Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Top 10s and lists
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Bonus Tracks: Buried Treasures or Trash?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedBonus Tracks: Buried Treasures or Trash?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
Message
 Rating: Topic Rating: 1 Votes, Average 1.00  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
SteveG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
Status: Offline
Points: 20483
Direct Link To This Post Topic: Bonus Tracks: Buried Treasures or Trash?
    Posted: November 24 2014 at 10:22
Anyone still purchasing physical product like CDs and LPs will be quite familiar with the myriad of bonus tracks that are outtakes, alternate versions, demos and remixes. I have found some of it to be enlightening on pre digital age reissued LP's as there was not enough room to fit some excellent tracks on the records due to running time constraints. The others I have found to be gimmicky and of no particular use, except to show an artist having a bad idea for an arrangement or just having an off day at the studio.
What's your opinion on Bonus Tracks? 


Edited by SteveG - November 24 2014 at 15:16
Back to Top
LearsFool View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: November 09 2014
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 8617
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 11:15
I like the idea of them, I just find myself preferring them as part of rarities sets or on a bonus disc rather than tacked on the end of a CD reissue. Unless it's the rare case of a remix of an old album being a recut, I'd rather just have the original album on its own.

One interesting example is the version of Dinosaur Jr's Green Mind that appears on Youtube. I don't know if it was a stroke of crazed genius on the part of the people behind the 2006 reissue, or just something the uploader did that's awesome, but there are three bonus tracks on the '06 reissue, and on that video they are placed before the original album proper. It's an amazing effect. The first of the tracks is an excellent opener, and the third and final of them fades out perfectly to then welcome the original opening sequence.
Back to Top
presdoug View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8070
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 11:41
I quite like them. If the group is interesting enough to me, they are a fascinating window into the band that I am usually very greatful to have. Especially totally unreleased tracks and rare singles are a delight!
Back to Top
snowsnow View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 09 2011
Location: Belper, England
Status: Offline
Points: 555
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 11:44
Depends who is doing them.

Bands like Tull or Caravan have done some decent ones. But more is certainly not better.

The efforts from Yes, probably my fav band, can be frankly dire. The numerous ones on Tormato (Rhino) make a disappointing album even poorer.
And Going for the One should always end on Awaken - which is a fantastic high to end the album - not rehearsal tracks/ early versions/studio run throughout (IMHO)
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 26108
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 14:40
I think I have to agree with that last comment. On TFTO you now have the first three pieces on one disc and Ritual + Bonus tracks on Disc Two which just isn't right at all.
 
However I quite like some bonus tracks in the right place. For instance the NME sampler disc inc the tracks Brain Salad Surgery and When The Apple Blossom Blooms are bonus tracks on one of the Brain Salad Surgery reissues. That makes sense.
Back to Top
HolyMoly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: April 01 2009
Location: Atlanta
Status: Offline
Points: 26133
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 14:54
I hate "alternate versions", they're usually a waste of space.  However, sometimes bonus tracks will include either non-album singles or unreleased songs, and those are great.  Some of those early Kinks albums would be total mediocrities without them bonus tracks.
My other avatar is a Porsche

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

-Kehlog Albran
Back to Top
Walton Street View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 24 2014
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 872
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 14:59
haven't heard many that I really dug-
they're interesting - but not fun.
Back to Top
fudgenuts64 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 17 2013
Location: NY
Status: Offline
Points: 470
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 15:45
Some can be great... mainly referring to B-sides. In terms of stuff that was just flat out unreleased, Marillion had some interesting ones during the Fish era remasters.
Back to Top
Rednight View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 18 2014
Location: Mar Vista, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 4807
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 17:50
I can take them or leave them. I mean, think about it. There's usually good reason why they're bonus tracks in the first place. Most border on awful or being light-weight. One band that comes to mind is ELO. Outside of that medley they did with tracks from Eldorado, their bonus stuff is usually flat and uninteresting.
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 14981
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 18:14
The Tull remasters, which added tracks originally unveiled on the 20 Years boxset, are good examples. The eight bonus songs from the Broadsword sessions are good ones. "Part Of The Machine" makes Crest Of A Knave, already an underrated album, a slightly better one. Songs From The Wood is already perfect, but it's great to have more of it ("Beltane") and I don't mind a live version of my favorite song on that album ("Velvet Green") one bit.
Back to Top
Finnforest View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 03 2007
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 16913
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 18:39
I'm an album guy so I like the reissues to be just the album as it was released.  I play the bonus stuff once if it looks interesting, but after that I eject the CD as soon as the regular album is over.  I think most of it is pretty tedious.

Some notable exceptions would be early Kate Bush demos which I love, the stuff that Gilmour heard her play and the outtakes from the first two albums.  There is a pretty sweet Heart version of Stairway that was added to Little Queen.  And on Rumours, they corrected the bonehead decision Lindsey and Mick made to pull Silver Springs off in favor of "I don't want to Know".  Stevie was horrified.  So Silver Springs is back on Rumours where it was supposed to be. 

Here is one of those early Kate songs that I love....don't be too hard on her, she was only 14.  Also includes a lovely photo montage of Kate as a child. 



Back to Top
SteveG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
Status: Offline
Points: 20483
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 19:23
^Wow, Finn. That's a great track for a 14 year old. Thanks for sharing.
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
Back to Top
Metalmarsh89 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 15 2013
Location: Oregon, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2673
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2014 at 20:23
I agree with the others. It's very hit or miss.

I don't care for the majority of Yes' bonus tracks, though that's the only way I was able to acquire the single "America" easily. But the studio run-throughs don't do much for me. Just more Yessongs on my computer.

I really enjoy Dream Theater and Transatlantic including cover songs as bonus tracks, as well as instrumental versions of DT's songs. I'm sure some people don't care for such things, but I'm happy to have them.

King Crimson is hit-or-miss. On the Steven Wilson remasters, I like having the original versions of a couple of the songs, but I'd prefer they were included in the original format of the album. The live tracks on SaBB are great. The alternate versions of Sleepless on ToaPP are good. But some of the other alternate versions, not so much. Speaking of Steven Wilson, I prefer the bonus disc of The Sky Moves Sideways over the main album. Combing the epic into one track and adding Moonloop. I love it.

As someone else said, Jethro Tull has some great stuff. Live version of Thick as a Brick, the extras on Songs from the Wood are prime examples.


So yeah, some are good, some aren't necessary in my eyes. In the end, I won't complain about free music though.
Want to play mafia? Visit here.
Back to Top
chopper View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: July 13 2005
Location: Essex, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 19942
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 08:29
Generally they're ok for a listen out of historical interest but I rarely play them more than that. The stuff on the latest Led Zep remasters is a case in point - Ramble On with no guitar solos? Moby Dick with no drum solo? 
Back to Top
Walton Street View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 24 2014
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 872
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 08:38
they are interesting in the way that deleted scenes from a movie are interesting.
you get to see the choices for the edits and as a rule they are spot on.
 
as a kid I thought bands wrote 10 songs and threw them on an album... as I got older I realized that the composition and order of songs on an album are very important.
Some bonus tracks I've heard are jarring compared to the flow of the original album and clearly they didn't belong there.
 
Occasionally you hear something cool (some are released as singles) but for the most part they are just not up to snuff and the option to leave them off of the album was the right one.
 
So again - I appreciate them as a way to gain insight to what happens behind the scenes but I haven't found a lot I cared for musically.
 
glaring personal exception for me is Junior's Farm - PM and Wings
Back to Top
RoeDent View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: September 08 2009
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 850
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 09:11
With bonus tracks added to the end of an album reissue, I always stop the CD after the original album is over. Sometimes I'll listen to the tracks on another occasion, but to me The Album is the original tracks in the original order and nothing else.
Back to Top
Moogtron III View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 26 2005
Location: Belgium
Status: Offline
Points: 10616
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 09:29
Like others said: it depends...
Caravan is a band which has quite some good extra tracks.

Most of the times, it's a mix of interesting and not interesting.
I'm not interested in a hit single edit, but some extra material that just didn't make it on the record...
Back to Top
Guldbamsen View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23098
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 10:00
Yep it depends!

These two are among my fave tracks from the albums they're listed on:

Kindermörderlied from the 2007 cd release of Amon Düül ll's Wolf City.

SBB's Odejscie from Ze slowem biegne... that later on turned into the album Slovenian Girls is quite simply brilliant. Far better than the subsequent album imo.


“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams
Back to Top
dr wu23 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 22 2010
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 20451
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 10:13
It's always a ....bonus,  but it' s nice when they are unreleased tracks and not just demos or reworked songs that were on the albums before.
 
Big smile
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2014 at 11:10
Bonuses harm the very good albums and sometimes save the least good.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.227 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.