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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 04:36
Prog has entered some phase, like many other genres, where it has its distinct group of followers.
Sort of like classical music and jazz, but those genres are much bigger.
Prog is a small subrenge within the wide range of rock music.
Prog will be here for a very long time, though, and it will keep on rejuvenating itself for a a long time, I think.
It will just not be popular by the majority of the music listeners, that's all.
And bands would play it next to their day time jobs, I suppose, since, as richardh correctly signaled, the buying audience is relatively old.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 04:47
Yeah just think of all those genre's that have become totally instinct like Beachsoul, Plummerrock, Silent jazz, Icelandic Boogie/swing and Traditional Antartic folk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 04:53
In my view, prog as we know it - i.e. a genre directly inspired by the great bands and artists of the late Sixties/early Seventies - will probably end when its original supporters die off. On the other hand, progressive music (rock and otherwise) is here to stay, even though it may remain a niche genre. The best music released in the past few years has only a tenuous link with the Seventies template, but clearly pushes the genre forward in a variety of ways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 06:10
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Well, most fans of modern electronic music I've met find Schulze and TD either too technologically primitive or too close to Krautrock and modern classical to be "real electronic music". The latter basically starts with Kraftwerk.
I respect your opinion, but in my opinion the Berlin School of electronic music is *in* again, and there's more and more Neo Berlin School artists and albums. For example, I find today this Neo Berlin School masterpiece that is released a three weeks ago by Spanish artist Javi Cánovas.
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 06:11
Thanks for the responses. Maybe it's true that the internet is keeping alive every genre, however small its community of followers is they can get together (virtually I mean) and keep their own musical micro-universe alive. Perhaps I am biased into thinking this about Prog because it's the only one I follow up Embarrassed.

The notion that the love for the 70's classic Prog will probably fade away when we the generation of original fans will be gone is also intriguing. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 06:34
I'm starting to wonder if the original progressive rock scene's selfconsciousness about being an "art movement" might be a reason it's now so exclusively associated with the late 1960s/early 1970s, because in the popular consciousness the style gets stuck as the product of a very specific cultural context. Same business with punk and the late 1970s/early 1980s.

Just because it's no longer a cultural phenomenon like in its heyday doesn't mean that there can't be interesting things going on for the rest of us, though. As much as the "punk is dead" thing has become a meme and it probably won't change a thing here in Western Europe (different situation in places like Eastern Europe or Latin America though) I'm friends with several people in that scene and around my neck of the woods bands like Night Fever or Piss Vortex are making some pretty good music.

Punk might benefit here from being splintered into a lot of isolated regional scenes to a higher degree than almost every other genre than folk music, though, so maybe it's not the best comparison. A lot of my favourite bands in modern progressive rock are very distantly descended from the 1960s/1970s sounds (e. g. Aluk Todolo) even though I also do like some throwbacks to that era. (e. g. Causa Sui)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 07:21
The Prog is manifest destiny.
The Might is Right.
They will be forced to GET DOWN ONNIT whether they want to or not.
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No honestly, in my neck of the woods -Leutonia Proper- I get the feeling everyone hates prog - no, that is not correct. No one is AWARE of prog. (It was always very difficult - for instance, for myself to find Canadian lp trade contacts. They all came from US or Europe.


Things like the currrent Italian prog scene are blooming like crazy - enough to rival the 70s - but that doesnt mean the overall genre itself is acheiving inmortality. It is nowhere near.

And Im glad.
When prog gets too big, it just means more noobs,more sharn-progs and one or two new pwog mastermen on the scene.

We current handful of prog mastermen need no competition. More prog mastermen on the face of the earth dilutes the honour.

You must regale me with the proper dignities and compete amongst yourselves to flatter Masterman Wallace. But when a new masterman comes on the scene - due to expansion of genre appreciation - that just dilutes the praise coming my way.

So then Wallace is content the "phenomenon" remains as it is today - a very small part of the total musical picture.


Pwog INmortality?
No thanks, sir.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 08:19
Yes, as with any form of music that ever had a significant audience it will live forever in the hearts of some people. Even that is only a small number of people it's still 'alive imo.

Judging by how many young people frequent this forum, I would say the future is reasobaly bright for prog rock. Long after the middle aged have gone, the young, or relatively young will still be listening and hopefully passing it on to their offspring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 08:32
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Well, most fans of modern electronic music I've met find Schulze and TD either too technologically primitive or too close to Krautrock and modern classical to be "real electronic music". The latter basically starts with Kraftwerk.
I respect your opinion, but in my opinion the Berlin School of electronic music is *in* again, and there's more and more Neo Berlin School artists and albums. For example, I find today this Neo Berlin School masterpiece that is released a three weeks ago by Spanish artist Javi Cánovas.


I can only speak from my own personal experience, in which people into Berlin School electronic music and similar styles usually tend to be more into classic psychedelic rock with their listening background informed by that genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 09:12
I agree that Prog will be long lasting BECAUSE of the devotion existing in the Prog community itself that.. appears to be an empire WITHIN itself. No one can deny that and there is evidence to prove it. I exchange demos with a few musicians in Europe and after conversing with these musicians...it's pretty evident that appreciation and interest in writing Prog remains a way of life on European shores...mean while..back on the ranch, America has suppressed it's "used to be popularity" and it has to do with the ex-amount of diverse in music crowds no longer having a reason to be interested in it. Tirill , who has recorded and performed with White Willow, has released music of her own, ..and tours in Europe..has informed me several times that the "scene", the devotion in Prog is more common in Norway. I got the impression that she meant more musicians living in the same town were just naturally interested IN Progressive Rock, ..and as a rule, got together to form Prog bands...so in that sense, it is more of a Prog scene than Amercia. 

Ron Geesin wrote me several times and sarcastically stated that he was just about as popular as me and I was sitting on the porch laughing so hard about the irony of the music business. The first time I heard his music it was in 1971 and I was 15 years old...and now it's 2014 and Ron Geesin's word you have to take as a teaching. We all realize what's going on with Prog in the real world, but when HE makes such statements, you begin to think about how important he was to the Progressive Rock movement and it really depresses me above and beyond. 

Patricia Dallio , keyboardist with Art Zoyd and solo artist has informed me of an underground progressive music scene that would be an option for me personally. Ultimately..I wish I had been born in Europe so I could STILL have some of the "hands on" experience I once had in the 70's Prog era. Maybe Europe isn't actually like Prog in the U.S. during the 70's as it remains to be part of an underground scene that developed in the early 70's..and was distributed by domestic labels for a brief time in the U.S.? .. that alone  gives us the knowledge that the Prog scene in Europe is still progressing today..like it did in the 70's. Univers Zero , Art Zoyd, Anglagard are all part of a different environment. The environment where Progressive Rock was invented. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 09:30

Music needs to be performed by either people, animals or nature.  Spending all day copy and pasting sound files on a computer from a folder filled with sound files is not music.  It's digital collage.  If you like playing video games that simulate car chases or war scenes... good for you.. but it's not driving a car or flying a medivac helicopter into a hot zone in Vietnam.  It's simulation.  Listening to computer electronica is like having sex based upon computer images.  You do that.. not me.  I prefer the real thing.  You like electronica and Prog? Same as you liking internet porn and real sex , but don't confuse the two.  Electronica is NOT music.  It digital collage of sound files.  It's ok to like it.. but you're being dumbed down by non musicians brainwashing you into thinking it's music.  It's not.
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Well, i guess the minute someone plugs in their guitar and amplifies it it is no longer music. Who do you think programs the computers and assembles the collages? Do the computers actually assemble the sounds randomly or is there a human involved? Just admit it that you don't like an entire genre based on your prejudice and leave it at that. But to come up with ridiculous blanket statements like this is laughable. On the contrary to being dumbed down i find certain electronica artists hightly progressive with incredibly original ideas but maybe i've been brainwashed into thinking so while i'm watching internet porn! Ha ha ha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 09:32
BTW relevant to the topic. Prog will never die as long as we don't destroy this planet we live on. It is only becoming more popular every day and even lifting other those other genres out of mediocrity. Viva la musica progressiva!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 09:35
I've only discovered some of those 70s artists in the last 5 years (the less popular ones) and i'm blown away. Good music is timeless and will be around 200 years from now and beyond just like Mozart, Beethoven and the Beatles. Even the smaller acts seem to get cult audiences.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 09:36
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Well, most fans of modern electronic music I've met find Schulze and TD either too technologically primitive or too close to Krautrock and modern classical to be "real electronic music". The latter basically starts with Kraftwerk.
I respect your opinion, but in my opinion the Berlin School of electronic music is *in* again, and there's more and more Neo Berlin School artists and albums. For example, I find today this Neo Berlin School masterpiece that is released a three weeks ago by Spanish artist Javi Cánovas.


I can only speak from my own personal experience, in which people into Berlin School electronic music and similar styles usually tend to be more into classic psychedelic rock with their listening background informed by that genre.


There's actually a great deal of Berlin School being produced nowadays, but then again nobody seems to listen to it. The folks into the genre seem more content with their old TD and Schulze records.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 10:15
To really answer this question, one has to look outside of a genre's history and the current trends of other musical genres to gauge the 'mortality' of those particular genres. Not easy when you're whole world is almost completely dependent or focused on prog.
 
Take electronic dance music for example. An 80/90's phenomenon that has had a renaissance with electronic music groups like Daft Punk and others that are riding this renewed gravy train.
 
So yes, I believe that prog has reached 'immortality' but not the same level as metal, country, hip hop and other genres.
 
These genres are all vampires in one form or another.
 
It's only the ones getting more blood or an unexpected infusion that will always be more noticeable.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 10:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 
 
Take electronic dance music for example. An 80/90's phenomenon that has had a renaissance with electronic music groups like Deft Punk and others that riding this renewed gravy train.
 


It's kinda funny when you think about it, because Daft Punk started out as a 'French House' act (yeah I know fancy-smancyLOL), but their newest from last year actually saw them progressing things quite a bit - even touching on prog on one occasion:


Strange to think that the track above is inspired by disco man Giorgio Moroder and still it ends up with something very very close to what modern prog bands currently are doing. (and no, I don't think they should be on PATongue)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 11:06
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

After a nuclear holocaust the only thing left will be cockroaches and capes.

In 40 years no-one will remember it

No - cockroaches and PE teachers will be the last survivors.

Of course, the cockroaches will be the dominant intellectuals.

And they will remember prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 11:20
Originally posted by Permy Permy wrote:



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Things like the currrent Italian prog scene are blooming like crazy - enough to rival the 70s - ....
 
 
It is just the first tiny waves of a second Prog's revolution tsunami starting hahahah LOL, I'm a romantic guy obviously. But I believe it will be somewhat like saying that much of the still surviving 'traditional art' will never die in many places around the world.
  
In countries like Italy for example, you will always see brand new bands getting inspiration from the prog scene of those 'golden years', as well as from other even more traditional music. Some excellent brand new italian bands have proved this, the history has proved this and is always proving that good music is timeless. Classical music is other good example - I'm enormously happy to know that, thanks to pioneering projects of some companies and institutions, this music has proved to be crescently been listened by youngstes in 'favela' communities of my city, some of them already have even learned to play very well with classical instruments thanks to the free courses offered by those projects. It's fantastic to see the funk and other 'parental' genres which reign absolutely amongst those places losing some space to other genres like classical music!Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 11:24
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I predict that we as a race of human beings will not be around on Earth in about 200 years due to the escalating environmental crisis on our planet. But civilisation I feel will still be existing in a rather feeble way in advanced space stations. To answer your question, prog will not die! It will still be apart from the mainstream as most of it is now, but there will still be a movement of listeners and musicians.
 
200 years? I'm not that optimistic hahah, but anyways perhaps prog will be a human fever contaminating other planet than ours. Wink


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