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Poll Question: Does Neo Prog sound cheesy to you?
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10 [14.29%]
17 [24.29%]
18 [25.71%]
19 [27.14%]
1 [1.43%]
4 [5.71%]
1 [1.43%]
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I hate being mean to any artists, except perhaps those who foster
a spirit of nihilism or darkness in their music.  I'm listening to 
"Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear" (1983) for the first time and getting
through all of it, I'm just about done.  It's just background music
at work.  I'm struck by how exactly it is like Genesis from ten
years previous, with maybe a touch of post-Gabriel Genesis thrown 
in.  I think maybe it's meant to be a little like Dr. Who, a little
bit campy?   Dr. Who was that way on purpose, does Marillion
bring a sense of humor to their work?  The ultimate neo-prog
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I've tried and tried to get into this genre, I'd estiamte that less than 10% of what I hear would I ever want to hear again. Several of the poll statements are relevant but I choose...

"Not so much cheesy as not bringing anything new to the table"

as the MOST applicable
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As with Prog Metal, I find a lot of cheese here but it is of a tastier variety.
The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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I'm not really a "customer" of neo, so I have a very limited knowledge of it. Sometimes I'm in the mood for some of that stuff, though, and I'm well aware that Collins Genesis (which I love) is a key influence on that stuff.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2014 at 17:48
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:


Hey if you don't like it no one is forcing you to vote let alone make unnecessary comments that don't add to the discussion.

Unfortunately, no one is forcing you to create negative, disparaging polls. But still you do.
 
Negative? Well I'm just asking for people's opinion. It's funny and ironic that you are accusing me of being negative though. Is it your plan to fight my negativity with your own?
Just expressing my opinion. Polls that have negative leading questions and disparaging poll options cannot be anything but negative. Somehow I cannot imagine that you would start a Poll with "Does Symphonic Prog sound boring to you?", or "Does Relayer sound like a cacophonous noise to you?" 

There are ways to canvas opinion that do not start from a negative stance, this is not one of them.
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Points: 24391 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2014 at 18:14
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

We should be bashing the pap currently in style (and since 1990 in my opinion) but you know what? Silence is the greatest form of contempt. Big smile


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Though I am not particularly interested in neo-prog, nor particularly thrilled by what I have heard, there are a lot of people who enjoy the subgenre. Variety is, after all, the spice of life! I feel no need to bash something that doesn't float my boat: I just ignore it, and listen to what I like.

In any case, I voted for "not so much cheesy, as not bringing anything new to the table".
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Can I have your attention?......or do I have to start a poll
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Can I have your attention?......or do I have to start a poll
 
et tu timothy, you have my undivided att.....hey a smily face in the corner of my eye
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[There are ways to canvas opinion that do not start from a negative stance, this is not one of them.]
 
Seriously, why do you even care? I suggest you take your own advice before you reprimand me. Can't you express yourself in a way that doesn't bait people and put them on the defensive? Anyway, my polls are only negative if you are making the assumption that "cheese" has to be a negative thing. Otherwise it's up to those who respond and or vote in the poll and not you or I to make assumptions about the term "cheesy." I only used the word "cheesy" because I have heard other people use the term as it is applied to prog metal and neo prog. Therefore please do not make assumptions about my intentions in creating this poll!!!!
 
Your negative comments about my supposed negative polls are hypocritical to say the least.


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Neo, cheesy? Of course and that's the way I like it!
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My favorite is........Primus.....Sailing the Seas of Cheese
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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Neo, cheesy? Of course and that's the way I like it!
 
 
Alright. Nothing wrong with that. See if I thought cheesy had to be a bad thing I would get all pissed off at this kind of comment but I'm not because I welcome these kinds of comments. Smile


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Anything with narrative sounds cheesy to me ie some Rick Wakeman and Kayak albums , but I love them nevertheless. Neo Prog like IQ has never sounded cheesy to me. Neo Prog has a lower cheese factor because of the shorter songs and less reliance on obscure overly theatrical concepts that some symphonic bands indulge in. ie Glass Hammer who I also love. So really I couldn't care less as long as the music is entertaining and absorbing.


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Funny because I actually like spoken word in prog. I even like it in Rick Wakeman's "journey to the center of the earth." However, I do admit it sounds cheesy on the one track on Eloy's "power and the passion" album. I still like that track though.
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Eloy? Cheesy?

NOW I'M VERY ANGRY AND I FEEL THE URGE TO CRUSH SOMEONE'S FACE ON THE WALL RIGHT NOW


Damn, this is totally ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:


[There are ways to canvas opinion that do not start from a negative stance, this is not one of them.]
 
Seriously, why do you even care? I suggest you take your own advice before you reprimand me. Can't you express yourself in a way that doesn't bait people and put them on the defensive? Anyway, my polls are only negative if you are making the assumption that "cheese" has to be a negative thing. Otherwise it's up to those who respond and or vote in the poll and not you or I to make assumptions about the term "cheesy." I only used the word "cheesy" because I have heard other people use the term as it is applied to prog metal and neo prog. Therefore please do not make assumptions about my intentions in creating this poll!!!!
 
Your negative comments about my supposed negative polls are hypocritical to say the least.
LOL It is not hypocritical to register my disapproval of two polls created in 3 minutes of each other that refer to two subgenres of music as "cheesy". 

If you want to put a positive spin on the word "cheesy" then that's just cool, but that would make my initial remark in this thread positive too.

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Points: 6253 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2014 at 01:21
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Eloy? Cheesy?

NOW I'M VERY ANGRY AND I FEEL THE URGE TO CRUSH SOMEONE'S FACE ON THE WALL RIGHT NOW


Damn, this is totally ridiculous.
 
hahahaha!!!! I cannot stop laughing now, Barbu hahaha!!!! LOL so funny Hug
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[It is not hypocritical to register my disapproval of two polls created in 3 minutes of each other that refer to two subgenres of music as "cheesy". ]
 
Sure, you can pretend that's what I was referring to why not. We can also pretend you are a happy positive person on here who only has nice things to say in threads. Smile 
 
[If you want to put a positive spin on the word "cheesy" then that's just cool, but that would make my initial remark in this thread positive too.]
 
I wasn't putting any spin on it. YOU WERE! 
 
Anyway, I am done with our conversation here.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

[It is not hypocritical to register my disapproval of two polls created in 3 minutes of each other that refer to two subgenres of music as "cheesy". ]
 
Sure, you can pretend that's what I was referring to why not. We can also pretend you are a happy positive person on here who only has nice things to say in threads. Smile
 
[If you want to put a positive spin on the word "cheesy" then that's just cool, but that would make my initial remark in this thread positive too.]
 
I wasn't putting any spin on it. YOU WERE!
 
 
 
 
Okay, you've turned this into a personal attack. I'll take your criticism and brickbats on the chin and walk away.
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Hey I'm just defending myself here. You started the attacks not me just so you know.

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