Prog rock has become formulaic like most musical genres that have standard musical motifs like The Blues and Rock 'n' Roll, which causes groups like Opeth to switch gears away from their roots. However, prog's name lends itself to being an oxymoron at times. Are you happy with prog's 'musical formula' or would you rather hear true progression in Progressive Rock music?



How does prog's name lend itself to being an oxymoron?

its a style but style itself is not progressive because that is akin to fashion and 'fashion is the cancer of music' ( who said that?)

For me if music is well composed and well played and well produced and has some emotion then that does me ta very much.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 15:58
I reject the presumption that prog rock has become formulaic.
 
True, some new bands have similar sounds to old bands, but that doesn't indicate a formula.
 
A high pitch male vocal does not usually mean a Yes imitation.
An arpeggiated keyboard solo does not usually mean a Genesis imitation.
A flute solo does not usually mean a Jethro Tull imitation.
A cranky guitarist on a stool does not usually mean a King Crimson imitation.
 
Sure, some music sounds similar to something that's been recorded before.  When you are dealing with guitar/bass/drums/keyboards/vocals, that's going to happen.  But it does not mean that there is a formula.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 16:31
Prog may have become formulaic and stale, but progressive music is alive and well. A lot of what really floats my musical boat these days is very different from classic prog (which has become a genre with a whole set of rules), but is undeniably fresh, exciting and innovative in the same way prog was back in the Seventies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 17:55
For starters, "Prog Rock" is indeed a peculiar oxymoron, if you want to split hairs. Rock music as a genre rests on three pillars: a 4/4 time signature, the verse & chorus structure and predictable chord progressions. If you deviate from these mooring points, you'll get something that doesn't sound like rock. 

It's like the passenger car is defined as a motor vehicle with 4 wheels and a unibody. Attempts have been made to make "cars" with 3 wheels, but they don't look or drive like cars (and are "trikes" in the DMV eyes); if a modern vehicle rides on a frame, it's usually a pickup truck or a large SUV. And so forth.

So, let rock be where it is. It's doing just fine. 

The genre we now call "prog" didn't even evolve directly or solely from rock. IMO, the best prog has most of its roots in post-swing jazz, post-baroque classical and contemporary experimental music. 

I am not sure about the upper- vs. lower case. Make it ALL CAPS, just for the heck of it :)

   





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 18:50
I stil think there are more rocks to turn in the progression/evolution of rock (Music)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 19:14
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

1.  Find good music.
2.  Listen to it.
 
Consise and to the point....
 
Progressive is what it is (irregeardless of lower or upper case P), but progressive will suffice, it's music and when it's good it's great, when it's not we will call it Genesis, still good, just not great,,
 
But Padraics point is true, I love great music irregardless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 20:39
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

1.  Find good music.
2.  Listen to it.


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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Prog may have become formulaic and stale, but progressive music is alive and well. A lot of what really floats my musical boat these days is very different from classic prog (which has become a genre with a whole set of rules), but is undeniably fresh, exciting and innovative in the same way prog was back in the Seventies.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 20:48
My problem with a lot of modern prog is that it sounds derivative and uninspired. Being unoriginal isn't a crime but it isn't all that interesting either. I can enjoy unoriginal music if it captures all the aspects I like about a genre, but most prog bands nowadays try to emulate the sound and style of prog but forget about the feeling and personality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 21:09
Originally posted by TradeMark0 TradeMark0 wrote:

My problem with a lot of modern prog is that it sounds derivative and uninspired. Being unoriginal isn't a crime but it isn't all that interesting either. I can enjoy unoriginal music if it captures all the aspects I like about a genre, but most prog bands nowadays try to emulate the sound and style of prog but forget about the feeling and personality.


I'd suggest you check out the sub genres that aren't symph, neo, crossover or eclectic, there's loads of original music being released.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 22:34
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by TradeMark0 TradeMark0 wrote:

My problem with a lot of modern prog is that it sounds derivative and uninspired. Being unoriginal isn't a crime but it isn't all that interesting either. I can enjoy unoriginal music if it captures all the aspects I like about a genre, but most prog bands nowadays try to emulate the sound and style of prog but forget about the feeling and personality.


I'd suggest you check out the sub genres that aren't symph, neo, crossover or eclectic, there's loads of original music being released.
what sub genres would you recommend?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 22:55
Originally posted by TradeMark0 TradeMark0 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by TradeMark0 TradeMark0 wrote:

My problem with a lot of modern prog is that it sounds derivative and uninspired. Being unoriginal isn't a crime but it isn't all that interesting either. I can enjoy unoriginal music if it captures all the aspects I like about a genre, but most prog bands nowadays try to emulate the sound and style of prog but forget about the feeling and personality.


I'd suggest you check out the sub genres that aren't symph, neo, crossover or eclectic, there's loads of original music being released.
what sub genres would you recommend?

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